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Southwest Punished by Record Heat

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beefheart said:
Yeah, and 120 is a hell of a lot higher than 103.

Ya think?
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Average 103.. means that it could be 110, 114 or whatever for a period and a period of lower temps as well for the month of June. This isn't crazy hot for the area despite how many times people try and say "OMG, Global Warming". Phoenix is UHI city in which the city itself causes about 1.8 degrees from it's UHI to all temps and it's in the middle of a desert.

Rather have AZ heat with low humidity then it be 95 degrees and have 60 plus humidity which is typical on the East Coast.
 
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Chomsky said:
Yowza! 107 at night!

CNN claimed they were rerouting planes.
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One plane yesterday turned around, it was a CRJ from Skywest flying for United. Really stupid thing to do, he is gonna get some of his ass handed to him.

I was working at the airport in 1990 when it hit 122, the planes couldn't take off because they didn't have the performance charts that went over 120 degrees. Hotter it is, less dense the air, more runway you need.
 
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austrianecon said:
Average 103.. means that it could be 110, 114 or whatever for a period and a period of lower temps as well for the month of June. This isn't crazy hot for the area despite how many times people try and say "OMG, Global Warming". Phoenix is UHI city in which the city itself causes about 1.8 degrees from it's UHI to all temps and it's in the middle of a desert.

Rather have AZ heat with low humidity then it be 95 degrees and have 60 plus humidity which is typical on the East Coast.
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Average meaning NOT 17 degrees over the average. Can you not understand that?

Do some standard deviations.
 
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Wow, I stand corrected. This has been going on for decades. All this time, I thought the heat was due to overpopulation, but it's actually divas overheating.
 
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beefheart said:
One plane yesterday turned around, it was a CRJ from Skywest flying for United. Really stupid thing to do, he is gonna get some of his ass handed to him.

I was working at the airport in 1990 when it hit 122, the planes couldn't take off because they didn't have the performance charts that went over 120 degrees. Hotter it is, less dense the air, more runway you need.
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Yeah - my understanding is around 120+ they can't take-off, but they can still land for another +7 or 10 degrees.

No idea if that's accurate or changed, but I think I read that around the time you quoted - and it was about Phoenix.
 
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Fenton said:
Oh Noes !!! Its hot in June! In the Summer no less !

Global Warmer sheeple take cover ! And a " Heat Wave " ? OMG.....

Since this is the first ever recorded Heat wave in human history.....

List of Recorded Heat Waves
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heat_waves
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So many things that are yet to be discovered about the Earth's climate system. Yes, I believe desert areas are going to have hot summers.

Fenton said:
I think its time to raise taxes and push substandard and expensive alternative energy onto the general public via Govt mandate

We'll make the " Rich " ( Middle Class ) pay for it, that'll show em
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Yeah, that's what all this AGW is all about. Just another scam by the political elite on those less successful.
 
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azgreg said:
They were saying on the radio today that it's the earliest time of the year that the overnight low didn't drop below 90°.

I've lived in Arizona since 1967 and this is the worst start to the summer I can remember.
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Congrats? How much larger is Phoenix, AZ and suburbs then it was in 1967? About 3.5 million people. Your Downtown have tons of parking lots for Chase Field and the Arena (not parking garages). Phoenix sits in a desert bowl and as the city grew the UHI grew with it. Reality is.. it was piss poor planning.
 
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beefheart said:
Average meaning NOT 17 degrees over the average. Can you not understand that?

Do some standard deviations.
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The average is obtained by summing the daily high and low temperatures (based on a midnight-to-midnight day) for every day in that 30-year period and then dividing the total by the number of summed values.
 
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Chomsky said:
Yeah - my understanding is around 120+ they can't take-off, but they can still land for another +7 or 10 degrees.

No idea if that's accurate or changed, but I think I read that around the time you quoted - and it was about Phoenix.
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They can certainly take off, but....you need the performance chart so you can calculate V1 (liftoff speed) at the present temps. When it comes to flying, you go by the rules...if you don't have the accurate numbers, you don't fly.
 
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austrianecon said:
Congrats? How much larger is Phoenix, AZ and suburbs then it was in 1967? About 3.5 million people. Your Downtown have tons of parking lots for Chase Field and the Arena (not parking garages). Phoenix sits in a desert bowl and as the city grew the UHI grew with it. Reality is.. it was piss poor planning.
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I live in an old neighborhood next to the biggest park in the city that is all desert, and it was 121.8 yesterday. The heat island effect is not around my house.

I know much much more about Phoenix than you do, having lived here all my life.
 
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austrianecon said:
Congrats? How much larger is Phoenix, AZ and suburbs then it was in 1967? About 3.5 million people. Your Downtown have tons of parking lots for Chase Field and the Arena (not parking garages). Phoenix sits in a desert bowl and as the city grew the UHI grew with it. Reality is.. it was piss poor planning.
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I don't know what you're trying to argue here. Your first post was a rant about averages which were never mentioned in the OP. The OP is about record high temps. What causes them, I couldn't care less. All I know is it's hot as ****, and there's no relief in sight.
 
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azgreg said:
I don't know what you're trying to argue here. Your first post was a rant about averages which were never mentioned in the OP. The OP is about record high temps. What causes them, I couldn't care less. All I know is it's hot as ****, and there's no relief in sight.
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I'm looking forward to some of that western 'dry' heat when we head for Glacier and Yellowstone in late July. Beats the heat indexes back here with temps and humidities over 90. I'll wait on the 4-corners until the fall. KOA is aok .
 
