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Tulsa man killed by neighbor who called him 'dirty Arab'

jmotivator said:
Well, first, Loughner was anti-religion, not Christian. James Holmes was not religious before the Aurora shootings and has converted to Islam in prison and now claims that the Aurora shooting was his Jihad. So yeah... you apparently can't even make a list of supposed Christian shooters without including Muslims....

Second, killing in the name of Jesus is hypocritical while killing in the name of Allah is following scripture.
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Loughner was a tea party christian. Being a christian is a pre requisite to joining the tea party. Holmes was a christian when he committed a crime. Holmes might have converted. I don't know. Still doesn't invalidate his christian beliefs when he committed the crime.
 
99percenter said:
Nice spin. McVeigh was a conservative catholic who attended mass weekly with his christian father. He had a priest perform his last rites. Sorry you don't get to label Christians that commit heinous crimes as atheists. There is no evidence he was an atheist. Muslims have to own all there terrorists scumbags. So should Christians.
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You might want to do some reading.

McVeigh, and his family were secular Catholics whose church attendance was limited to some Easter and some Christmas masses. In addition, his parents were suspected to have participated in 'swinging' on one occasion- hardly and indicator of religious fundamentalists.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Terrorist-Timothy-McVeigh-Oklahoma/dp/0060394072

Also, I don't think McVeigh had any last rites. Rather, he simply permitted Catholic prayers to be read at his funeral. Your analysis of the importance of last rites as being indicative of being a religious conservative is also incomplete.

McVeigh also did not have a last confession (even if he did not view his crime as being sinful, he had other sins that needed confession), nor did he take the Eucharist for the last time. This raises the question of whether or not he had these sacraments as a child. Many secular Catholics do not.
99percenter said:
Being a christian is a pre requisite to joining the tea party. .
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Wrong and way wrong.
 
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Cryptic said:
You might want to do some reading. McVeigh, and his family were secular Catholics whose church attendance was limited to some Easters and some Christmas masses. In addition, his parents were suspected to have participated in 'swinging' on one occasion- hardly indicators of being religious fundamentalists.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Terrorist-Timothy-McVeigh-Oklahoma/dp/0060394072

Also, I don't think McVeigh had any last rites. Rather, he simply permitted Catholic prayers to be read at his funeral.
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I also no many muslims that don't follow their religion perfectly. I have a friend who is muslim but eats non halal meats and drinks like crazy. Still he is a very conservative anti israel muslim. If you want to be technical almost all catholics are violating there religion when they use birth control and have extra marital sex.
 
99percenter said:
I also no many muslims that don't follow their religion perfectly. I have a friend who is muslim but eats non halal meats and drinks like crazy. Still he is a very conservative anti israel muslim. If you want to be technical almost all catholics are violating there religion when they use birth control and have extra marital sex.
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Being anti Israel is a political belief, not a religious belief- so having it is not necessarily indicative that he is a conservative muslim. Face it, McVeigh was not religiously motivated. Rather, he was politically motivated.
 
Cryptic said:
Being anti Israel is a political belief, not a religious belief- so having it is not necessarily indicative that he is a conservative muslim. Face it, McVeigh was not religiously motivated. Rather, he was politically motivated.
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His religion influenced his conservatism which led to him becoming a christian terrorist. Face facts. He is a christian terrorist or a terrorist who happens to be christian. When we talk about islam there is no distinction. Same should be true about christian terrorists like mcveigh.
 
99percenter said:
His religion influenced his conservatism which led to him becoming a christian terrorist. Face facts. He is a christian terrorist or a terrorist who happens to be christian. When we talk about islam there is no distinction. Same should be true about christian terrorists like mcveigh.
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That is a long stretch to make in order to not admit you may be mistaken on motives.

