Emails: Clinton sought secure smartphone, rebuffed by NSA

ReverendHellh0und · Mar 17, 2016

[h=1]Emails: Clinton sought secure smartphone, rebuffed by NSA[/h]
Emails: Clinton sought secure smartphone, rebuffed by NSA

WASHINGTON (AP) — Newly released emails show a 2009 request to issue a secure government smartphone to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was denied by the National Security Agency.
A month later, she began using private email accounts accessed through her BlackBerry to exchange messages with her top aides.
The messages made public Wednesday were obtained by Judicial Watch, a conservative legal advocacy group that has filed numerous lawsuits seeking the release of federal documents related to Clinton's tenure as the nation's top diplomat.

and as it keeps piling up eventually there wont be any more excuses for this one. It's amazing how much the let her slide.

The fact that she's caught on email telling an aide to strip the classification marking from a secure fax and send nonsecure, then claiming she never sent anything "marked" secure shows a clear intentand knowledge of classfied info on her server.

MrT · Mar 17, 2016

*snoring*

...huh? Oh did something actually happen with the Clinton email situation?

No? It's just another person already convinced that Clinton is guilty propping up another story as proof of their pre-held belief? Ok.

*goes back to sleep*

chuckiechan · Mar 17, 2016

It's probable that the knew about her private server, and chose not to trust her with a pathway into theirs.

zimmer · Mar 17, 2016

ReverendHellh0und said:
and as it keeps piling up eventually there wont be any more excuses for this one. It's amazing how much the let her slide. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The fact that she's caught on email telling an aide to strip the classification marking from a secure fax and send nonsecure, then claiming she never sent anything "marked" secure shows a clear intentand knowledge of classfied info on her server.

She could have used a laptop but... she is Hillary Clinton... and she said **** the security of the United States of America thank you very much.

Resolving the issue was given such priority as to result in a face-to-face meeting between Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills, seven senior State Department staffers with five NSA security experts. According to a summary of the meeting, the request was driven by Clinton's reliance on her BlackBerry for email and keeping track of her calendar. Clinton chose not to use a laptop or desktop computer that could have provided her access to email in her office, according to the summary.

Standard smartphones are not allowed into areas designated as approved for the handling of classified information, such as the block of offices used by senior State Department officials, known by the nickname "Mahogany Row" for the quality of their paneling. Mills said that was inconvenient, because they had to leave their offices and retrieve their phones to check messages.

And this KILLS... the others did it.

Mills also asked about waivers provided during the Bush administration to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her staff to use BlackBerrys in their secure offices. But the NSA had phased out such waivers due to security concerns.

Simply Unfit for Commander in Chief... A bright orange jumpsuit with CONVICT on it is more her speed. Then she might realize what a national security threat and all around **** up she is.

zimmer · Mar 17, 2016

MrT said:
*snoring*

...huh? Oh did something actually happen with the Clinton email situation?

No? It's just another person already convinced that Clinton is guilty propping up another story as proof of their pre-held belief? Ok.

*goes back to sleep*

Thanks for that... as we can see... another responsible voter.

Yet another example of our Amerikan Socialists hard at work learning the facts about their candidate... The Sleeping Beauty Faktion...

Their motto?

Like in a Coma... Nuclear explosions on our side won't wake us... ever.

...Don't drown in your drool.

zimmer · Mar 17, 2016

ReverendHellh0und said:
and as it keeps piling up eventually there wont be any more excuses for this one. It's amazing how much the let her slide. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The fact that she's caught on email telling an aide to strip the classification marking from a secure fax and send nonsecure, then claiming she never sent anything "marked" secure shows a clear intentand knowledge of classfied info on her server.

I smell prosecution... though we've been disappointed before.

There are currently at least 38 lawsuits, including one filed by The Associated Press, seeking records related to Clinton's service as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. On Tuesday, Judicial Watch filed a discovery motion in one of those cases seeking to question eight former State Department staffers under oath, including Mills and Reid. The judge overseeing the case indicated last month he was strongly considering allowing lawyers from the group to question Clinton's former aides.

One has already been granted immunity... these 8... when they start getting an anal exam... will be interesting... as they know there is already one bird singing.

Erod · Mar 17, 2016

Can you imagine how brutally Trump is going to go after Hillary on this if he's nominated?

The man has no filter. These e-mails, Monica Lewinsky, Bill's philandering and sexual assault claims, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, Whitewater, her loss to Obama, her barking, her coughing fits, etc, etc, etc.

