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Woman Fined $700 for selling tamales

SDET said:
Most eating establishments fail in the first three years.
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And few to none fail due to govt regulations

Second, how many of those play the "indulgences" system one way or another?
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Probably close to none

So now that I've answer your questions, answer mine

You said that no food vendor can possibly follow all the rules. Do you have any proof of this, or is it just BS?

PS - I have been in the food business for decades, including selling dairy products and fruit products (which along with meat are the heaviest regulated sectors of the food industry) and I know the facts; not just the inane slogans and bumper sticker logic you've tossed around
 
sangha said:
And few to none fail due to govt regulations



Probably close to none

So now that I've answer your questions, answer mine

You said that no food vendor can possibly follow all the rules. Do you have any proof of this, or is it just BS?

PS - I have been in the food business for decades, including selling dairy products and fruit products (which along with meat are the heaviest regulated sectors of the food industry) and I know the facts; not just the inane slogans and bumper sticker logic you've tossed around
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Do you understand the "work to rule" which is a "soft strike" by a labor union? A regulator can do that to any eating establishment that crosses him. If you're bored one day, try studying the restaurant inspection regulations, then visit several restaurants. If you look hard enough, you can find something.
 
1751Texan said:
Those are all good reasons but not all that common. Even national food chains have to deal with unsafe food stuff. Chipotle greens made many sick.



Tamales are exponentially safer food. After steaming for 45-2 hours, the tamal is sterile and the interior contents are never touched until eaten.
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Some of these things are "not all that common" because regulators do stuff like this.
 
Got to love the idea of permits. Nothing quite like the government taking your rights and then selling them back to you.
 
Henrin said:
Got to love the idea of permits. Nothing quite like the government taking your rights and then selling them back to you.
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Your right to sell me tainted meat off the back of a truck?
 
Deuce said:
Your right to sell me tainted meat off the back of a truck?
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How about my right to sell food. If it is tainted or not is another matter entirely.
 
Henrin said:
How about my right to sell food. If it is tainted or not is another matter entirely.
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Without any oversight, how would any enforcement occur?
 
SDET said:
Do you understand the "work to rule" which is a "soft strike" by a labor union? A regulator can do that to any eating establishment that crosses him.
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This has nothing to do with unions. You fail

Try harder

If you're bored one day, try studying the restaurant inspection regulations, then visit several restaurants. If you look hard enough, you can find something.
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Umm, I not only worked in several restaurants, I've been partners in several. I've forgotten more than you will even know about restaurants.
 
Patrickt said:
So, what if someone did get sick? Well, they could not buy any more tamales. Or, they could sue the woman. What if I'm invited to my boss's house for dinner and I get sick? My god, what is the government doing to protect me from that? What is I am a terrible cook and my family gets sick eating at home? Shouldn't the government do something about that? Shouldn't we have government standards for kitchens at home, where most people eat? Shouldn't cooks have to be licensed? How can they leave this vital area of our lives unregulated. I'm so afraid I need to hide in my closet.
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Indeed. Maybe people should have to get government permission before having a party with some friends. Don't you just love where liberal logic leads? :lol:

And yeah, it's unregulated, and OMFG that is a serious problem. I'm not sure how liberals are standing for such anarchy!
 
sangha said:
This has nothing to do with unions. You fail

Try harder



Umm, I not only worked in several restaurants, I've been partners in several. I've forgotten more than you will even know about restaurants.
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Then you're being disingenuous. You should know better, then.
 
SDET said:
Then you're being disingenuous. You should know better, then.
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I do know better....better than you

But I still see no proof from you that "no one can follow the rules". Will you ever answer that or will you dodge it forever?
 
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Deuce said:
Without any oversight, how would any enforcement occur?
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That's like asking how do we enforce rape laws without cameras monitoring people.
 
Patrickt said:
I don't suppose it would to you. I'm a police officer. His home was on my beat. I frequently went there on complaints from his deadbeat neighbors. When he came in selling burritos I already knw him and his deadbeat neighbors. But, I knew lots of people. I didn't limit myself to self-styled liberal elites.