It reminds me of how the right uses the fact Obama as a little child once attended a Muslin run school and Obama has stepped inside a mosque so that in indisputable proof he is really a Muslim
Do you have any interviews or audio clips that McVeigh declared he did those acts in the name of his God? Did McVeigh declare his allegiance, support, or claim he did the deads in the name of any fundamental Christian group?
 
NonoBadDog said:
Sorry that this family has lost someone to a hateful idiot.

That article is horribly written.
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Why was the article horribly written? It seemed very detailed to me, and showed a family that had been repeatedly let down by the system, even as they had continued to do everything the system required of them to get relief and protection.
 
99percenter said:
Loughner was a tea party christian. Being a christian is a pre requisite to joining the tea party. Holmes was a christian when he committed a crime. Holmes might have converted. I don't know. Still doesn't invalidate his christian beliefs when he committed the crime.
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No, Loughner was not a Christian nor was he in the Tea Party. And no, being Christian isn't a pre-requisite for being in the Tea Party.

Maybe you are thinking of the reported link between James Holmes and the Tea Party that was later rescinded when they found out that the news media had all found the wrong James Holmes on Facebook.
 
Sounds like your basic redneck angry POS. They are emboldened by their leader.
 
jmotivator said:
No, Loughner was not a Christian nor was he in the Tea Party. And no, being Christian isn't a pre-requisite for being in the Tea Party.

Maybe you are thinking of the reported link between James Holmes and the Tea Party that was later rescinded when they found out that the news media had all found the wrong James Holmes on Facebook.
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OK. Let's go by what we know. They both had christian names. Jared loughner and john holmes. If a dude named ahmed similar to loughner and holmes blew up a theater or shot a liberal congresswoman, he would automatcially be labeled an islamic terrorists before we even know he practiced islam. We have to do the same for loughner and holmes. they have christian names so they are christian and therefore christian terrorists.
 
99percenter said:
OK. Let's go by what we know. They both had christian names. Jared loughner and john holmes. If a dude named ahmed similar to loughner and holmes blew up a theater or shot a liberal congresswoman, he would automatcially be labeled an islamic terrorists before we even know he practiced islam. We have to do the same for loughner and holmes. they have christian names so they are christian and therefore christian terrorists.
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Are you effing serious? I guess Christopher Hitchens, having a Christian name, must have been Christian? Also, that Richard Dawkins guy... he must be Christian as well... :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
Are you effing serious? I guess Christopher Hitchens, having a Christian name, must have been Christian? Also, that Richard Dawkins guy... he must be Christian as well... :roll:
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They are self professed atheists. We don't know about loughner and holmes so we have to assume they are christian until proven otherwise. I would have assumed stalin is eastern orthodox and mao is buddhist if I didn't know they were atheists.
 
99percenter said:
OK. Let's go by what we know. They both had christian names. Jared loughner and john holmes. If a dude named ahmed similar to loughner and holmes blew up a theater or shot a liberal congresswoman, he would automatcially be labeled an islamic terrorists before we even know he practiced islam. We have to do the same for loughner and holmes. they have christian names so they are christian and therefore christian terrorists.
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that's moronic. Loughner was an atheist. You once claimed he was a member of the tea party-which of course, was a lie. You claimed he was a republican-which was a lie. Other than a few turds who have attacked abortion centers, there have been almost no cases of people engaging in homicidal terrorism based on "Christianity" but there are thousands of dead americans murdered by jihadists. Not just the WTC but San Bernardino, the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, the USS Cole etc
 
TurtleDude said:
that's moronic. Loughner was an atheist. You once claimed he was a member of the tea party-which of course, was a lie. You claimed he was a republican-which was a lie. Other than a few turds who have attacked abortion centers, there have been almost no cases of people engaging in homicidal terrorism based on "Christianity" but there are thousands of dead americans murdered by jihadists. Not just the WTC but San Bernardino, the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, the USS Cole etc
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There is no evidence he was an atheist but he was a confirmed teabagger.
 