We've had little Marco and lyin' Ted. Now it's going to be jailbird Hillary and horndog Bill.

And today's electorate will eat it up obviously.

joG · Mar 17, 2016

ReverendHellh0und said:
and as it keeps piling up eventually there wont be any more excuses for this one. It's amazing how much the let her slide. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The fact that she's caught on email telling an aide to strip the classification marking from a secure fax and send nonsecure, then claiming she never sent anything "marked" secure shows a clear intentand knowledge of classfied info on her server.

Is that to say she couldn't manage to get a secure mobile device as SoS? I wonder, if that demonstrates a trait that we should be looking for in a President.

NonoBadDog · Mar 17, 2016

joG said:
Is that to say she couldn't manage to get a secure mobile device as SoS? I wonder, if that demonstrates a trait that we should be looking for in a President.

Mills also asked about waivers provided during the Bush administration to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her staff to use BlackBerrys in their secure offices. But the NSA had phased out such waivers due to security concerns.

The law and policy changed while Bush was in office.

NonoBadDog · Mar 17, 2016

ReverendHellh0und said:
and as it keeps piling up eventually there wont be any more excuses for this one. It's amazing how much the let her slide. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The fact that she's caught on email telling an aide to strip the classification marking from a secure fax and send nonsecure, then claiming she never sent anything "marked" secure shows a clear intentand knowledge of classfied info on her server.

This changes it form "too stupid to know classified information" to "don't give a damn, I am going to do what I want". That eliminates the intent debate. I bet the FBI will want to know who all was in that meeting. The NSA folks aren't going to fall on their swords for Clinton.

Resolving the issue was given such priority as to result in a face-to-face meeting between Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills, seven senior State Department staffers with five NSA security experts. According to a summary of the meeting, the request was driven by Clinton's reliance on her BlackBerry for email and keeping track of her calendar. Clinton chose not to use a laptop or desktop computer that could have provided her access to email in her office, according to the summary.

If John Bentel was in that meeting he can kiss his ass good bye.

Bentel is now the second former State staffer to decline an interview request from congressional investigators. Last year, Clinton’s top IT staffer, Bryan Pagliano, who personally maintained her server at State, also refused to answer questions. He asserted his Fifth Amendment right before the House Benghazi Committee last September and rebuffed Judiciary and Homeland requests for interviews for their investigations.

His position, according to the letter, would have made him responsible for Clinton’s information management and information technology needs, including perhaps her BlackBerry use.

Mr Person · Mar 17, 2016

Erod said:
Can you imagine how brutally Trump is going to go after Hillary on this if he's nominated?

How brutal can you get with someone for requesting a secure smartphone?

Are we going to have to sit through seven smartphone commissions now?

Erod · Mar 17, 2016

Mr Person said:
How brutal can you get with someone for requesting a secure smartphone?

Are we going to have to sit through seven smartphone commissions now?

Are you serious? Hillary's laundry list of soft spots is endless, especially in the 5th-grade way Trump does his ball-bustin'.

NonoBadDog · Mar 17, 2016

Mr Person said:
How brutal can you get with someone for requesting a secure smartphone?

Are we going to have to sit through seven smartphone commissions now?

Just might since there was no such secure option offered or permitted.

Mills also asked about waivers provided during the Bush administration to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her staff to use BlackBerrys in their secure offices. But the NSA had phased out such waivers due to security concerns.

Mr Person · Mar 17, 2016

Mr Person said:
How brutal can you get with someone for requesting a secure smartphone?

Are we going to have to sit through seven smartphone commissions now?

NonoBadDog said:
Just might since there was no such secure option offered.

So the charge is that she should have known that the NSA had phased out the type of waivers it previously granted under the Bush admit? How dare she!

Honestly folks...

Erod said:
Are you serious? Hillary's laundry list of soft spots is endless, especially in the 5th-grade way Trump does his ball-bustin'.

Yeah. I'm serious. Asking for a waiver that was granted a few years before but which the NSA phased out doesn't sound like a crime to me. Is the idea that knowledge that the waivers were phased out was essential to her tasks as SoS, and therefore, this is some huge thing I should be mad about?

I don't understand what the problem is supposed to be.

