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Attorney general: Hate crime charge unlikely if Dallas shooter acted alone

fmw said:
"Attorney general: Hate crime charge unlikely if Dallas shooter acted alone"

People need help hating? It was a racist hate crime. The shooter said so. But they aren't likely to charge a dead man for anything are they?
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I read this to mean that they are not going to waste the time on this case unless another suspect is found, not that it wasn't a hate crime, although I have not heard Obama make any comments directly about the shooter and his motivations. He has commented on everything surrounding the case, but not the shooter himself.

Has anybody else?
 
SheWolf said:
Isn't there an actual precedent defining "hate crime" and it's based on national, origin, race, religion, and gender? I could be wrong but I don't think LGTB are currently protected, nor are public servants. I remember LGTB were fighting to be added to the hate crime legislation, but I don't recall it ever passing...

Otherwise, I think you have made really good points.
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In most jurisdictions the penalty for acting on a police officer is heavier than on a normal citizen.

They are a defacto protected class.
 
Hatuey said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-atto...nlikely-if-shooter-acted-alone-200558816.html



This is where I draw the line. This was a hate crime and a terrorist attack against both whites and police officers. The intent was to kill as many white cops as possible. Lynch is simply wrong on this and she is being EXTREMELY hypocritical. Dylan Roof, from all we know, acted alone and he based his actions on a deeply rooted hatred for black people. Micah Xavier Johnson did the same and he should not be absolved from that simply because he is black.
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Granted, but if the shooter acted alone and is now dead, what's the point of bringing up hate crime charges? The Justice Dept. could add this shooting to the domestic terrorist list or categorized it as a hate crime, but bringing hate crime charges against the shooter when it hasn't been proven that others were involved AND the shooter is dead makes no sense. I mean, who exactly are you going to bring charges against?
 
apdst said:
Did you miss the part where a black terrorist group claimed responsibility and promised more attacks?
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Well, you'd have to find those people and then you can charge them accordingly. In any case, did you miss the part where the suspected lone gunman is dead? Apparently so!

Now, I understand that Mr. Johnson was part of the New Black Panther Party. If that is, in fact, the case, that organization should be thoroughly investigated and anyone who helped plan the shooting should be arrested and charged with a hate crime. But until an investigation proves this to be true, let's not make mountains from mole hills, folks. Give the investigative process a chance to go forward and the evidence make the case accordingly.
 
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Her reasoning is horrible. It should be because he's dead, not because he acted by himself.
 
Hatuey said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-atto...nlikely-if-shooter-acted-alone-200558816.html



This is where I draw the line. This was a hate crime and a terrorist attack against both whites and police officers. The intent was to kill as many white cops as possible. Lynch is simply wrong on this and she is being EXTREMELY hypocritical. Dylan Roof, from all we know, acted alone and he based his actions on a deeply rooted hatred for black people. Micah Xavier Johnson did the same and he should not be absolved from that simply because he is black.
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I wonder if he had survived and acted alone would Lynch pursue hate crime charges?

My guess is she would be under a huge amount of pressure to do just that
 
Objective Voice said:
Well, you'd have to find those people and then you can charge them accordingly. In any case, did you miss the part where the suspected lone gunman is dead? Apparently so!

Now, I understand that Mr. Johnson was part of the New Black Panther Party. If that is, in fact, the case, that organization should be thoroughly investigated and anyone who helped plan the shooting should be arrested and charged with a hate crime. But until an investigation proves this to be true, let's not make mountains from mole hills, folks. Give the investigative process a chance to go forward and the evidence make the case accordingly.
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Did you miss the part where there were 3 more attacks? How about the black panthers saying they're going to Baton Rouge and cause trouble?

You're defending the black version of the KKK.
 
MaggieD said:
Am i in the twilight zone? The ONLY PERPETRATOR is dead. Mr. Hat! WTH am I missing?
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Then one must ask why in the world would Lynch even make that statement . This is another example of the total incompetence of this Administration ! :roll:
 
Hatuey said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-atto...nlikely-if-shooter-acted-alone-200558816.html



This is where I draw the line. This was a hate crime and a terrorist attack against both whites and police officers. The intent was to kill as many white cops as possible. Lynch is simply wrong on this and she is being EXTREMELY hypocritical. Dylan Roof, from all we know, acted alone and he based his actions on a deeply rooted hatred for black people. Micah Xavier Johnson did the same and he should not be absolved from that simply because he is black.
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Welcome to 2016, my condolences to your wakening to the new reality, the voice in your head will stop screaming eventually, maybe.
 
ajn678 said:
Her reasoning is horrible. It should be because he's dead, not because he acted by himself.
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*sigh*

If they only currently know of one perpetrator, and he is dead... who else is there to bring charges against?

It IS because he's dead, AND they currently don't have any other suspects, and therefore there is no one to charge as of this moment in time.
 
Excon said:
This is a symptom of what is wrong with the US.[
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I hear you.

They should put the dead perp on trial and after he's found guilty hang him from the highest tree for the rest of his natural death,eh?

:lol:

The English did something like that to Cromwell a while back so we do have a precedent.
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apdst said:
Did you miss the part where there were 3 more attacks? How about the black panthers saying they're going to Baton Rouge and cause trouble?

You're defending the black version of the KKK.
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Oh, apdst...

I'm not defending anyone let alone the so-called black version of the KKK...a description you're clearly echoing from conservative talk radio incorrectly I might add. But yes, I'd heard there were at least 3 other similar attacks in other states. But those attacks aren't the topic of this discussion, nor are they part of the Justice Department's investigation into what took place in Dallas, TX as far as who provided aid to the shooter.

Try staying on topic and stop trying to derail the discussion.
 
Objective Voice said:
Oh, apdst...

I'm not defending anyone let alone the so-called black version of the KKK...a description you're clearly echoing from conservative talk radio incorrectly I might add. But yes, I'd heard there were at least 3 other similar attacks in other states. But those attacks aren't the topic of this discussion, nor are they part of the Justice Department's investigation into what took place in Dallas, TX as far as who provided aid to the shooter.

Try staying on topic and stop trying to derail the discussion.
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Yeah, you don't want to talk about the other attacks. Do you?
 
apdst said:
Yeah, you don't want to talk about the other attacks. Do you?
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:doh Because they are not the focus of this thread discussion. If you want to have that dialog, I suggest you start a separate thread about those attacks! But don't try to hijack this thread and deflect from this discussion.
 
Objective Voice said:
:doh Because they are not the focus of this thread discussion. If you want to have that dialog, I suggest you start a separate thread about those attacks! But don't try to hijack this thread and deflect from this discussion.
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No, it's because their existence destroys your apologism strategy.
 
apdst said:
No, it's because their existence destroys your apologism strategy.
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What strategy? And where did I apologize for anything that's occurred thus far especially where wrong conduct was committed? I think you need to go back and re-read my post #105 where I said:

Now, I understand that Mr. Johnson was part of the New Black Panther Party. If that is, in fact, the case, that organization should be thoroughly investigated and anyone who helped plan the shooting should be arrested and charged with a hate crime.
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Reading comprehension...you really should try it.
 
shrubnose said:
I hear you.

They should put the dead perp on trial and after he's found guilty hang him from the highest tree for the rest of his natural death,eh?

:lol:

The English did something like that to Cromwell a while back so we do have a precedent.
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You obviously didn't hear me for you to make reply as you did.
Try again.
 
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