99percenter said:
There is no evidence he was an atheist but he was a confirmed teabagger.
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NO EVIDENCE LOL, this is coming from a guy who spent hours claiming Loughner was a member of the tea party which is something you made up since there was ZERO evidence of that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

Loughner has been described as an atheist by those who knew him.[55][56]

Loughner declined to state his religion in his Army application. In his "Final Thoughts" video, Loughner stated, "No, I don't trust in God!", in reference to the official motto of the United States printed on US coins and US paper currency, "In God We Trust". He expressed a dislike for all religions, and he was particularly critical of Christians
 
Rico Suave said:
Yup we have a big problem with Christian terrorists that is going unreported...
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This is not terrorism it is technically a hate crime. A hate crime is committed against differing races, religions, groups etc. Terrorism is the use of fear and violence to bring about political and social change.

Wrong is wrong but atleast get your definitions and accusations right.
 
99percenter said:
There is no evidence he was an atheist but he was a confirmed teabagger.
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you were asked several times to claim that Loughner was a member of the tea party (there is no evidence he was homosexual or practiced the fetish known as "tea bagging") You never were able to do that -instead you figured that repeating that same lie over and over would cause the slow witted to believe it

that you were unable to prove it and continue to say it means you are lying.
 
99percenter said:
They are self professed atheists. We don't know about loughner and holmes so we have to assume they are christian until proven otherwise. I would have assumed stalin is eastern orthodox and mao is buddhist if I didn't know they were atheists.
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HAHAHAHA!!! No, we don't have to assume anything. Loughner's personal statements were anti-religion. Holmes was not religious until converting to Islam.

We can assume that you don't know what you are talking about.
 
What's happening in the USA? How did you all come to hate each other so much? It's not just race or religion, people hate each other because of their political affiliation.
It's a really bad thing, not at all natural.
 
jmotivator said:
HAHAHAHA!!! No, we don't have to assume anything. Loughner's personal statements were anti-religion. Holmes was not religious until converting to Islam.

We can assume that you don't know what you are talking about.
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his posting history is one of blatant lies combined with bombastic idiocy (claiming W was the worst president ever) and a refusal to ever back up any of his claims
 
Chomsky said:
The headline pales, compared to the contents of the article.

He ran the mother over with his car?

Marone!

This might be crappy on my part, but seeing as this is a political discussion board - I suspect I know which Presidential candidate he preferred.
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"Might be"? And Obama hung out with a domestic terrorist and now sits in the White House. Your point?
 
TurtleDude said:
NO EVIDENCE LOL, this is coming from a guy who spent hours claiming Loughner was a member of the tea party which is something you made up since there was ZERO evidence of that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

Loughner has been described as an atheist by those who knew him.[55][56]

Loughner declined to state his religion in his Army application. In his "Final Thoughts" video, Loughner stated, "No, I don't trust in God!", in reference to the official motto of the United States printed on US coins and US paper currency, "In God We Trust". He expressed a dislike for all religions, and he was particularly critical of Christians
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Like I said none of that proves that he is an atheist. He never explicitly said he was an atheist. Unless he says "I am an atheist" he isn't. We have to assume he is christian because of his christian name until proven otherwise. There are people who still believe obama is a muslim despite him stating he is a christian many times due to his islamic name. I am not getting into a loughner teabagger argument with you again. I have provided pages of evidence in the past and you refuse to believe it. There is no helping people in denial like you.
 
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TurtleDude said:
his posting history is one of blatant lies combined with bombastic idiocy (claiming W was the worst president ever) and a refusal to ever back up any of his claims
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I have provided a lot of evidence to back up bush is the worst but you refuse to believe. Even his own party admits his major legislation like no child left behind, loans for poor, bushcare, wall st bailout, iraq war etc. was a failure. The republican nominee has called bush a liar, failure and blamed him for 9-11. Clearly he can objectively assess a bush presidency. I don't why you have to be so partisan that you can't.
 
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