Zyphlin · Mar 17, 2016

Mr Person said:
So the charge is that she should have known that the NSA had phased out the type of waivers it previously granted under the Bush admit? How dare she

based on an interview with the judicial watch guy I heard this morning, the issue isn't that she made the request. Nothing is wrong with that. The issue is the NSA made clear that a blackberry isn't secure, they wouldn't be securing it, and they shouldn't be used for her government business. And Hillary acknowledged she "got the memo" about that fact, and yet continued to use her blackberry for her business as SOS

NonoBadDog · Mar 18, 2016

Mr Person said:
So the charge is that she should have known that the NSA had phased out the type of waivers it previously granted under the Bush admit? How dare she!

Honestly folks...

Yeah. I'm serious. Asking for a waiver that was granted a few years before but which the NSA phased out doesn't sound like a crime to me. Is the idea that knowledge that the waivers were phased out was essential to her tasks as SoS, and therefore, this is some huge thing I should be mad about?

I don't understand what the problem is supposed to be.

If it is not permitted to do something you don't do it until you get a waiver. It isn't like Clinton had a waiver and didn't get it renewed. She never had one. Her defense (I was stupid and didn't know) is shot in the ass. Her intent was to disregard the standards and instructions given to her by five senior NSA officials and do whatever she damn well pleased. Her intent was to blatantly bypass and ignore the protocol, statutes, policy and an executive order signed by Obama. Not only did she ignore the guidance given to her but she allowed and maybe even instructed her senior people to do the same. She was denied a waiver. She had a meeting with seven of her senior staff and five people from the NSA and they told her repeatedly that this was not an allowable practice.

Resolving the issue was given such priority as to result in a face-to-face meeting between Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills, seven senior State Department staffers with five NSA security experts. According to a summary of the meeting, the request was driven by Clinton's reliance on her BlackBerry for email and keeping track of her calendar. Clinton chose not to use a laptop or desktop computer that could have provided her access to email in her office, according to the summary.

She was well aware of the NSA guidance that she was given.

Vern · Mar 18, 2016

Mr Person said:
So the charge is that she should have known that the NSA had phased out the type of waivers it previously granted under the Bush admit? How dare she!
.

NBD is operating under the belief that the private server itself is a crime.

Vern · Mar 18, 2016

Zyphlin said:
based on an interview with the judicial watch guy I heard this morning, the issue isn't that she made the request. Nothing is wrong with that. The issue is the NSA made clear that a blackberry isn't secure, they wouldn't be securing it, and they shouldn't be used for her government business. And Hillary acknowledged she "got the memo" about that fact, and yet continued to use her blackberry for her business as SOS

and that's the exact impression the link in the OP gives: "she asked for a secure smartphone, they said no but she did it anyway". there is no rule against having your own email server. that alone blows up the narrative. there is a new rule that if someone does have their own email server they have to CC their .gov address. In addition to there being no rule against having an email server, the .gov is not secured. If she never had her own server, there would still be an investigation into how the info was sent on an unsecure system.

ReverendHellh0und · Mar 18, 2016

Vern said:
NBD is operating under the belief that the private server itself is a crime.

Having a private server for Government business is a crime.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2008-title44/pdf/USCODE-2008-title44-chap31-sec3101.pdf
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-104publ231/html/PLAW-104publ231.htm
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2012-title36-vol3/pdf/CFR-2012-title36-vol3-part1222.pdf
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2009-title18/pdf/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap93-sec1924.pdf

NonoBadDog · Mar 18, 2016

Vern said:
NBD is operating under the belief that the private server itself is a crime.

Where in this whole thread does anyone mention server? I never said it was illegal for anyone to have a server. Please produce the post where I stated that. Put your money where your mouth is.

NonoBadDog · Mar 18, 2016

Vern said:
and that's the exact impression the link in the OP gives: "she asked for a secure smartphone, they said no but she did it anyway". there is no rule against having your own email server.

Smart phone:

Email server:

Bill Clinton's private server:

You don't seem to grasp the simple difference between a server and a smart phone so I provided pictures to make it easier for you.

that alone blows up the narrative.

The only thing that blows up is the notion that you could post an intelligent argument.

there is a new rule that if someone does have their own email server they have to CC their .gov address.

The new rule you refer to, where one has to CC their .gov address, went into effect months after Clinton took office as SoS. It still applied.

the .gov is not secured.

Which is why a person isn't allowed to send classified emails on any network but SIPRNET. There were in excess of 2000 emails with classified information in them on the unsecured private server.

If she never had her own server, there would still be an investigation into how the info was sent on an unsecure system.