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beefheart said:
I live in an old neighborhood next to the biggest park in the city that is all desert, and it was 121.8 yesterday. The heat island effect is not around my house.

I know much much more about Phoenix than you do, having lived here all my life.
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Do you live in a desert? Has Phoenix had major urban sprawl since the 1970s? Have the areas around Laveen and Ahwatukee have major urban sprawl over the last 20 years? Which has lead to South Mountain area to be virtually suburbanized? That places like Anthem, AZ have popped up over the last 20 years? That the areas around Peoria (Preserve) and Sonoran (Preserves) will fill in over the next 20 years (in an area of Phoenix which is pretty rural)?

Oh which of those statements/questions not true?

LOL! Any suburban development effects temps. Heat also radiates so if you are talking about Laveen and Ahwatukee area then yes.. you have UHI as well.
 
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Meanwhile, where are those blasted hurricanes?

Boo!
 
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azgreg said:
I don't know what you're trying to argue here. Your first post was a rant about averages which were never mentioned in the OP. The OP is about record high temps. What causes them, I couldn't care less. All I know is it's hot as ****, and there's no relief in sight.
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Averages are typical temps recorded over a 30 day period (month of June) so when someone is trying to link Global Warming to a "heat wave" in the Southwest one should know what the recorded historical averages are. If a historical average is 90 degrees and you spend a whole month in the 110 degree range, you might have a point, it's a 20 degree difference (and accounting for UHI, it's around 15 degrees). For a whole month, that's a big deal. But for Southwest this is to be expected as cities grow (UHI).

If you don't care what causes it then you don't care for a realistic solution.
 
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austrianecon said:
Averages are typical temps recorded over a 30 day period (month of June) so when someone is trying to link Global Warming to a "heat wave" in the Southwest one should know what the recorded historical averages are. If a historical average is 90 degrees and you spend a whole month in the 110 degree range, you might have a point, it's a 20 degree difference (and accounting for UHI, it's around 15 degrees). For a whole month, that's a big deal. But for Southwest this is to be expected as cities grow (UHI).

If you don't care what causes it then you don't care for a realistic solution.
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Oh, I understand now. It's your own personal strawman. The article doesn't mention anything about averages or global warming and neither did I. I don't care about the causes because there's nothing we can do about it.
 
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Chillfolks said:
I hope you understand you are posting articles on weather then claiming they relate to climate.* It is the same BS move we see when someone finds an article about the coolest days and proclaime it as proof global warming is a hoax.


Hopefully criminals who are unprepared for the heat will not try and make an illegal border crossing.
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Actually 2016 is already well on its way to being yet another record breaking year worldwide. How many times in a row do you think it will take for you deniers to relent?
It is making you look more foolish every year. You remind me of the Neanderthals or Emperor Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

We Already Know 2016 Will Be the Warmest Year on Record—and It’s Only April
On Tuesday, scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration confirmed that March 2016 was not only the warmest March in recorded climate history, it was also the most unusually warm month of any month ever measured, breaking the record set … the month prior. March was the 11th consecutive month of a new record warm global monthly temperature, the longest streak since NOAA records began in 1880—a horrendous feat that’s led to a bit of complacency in climate circles.
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Record temperatures again in March.
 
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azgreg said:
Oh, I understand now. It's your own personal strawman. The article doesn't mention anything about averages or global warming and neither did I. I don't care about the causes because there's nothing we can do about it.
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The OP did.

Don't you feel like a fool?
 
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Celebrity said:
Southwest Punished by Record Heat Exceeding 120 Degrees | US News

The record temperatures continue to rise. Climate change deniers take note.
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And if you look at other locations around the globe you could make an excellent case for the opposite happening

Is there global cooling? The answer might not be what you expected. - Home

But lets look specifically at the US

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It is clear that the 1930s were by far the warmest decade. A decade where global industrial output was suppressed by the great depression
 
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austrianecon said:
Average 103.. means that it could be 110, 114 or whatever for a period and a period of lower temps as well for the month of June. This isn't crazy hot for the area despite how many times people try and say "OMG, Global Warming". Phoenix is UHI city in which the city itself causes about 1.8 degrees from it's UHI to all temps and it's in the middle of a desert.

Rather have AZ heat with low humidity then it be 95 degrees and have 60 plus humidity which is typical on the East Coast.
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It doesn't sound like you've ever been to Phoenix during summer.

People in Phoenix don't go out of their air conditioned houses during the day and they keep their curtains closed to keep out the heat. They only come out at night to jump in the pool...and almost every home seems to have a pool. But the pool water is often hotter than the air...so it's not even refreshing....so back into their sealed up houses they go. And that was an average summer day before global warming. I didn't care for Phoenix. It's a stupid place to have a city...and you're right...the heat radiating off the concrete and asphalt causes the temperature to rise even more...like heat from a hot plate.
 
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flogger said:
And if you look at other locations around the globe you could make an excellent case for the opposite happening

Is there global cooling? The answer might not be what you expected. - Home

But lets look specifically at the US

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It is clear that the 1930s were by far the warmest decade. A decade where global industrial output was suppressed by the great depression
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Silly map. It doesn't include record breaking temperatures past 2006...when most of the record breaking warming and weather events have been occurring?

I think it's the over all average global temperature that is rising...which in turn is causing the oceans to heat up and longer summers and shorter colder winters...strange abnormal weather events....drought...floods...forest fires....ice cap and glaciers melting...rising sea levels...mass extinctions...etc. These are all symptoms of global warming that cannot and should not be ignored because of few nay sayers who still think the earth is flat.
 
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Virginia has been wetter and cooler than any time I can remember.
 
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