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Baltimore police officer cleared in Freddie Gray's death

Re: Baltimore cop not guilty of most serious charge in death of Freddie Gray

Did the Officer's action cause this guy's death? Yes. Did the officer know of a pre-existing condition, and try to exploit it? Doubtful. Beyond a reasonable doubt, has to be proven. This ruling may be impartial, has any of you considered that? And the next rulings on manslaughter may be impartial and find the guy guilty, has anyone considered that?

I know we all want to believe our justice system is corrupt, but that is because the bad apples get the most press. There are plenty of judges that fulfill their obligations everyday and rule against even their own morals.

Like it or not for the past century, Law Enforcement hasn't had the best track record for dealing with Minorities. The first Black President should have opinions on this, and I think he should have done more to address the systemic imbalance. To claim Obama is wrong because some judge found reasonable doubt that the cop intended to explode the guys heart, well I have a very racist cousin who makes the same mental leaps. Let's just say that.

And even if the cop is innocent, completely innocent. How many times has some minority been made an example of, when Law Enforcement feels the benefit of a show of force, outweighs the individuals rights? Or the benefit of the doubt is withheld because the circumstances were just to suspicious.

Maybe we need a show of force to Law Enforcement? Maybe, he needs to be an example. Please respond to this so I can save your comments for future use, when you take the opposite stance when a minority allegedly does something, and is met with extreme opposition. *cough* Trayvon *cough*

At least the cop is getting due process. And before you bash me for hating on Law Enforcement, save it. I am completely aware and appreciative of the countless majority of Law Enforcement officials who are upstanding and doing their job well (although I see less and less of them). But they are guilty of turning a blind eye and protecting the actions of their less conscientious peers. Something we need them to stop doing. Lets talk about that, rather than how we should blame a President who is leaving in a few months. Or talk about the way our Police are being trained to shoot first, like we are enemy combatants. I am from a small town, with a very militarized police force. We haven't had a murder in 60 years. Why does a town with 1000 people need 15 cops with their own riot gear and a military assault vehicle? Cops who are not even from our town, and feel its their right to confiscate peoples belongings, cars, and once a boat. Whether the people were arrested and charged or not, to fund their department at their auction.

But nope its not systemic, must be that Obama out to get us.
 
Baltimore police officer cleared in Freddie Gray's death

As he should be.





Did the Officer's action cause this guy's death? Yes.
The Officer's actions did not kill Freddie Gray.
Freddie Gray killed himself by banging around in the back of a moving vehicle. His own actions put him in the situation and his own actions caused his death.

He is the only one to blame.
 
As he should be.





The Officer's actions did not kill Freddie Gray.
Freddie Gray killed himself by banging around in the back of a moving vehicle. His own actions put him in the situation and his own actions caused his death.

He is the only one to blame.

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you were there. What else can you tell us? I mean all the complaints filed against the department about these rough rides, not to mention the 5.7 mil in settlements in the previous 4 years for police misconduct...

I guess we should just ignore factors that are inconvenient to your narrative of events.

"A Baltimore Sun report found that vans in Anne Arundel, Harford, Howard and Baltimore counties do not have seat belts. One of Carroll County’s two police vans has seat belts.

It is an important point, because Baltimore state's attorney Marilyn Mosby accused officers involved in Gray’s arrest of violating department policy by not securing him in a seat belt. Gray suffered a fatal spine injury while in police custody, according to Mosby. The department has been accused of taking suspects on “rough rides” in police vans, the practice of purposefully tossing people around in the back of a car or van with the intent to hurt them. Since May 1, the day Mosby’s office charged the six police officers involved in Gray’s death, at least two other men have come forward accusing the department of taking them on rough rides.

Since 1997, at least three people have been paralyzed by such rides, according to a review by the Sun. One man died as a result, which won his family a $219,000 payout."

Huh someone else died... They must have jumped around and exploded their heart to, funny it happening twice. I don't know how to explain the paralyzed people. They must have been paralyzed already, and committing some sort of crime only paralyzed people can commit.
 
Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you were there. What else can you tell us? I mean all the complaints filed against the department about these rough rides, not to mention the 5.7 mil in settlements in the previous 4 years for police misconduct...
Apparently you like making things up to believe, nor do I have to have been there to know the evidence that exists.
1. There is no evidence of a "rough ride".
2. There was another person in the back of the van who said it was a "smooth ride".


I guess we should just ignore factors that are inconvenient to your narrative of events.
Nothing there has any relevance to this case or are contrary to any narrative you think I have.
All this is is an irrelevant deflection.
The Officer did not cause and is not responsible for Freddie's death. Freddie is.


It is an important point, ...
No it is not because the only evidence that exists is that it was a smooth ride.
 
Apparently you like making things up to believe, nor do I have to have been there to know the evidence that exists.
1. There is no evidence of a "rough ride".
2. There was another person in the back of the van who said it was a "smooth ride".


Nothing there has any relevance to this case or are contrary to any narrative you think I have.
All this is is an irrelevant deflection.
The Officer did not cause and is not responsible for Freddie's death. Freddie is.


No it is not because the only evidence that exists is that it was a smooth ride.

And what exactly would evidence of a "Rough Ride" look like? Would there be more rubber worn off the tire? Less gas in the tank? You know what evidence I see of foul play? A body...

And you will have to refresh my memory on this witness, because it sounds like bologne. A witness video the arrest, and then was harassed and intimidated by the police, did you mean that witness? Look I am not going to argue with someone that's drank the kool-aid. You want police to have no accountability, and think its ok if anyone dies in police custody with no due process. I don't get it, but I am sure you have your reasons. I am not interested in hearing any of them. But I am sure you have them.

And it just makes more sense to think cops were being assholes, than to think a guy killed himself for being arrested with a knife. Especially, when Baltimore Cops had a reputation of doing this. And even paid damages, previously.

Similar mental leaps, is all I'm saying.
 
And what exactly would evidence of a "Rough Ride" look like? Would there be more rubber worn off the tire? Less gas in the tank? You know what evidence I see of foul play? A body...

And you will have to refresh my memory on this witness, because it sounds like bologne. A witness video the arrest, and then was harassed and intimidated by the police, did you mean that witness? Look I am not going to argue with someone that's drank the kool-aid. You want police to have no accountability, and think its ok if anyone dies in police custody with no due process. I don't get it, but I am sure you have your reasons. I am not interested in hearing any of them. But I am sure you have them.

And it just makes more sense to think cops were being assholes, than to think a guy killed himself for being arrested with a knife. Especially, when Baltimore Cops had a reputation of doing this. And even paid damages, previously.

Similar mental leaps, is all I'm saying.
Your reply is biased nonsense.


The evidence is another person who was in the back of the van saying it was a "smooth ride".
"Smooth ride" is not "rough ride". Do you really not understand that?

Touching back now to Det. Boyd’s (with colleague Det. Poremski) interview with co-passenger Donte Allen on April 12, immediately following the van ride, it is worth recalling the relevant portions of the transcript of that interview:

Det. Poremski: Okay. And your ride over, do you remember, when you were riding there, did you hit any big bumps, potholes? Did you — was it a smooth ride? Was it rough? Was it, you know, any kind of —

Mr. Allen: I was fine.

Det. Boyd: There wasn’t no tossing or turning, no like sudden stops or nothing like that?

Mr. Allen: No.

Det. Boyd: Didn’t speed up, slam on the brakes and slam you, nothing like that?

Mr. Allen: — over the railroad tracks real fast.

Det. Boyd: So it was just a smooth ride?

Mr. Allen: Smooth ride.

Det. Boyd: So nothing? At any point, you didn’t hit your head. You didn’t — a bump or anything like that?

Mr. Allen: Ain’t no reason to.

Det. Boyd: So it’s safe to say, in your opinion, if [Gray] was banging his head, he was doing it of his own accord?

Mr. Allen: Yes sir.

Det. Boyd: Wasn’t nobody force him? It wasn’t like the way the officer was driving or anything like that?

