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Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary

Abbazorkzog said:
Oh **** that guy, John McCain is a corrupt PoS who should be nowhere near the White House, I could see him sneering about Libya as him and Hillary laughed maniacally about the invasion.
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Hey now, no need to compare me to him. :mad:
 
Sadly you may be right. She'll have him tag along to troll for the millennial vote on the campaign trail. It'll be too ugly for me to watch. Nothing Sanders says about Hillary now will ring true with thinking people.

I'll stay true and vote my beliefs. Bernie can back the woman who owes her presidency to Wall Street.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Was expected. Now its official. He gave it a hell of a run. Like you, I thought he wasnt going to go as far as he did. But hey, he did. Social-democratic policies seem to be pretty popular in the USA.
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The KKK and Nazis were also once "pretty popular in the USA." This Ideology (Socialism) that is every bit as destructive will hopefully someday end up on the same ash heap of history.
 
Casca XV said:
The KKK and Nazis were also once "pretty popular in the USA." This Ideology (Socialism) that is every bit as destructive will hopefully someday end up on the same ash heap of history.
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:roll: :doh
Quite the leap you just made there. Social democracy to equating it with the KKK and Nazis....
 
Risky Thicket said:
I'm still trying to figure out why another dynasty and a Wall Street Democrat will be good for America.

My vote won't go to Hillary no matter what Bernie says.
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And what do you want to do to avoid voting for that woman? Vote for Trump?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:roll: :doh
Quite the leap you just made there. Social democracy to equating it with the KKK and Nazis....
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While the KKK isn't really very close to socialism, the fundamental pricipal of Naziism is. But you know that.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:roll: :doh
Quite the leap you just made there. Social democracy to equating it with the KKK and Nazis....
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If anything I'm being unfair to the KKK and Nazis.

Over the last 100 years Socialism has killed more people than any Religions has in all human history (even Islam). Marxist Socialist calling themselves Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy is like Liberals insisting they are Progressives, Its the same thing! This constant re-branding is just another way for the Left to lie about what it is.
 
joG said:
And what do you want to do to avoid voting for that woman? Vote for Trump?
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I'm fairly certain that as far as national elections go I'll never vote for candidates from either corporate owned party ever again. There is certainly no way I'd vote for Trump. No way Clinton will ever get my vote. Never happen.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Bernie Sanders written note on the endorsement: https://www.facebook.com/notes/bernie-sanders/forever-forward/1086061604782176
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This is what I expected in the event things played out as they have. Through that whole endorsement, he endorses her by name only once. Several times he endorses the torch she will end up carrying into November, the democratic nominee, the best chance to beat Trump (again, I will say for those saying he sold out, he said from day 1 he would do what it took to make sure Trump did not become POTUS, and this has been his exit strategy the whole time should he have ended up needing it), and the best chance at the type of reforms he's been fighting for. He also mentioned campaigning hard for down ticket candidates through the rest of the election. I expect him to say very little about her majesty from here on out and focus more on turning his revolution into something sustainable and effective, and supporting candidates who support the issues Bernie has been fighting for.

If she must be the government figurehead ........ so be it. I still don't know if I can bring myself to vote for her, but the concessions Bernie has won on the democratic platform are very encouraging (as they no doubt have been calculated to be). She will likely ignore much of it once she ascends. But if the movement is still strong enough to bring about public criticism for her ignoring the platform that got her elected, things can still happen. Good, positive things.

I will never believe he lost fairly, but I can accept reality. I know other Bernie supporters as well as myself will all be watching her very closely for her term as POTUS, and if she tries to ignore the promises she has made, the message she has agreed to carry, the compromises she has been strong armed into, the official platform of the party she is running under ...... well, she'll have a lot of loud, angry, progressive critics to deal with. I know, not very impressive right? But if the movement stays together, it may still have some weight it can throw around, perhaps enough to push her into honoring promises already made and at least stop her from facilitating the rule of the corporate oligarchy. I dream big, I know, But this is all I'm really left with. The slim hope that a money loving corporate sell out POTUS might be forced to honor progressive campaign promises. Good god where the **** is my Prozac.......
 
Casca XV said:
The KKK and Nazis were also once "pretty popular in the USA." This Ideology (Socialism) that is every bit as destructive will hopefully someday end up on the same ash heap of history.
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I will never understand this knee jerk hatred of socialism. At least most of the people who feel this way don't have many years left. And then the blind hatred of socialism will end up where it belongs: the ash heap of history.
 
Henrin said:
If anything this hurts Bernie and his image. Being the loyal team player is pretty dumb.
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Let me guess.....you were also one of those who truly believed on election day 2011 that Romney was not only going to win, but win in a landslide (despite the polls showing Obama up by 8-10 points). Am I right?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Bernie Sanders written note on the endorsement: https://www.facebook.com/notes/bernie-sanders/forever-forward/1086061604782176
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This part just seems so obviously true.

All of these progressive policies were at the heart of our campaign. The truth is our movement is responsible for the most progressive Democratic platform in the history of our country. All of that is the direct result of the work that our members of the platform committee did in the meetings and that you have been doing over the last 15 months.