But, I'm not surprised you didn't believe it. I would suggest you put me on ignore and save yourself some time.
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I bought some tamales off a gut wagon in San Antonio once on an Air Force installation (Camp Bullis). 5 of our 7 people got sick from food poisoning. You knew the guy. We didn't. You know where the guy lives, we didn't. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to sue someone? I am having a legal battle with a neighbor. It took me two weeks to find an attorney. The retainer, just to get the ball rolling, was 6k. We have burned through 2k of that. 2k that I will never get back. That is the price of a nice rifle. I have a real good case. If there is a judgement it can be impossible to collect. It is easy to say, "sue them" but it is easier said than done.
 
Henrin said:
That's like asking how do we enforce rape laws without cameras monitoring people.
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No, it's not like that at all.

Do you think we shouldn't do any kind of inspections of food-selling businesses?
 
Deuce said:
No, it's not like that at all.
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Well obviously we can't deal with people getting sick without permits, so I can't imagine how we can deal with rape without cameras.
 
Henrin said:
Well obviously we can't deal with people getting sick without permits, so I can't imagine how we can deal with rape without cameras.
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Do you think we should have regular health inspections for food-selling businesses?
 
Deuce said:
Do you think we should have regular health inspections for food-selling businesses?
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Mandated by the government? No.
 
A. The "gut wagon" was regulated.
B. I do not think there should be regulations on small family businesses. A mailman in Cheyenne, Wyoming, was having Italian dinners in his home by reservation only. His wife was cooking, his kids helped serving and the government harassed him. Everyone knew they were eating in his home. Everyone knew his wife was cooking dinner. No, I do not think the government should harass him and his family.

This woman was making tamales in her home. No employees. No advertising. Just, making and selling tamales in her home. Should the government fine her $700 and force her to stop?

Kind of reminds me of the nitwits citing parents for the kids' lemonade stand not having a business license, a health inspection, a restaurant license, a fire inspection, and, horrors, no OSHA inspection.
 
Patrickt said:
A. The "gut wagon" was regulated.
B. I do not think there should be regulations on small family businesses. A mailman in Cheyenne, Wyoming, was having Italian dinners in his home by reservation only. His wife was cooking, his kids helped serving and the government harassed him. Everyone knew they were eating in his home. Everyone knew his wife was cooking dinner. No, I do not think the government should harass him and his family.

This woman was making tamales in her home. No employees. No advertising. Just, making and selling tamales in her home. Should the government fine her $700 and force her to stop?

Kind of reminds me of the nitwits citing parents for the kids' lemonade stand not having a business license, a health inspection, a restaurant license, a fire inspection, and, horrors, no OSHA inspection.
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So, can my restaurant be exempt from health codes if I call it my house? This lady would make hundreds of tamales and they would be sold to the public. That's a business. The only difference between her and McDonald's is scale.
 
Deuce said:
So, can my restaurant be exempt from health codes if I call it my house? This lady would make hundreds of tamales and they would be sold to the public. That's a business. The only difference between her and McDonald's is scale.
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It's a stupid question but I'll take a shot at answering. A restaurant is a restaurant. A home is a home. If you don't know the difference it can be defined quite simply. For example, do you live in your "restaurant"? Does the "restaurant" represent 100% of your income or 1% of your income? Do you advertise the premises as a restaurant? Do you seat 300 people or no one? Do you serve 1,000 people a day or two?

I think even a liberal government could define a business. Oh, wait, probably not. If you're not on the dole you're a business.

I see a rather significant difference between McDonalds and Ms. Cruz. Perhaps you don't.

I support Ms. Cruz and think the regulators who mailed her a $700 ticket should be tarred and feathered. That would be with a government inspected tar pot, of course, and properly acquired and government-approved feathers. And the rail on which they would be ridden out of town would have OSHA-approved safety belts and your tar-and-feathering license would be up to date.

Shut down the kids' lemonade stand, keep people on welfare, harass citizens, and pretend you're protecting them.

And the kicker is, in large, liberal cities life is largely unregulated as long as you can pay the bribes. I wonder if Ms. Cruz should have offered the regulator $50 to make the problem go away.
 
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nota bene said:
Food safety is important, and tamales can pose a threat. Every so often, the mother of the young man who mows my yard whips up a bunch (certainly nowhere near a hundred because tamales take time/effort to make), and I buy them. To die for tamales, but I've never seen her kitchen. Could be dog hair in those tamales, or maybe she let them sit out too long when she should've refrigerated them. Food safety/sales laws exist for a reason.
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I've always found that a little dog hair in a tamale gives it that certain je ne sais quoi that makes me want another one.
 
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