Mr. Allen: No sir.​
Freddie Gray Day #4: Prosecution’s “Rough Ride” Theory Implodes


Clearly the kool-aid drinking you speak of is all yours.
You should really learn the evidence of a case before spewing bs about it.
 
Your reply is biased nonsense.


The evidence is another person who was in the back of the van saying it was a "smooth ride".
"Smooth ride" is not "rough ride". Do you really not understand that?

Touching back now to Det. Boyd’s (with colleague Det. Poremski) interview with co-passenger Donte Allen on April 12, immediately following the van ride, it is worth recalling the relevant portions of the transcript of that interview:

Det. Poremski: Okay. And your ride over, do you remember, when you were riding there, did you hit any big bumps, potholes? Did you — was it a smooth ride? Was it rough? Was it, you know, any kind of —

Mr. Allen: I was fine.

Det. Boyd: There wasn’t no tossing or turning, no like sudden stops or nothing like that?

Mr. Allen: No.

Det. Boyd: Didn’t speed up, slam on the brakes and slam you, nothing like that?

Mr. Allen: — over the railroad tracks real fast.

Det. Boyd: So it was just a smooth ride?

Mr. Allen: Smooth ride.

Det. Boyd: So nothing? At any point, you didn’t hit your head. You didn’t — a bump or anything like that?

Mr. Allen: Ain’t no reason to.

Det. Boyd: So it’s safe to say, in your opinion, if [Gray] was banging his head, he was doing it of his own accord?

Mr. Allen: Yes sir.

Det. Boyd: Wasn’t nobody force him? It wasn’t like the way the officer was driving or anything like that?

Mr. Allen: No sir.​
Freddie Gray Day #4: Prosecution’s “Rough Ride” Theory Implodes


Clearly the kool-aid drinking you speak of is all yours.
You should really learn the evidence of a case before spewing bs about it.



And maybe you shouldn't trust the police. In case you don't watch it, he states the banging he heard wasn't loud and only lasted a short while. Like he was convulsing. He as the witness believes he was in a bad way when they put him in. So congratulations, I believe these cops are now guilty of a worse crime. Good on You.
 


And maybe you shouldn't trust the police. In case you don't watch it, he states the banging he heard wasn't loud and only lasted a short while. Like he was convulsing. He as the witness believes he was in a bad way when they put him in. So congratulations, I believe these cops are now guilty of a worse crime. Good on You.


You again engage in nonsense.
1. He still says it was a "smooth ride" after the fact, in public interview. That didn't change.
2. What changed was the "banging" part. He clearly says he changed his testimony because he is fearful for his life. That makes what he said differently in public, from what he said before in official interviews, suspect.
These things shouldn't need to be explained to anybody.

But again he did not say it wasn't a "smooth ride" as he claimed.

Still left with the evidence that it was a smooth ride, not a "rough ride".
 
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You again engage in nonsense.
1. He still says it was a "smooth ride" after the fact. in public interview.
2. He clearly says he changed his testimony because he is fearful for his life, that makes what he said differently in public, from what he said before in official interviews, suspect.
These things shouldn't need to be explained to anybody.

Hence, now I believe them guilty of a worse crime. They beat him to the point he would die, then covered it up by intimidating the other rider. I said Good on You. Before, I only thought them assholes who were unlucky. Now I think they really are murderers. They should all be made an example of, its not like good cops have to worry about being mistaken for bad cops. I'd put em in gen pop. Cops wouldn't last long in Gen Pop.
 
Hence, now I believe them guilty of a worse crime. They beat him to the point he would die, then covered it up by intimidating the other rider. I said Good on You. Before, I only thought them assholes who were unlucky. Now I think they really are murderers. They should all be made an example of, its not like good cops have to worry about being mistaken for bad cops. I'd put em in gen pop. Cops wouldn't last long in Gen Pop.
Wow!
A total disconnect from reality.

Good luck with make believe world you live in.
 
Meanwhile, the cops are basically leaving this part of Baltimore to itself, and it turned into Beirut.

Nice job, Obama and your pet club, BLM.
 
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