But none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward. We must elect the Democratic nominee in November and progressive Democrats up and down the ballot so that we ensure that these policy commitments can advance.
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I hate it that our votes have to be based on that kind of equation, but that's reality. If you support Bernie's agenda, the only way ANY of it is enacted is to vote for Hillary and try to get democrats elected in the Congress. If Congress can pass progressive legislation, she will sign it.
 
joG said:
While the KKK isn't really very close to socialism, the fundamental pricipal of Naziism is. But you know that.
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:lamo Oh boy, Nazis are socialists now because they had the word socialist in their name? Its not about actual policies but because they have it in their name? Well I guess that means North Korea is democratic because they are called the Democratic Republic of Korea, right?

Casca XV said:
If anything I'm being unfair to the KKK and Nazis.

Over the last 100 years Socialism has killed more people than any Religions has in all human history (even Islam). Marxist Socialist calling themselves Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy is like Liberals insisting they are Progressives, Its the same thing! This constant re-branding is just another way for the Left to lie about what it is.
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:lamo Oh for ****s sake. We are equating Marxism-Leninism to social democracy now!? How intellectually dishonest of you.
 
JasperL said:
If Congress can pass progressive legislation, she will sign it.
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You're right! THAT is the reason you vote for Clinton in November (and not Trump, Stein, or Johnson). Well, that and supreme court justice nominations.
 
poweRob said:
I never said I believed it. But the party platform is changed. And she has capitulated to many changes. Whether they go through with it... I dunno.
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Has he she really, or is she just saying what you want to hear?
 
Frmo the 2012 DNC platform. Tell me if DNC has pushed for any of this.

1. Middle class tax cuts
2. working with anyone to fix and improve the ACA
3. social security reform
4. cutting waste, reducing the deficit
5. all of the above energy policy
6. cutting red tape for small businesses
7. eliminating Chinas unfair trade practices
8. transparent and accoutable govt
9. Veterans healthcare
10. supporting faith based institutions
11. urban violence
12. ending war in IRaq
13. ending war in afghanistan
14. preventing spread of nuclear weapons
15. reigning in russian expansion and support of terror states
16. cybercrime
17. free trade
18. combatting HIV
19. maintaining a strong military
20. standing with those demanding greater freedom

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
 
BrewerBob said:
Nobody can say John McCain hasn't seen the dirty side of war and he is one of the biggest Hawks there is, eager to throw our soldiers at every little problem around the world.
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But he's a sellout. Money makes people do strange things.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Sadly you may be right. She'll have him tag along to troll for the millennial vote on the campaign trail. It'll be too ugly for me to watch. Nothing Sanders says about Hillary now will ring true with thinking people.

I'll stay true and vote my beliefs. Bernie can back the woman who owes her presidency to Wall Street.
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Apparently Bernie isn't smart enough to see that, otherwise one would think he wouldn't endorse her.
 
It interesting that the Bernie voters seem to be most sensitive to corruption in government. Yet hear we are, a full throated endorsement by Bernie. LOL.
 
Henrin said:
If anything this hurts Bernie and his image. Being the loyal team player is pretty dumb.
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He's 74 and his career in politics has to be reaching a conclusion, America's future is more important than his image :shrug:
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066070586 said:
Apparently Bernie isn't smart enough to see that, otherwise one would think he wouldn't endorse her.
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Bernie ain't no dummy. However, it does concern me that he has decided to support Clinton. No doubt, and as usual, there is much we do not know.

I do believe Bernie is committed to the issues he championed during his campaign. Beyond that I have no idea why he has taken the position he has taken at the time he decided to do it.

When I think about something such as appointing SC justices who will pledge to overturn Citizens United or to breakup banks and insurance companies that are too big too fail, I cannot see that happening under Clinton. Wall Street has way, way, way too much money invested in the Clintons for Hillary to do the right thing for the 99%. Bernie knows this probably better than we do. What is Bernie supporting with Hillary? Much of what he has stood for will never see the light of day.

What I believe will happen is we will see new lipstick on the same pigs we face now. Clinton will support big trade agreements, not American workers or small businesses; Hillary will play a shell game with Americans concerning Big Pharma; Clinton will shuck and jive concerning student loans regardless of what she says; Hillary will do next to nothing to really make a difference in equality for all Americans (more show than go); she will certainly continue to support the neocon/military industrial complex agenda and US imperialism.

In the end Hillary will be a status quo president, which IMHO is exactly what the nation does not need. Hillary will not lead. She will continue to follow the path of sameness that Obama has taken. I predict big changes will most certainly come - BUT - they will not be initiated by Hillary Clinton. She will react, and just as with her campaign, she will play it as politically safe as she can. America be damned.
 
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ModerateGOP said:
It's official folks. Sorry ya never had a chance but he got much farther than I thought possible

Bernie Sanders to Finally Endorse Hillary Clinton at New Hampshire Rally - NBC News

Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton today in New Hampshire
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I called it right weeks ago when people were saying that Bernie was either a sore loser, or that he was in this at all costs. I merely stated that Bernie's goal was to use the delegate support he got to influence the Democratic party platform. And guess what? He did just that. After getting Hillary's side to negotiate the platform, and after getting most of what he wanted added to the platform, he is now throwing his support behind her.
 
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