Hot damn, you got something right in this post. How the **** did that happen? You are correct, it is illegal to send classified information over the internet so there would be an investigation into the 2069 classified emails that they sent over the internet.

Absentglare · Mar 18, 2016

Mr Person said:
How brutal can you get with someone for requesting a secure smartphone?

Are we going to have to sit through seven smartphone commissions now?

I'm sure it will be part of the republican plan to cut federal bureaucracy- by torching another $10 million of public money on their political attack.

Vern · Mar 18, 2016

NonoBadDog said:
Where in this whole thread does anyone mention server? I never said it was illegal for anyone to have a server. Please produce the post where I stated that. Put your money where your mouth is.

er uh NBD, you started a thread titled " Oama knew that Hillary was using her private email account for business " Here read your first post

NonoBadDog said:
Now how does one not know she is using an authorized email when they get email from someone using an unauthorized email account at least 18 times? Just like she didn't know Top Secret information when she saw it? I doubt Obama can get away with playing stupid.

sure looks you believed she shouldn't be using a private email account. you did call it "unauthorized email account ". I tried to point out that she can have a private email server. You weren't very receptive to this information. I got this in response

NonoBadDog said:
ooooooooo Vern. Now you know that what you are saying is hopeless wishfulness. I would hope that I could help you with the denial of the issue but you are a grown man so you make your own choices.

It really looks like you think she's not allowed to have a private email server because as usual your reply was about me instead of what I posted. And this thread is based on the false narrative that Hillary used a smartphone after she was told not to. So now that you seem to understand belatedly that she can indeed have a private email server, please explain to the OP that she can certainly use a smartphone to access that private email server.

Vern · Mar 18, 2016

NonoBadDog said:
[The new rule you refer to, where one has to CC their .gov address, went into effect months after Clinton took office as SoS. It still applied.

well now that you're up to speed on the fact that Hillary can certainly have a private email server, lets get you up to speed on the rules that took effect after Hillary left. It wasn't newsworthy so there wasnt alot of articles. Heres a link to WSJ article. Its behind a paywall but you can read the title that shows you once again posting things because you wish it was true or as you would say "hopeless wishfulness".

Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Use Came Before Recent Rule Changes - WSJ

Oh, and don't forget, you need to explain to ReverendH that he started a thread based on a lie.

NonoBadDog · Mar 18, 2016

Vern said:
er uh NBD, you started a thread titled " Oama knew that Hillary was using her private email account for business " Here read your first post

And she used her private email for business. He got 22 emails from her with her private email address on it. The President chose to not release the emails.

And this thread is based on the false narrative that Hillary used a smartphone after she was told not to. So now that you seem to understand belatedly that she can indeed have a private email server, please explain to the OP that she can certainly use a smartphone to access that private email server.

You want to split hairs here. She was not authorized to use a Black Berry for classified information. The only person with an authorized secure blackberry is Obama. Hillary was told she was not going to get one because of the cost and infrastructure it would take to give her one in the State Department. She wasn't told not to. She was told she couldn't.

It really looks like you think she's not allowed to have a private email server because as usual your reply was about me instead of what I posted.

Here is my post that you quoted where I said it was illegal for Clinton to have a private server.

NonoBadDog said:
State Dept. Withholding 18 Emails Between Hillary, Obama | The Daily Caller
Now how does one not know she is using an authorized email when they get email from someone using an unauthorized email account at least 18 times? Just like she didn't know Top Secret information when she saw it? I doubt Obama can get away with playing stupid.

Where do I state that it was illegal for her to have a private server? You have it all screwed around again. Email is different than a server. Using an internet email account to send classified information is unauthorized so it would make her internet email account an unauthorized email account for the purpose of sending classified information or avoiding the archival requirement. You even said so:

Vern said:
and that's the exact impression the link in the OP gives: "she asked for a secure smartphone, they said no but she did it anyway". there is no rule against having your own email server. that alone blows up the narrative. there is a new rule that if someone does have their own email server they have to CC their .gov address. In addition to there being no rule against having an email server, the .gov is not secured. If she never had her own server, there would still be an investigation into how the info was sent on an unsecure system.

In your last post at least you were right on one thing. This post was a total fail.

sure looks you believed she shouldn't be using a private email account. you did call it "unauthorized email account ". I tried to point out that she can have a private email server. You weren't very receptive to this information. I got this in response
This is what you posted:

Vern said:
Nono, thanks for showing that conservative narratives flailing at Hillary are just a mish mosh of lies, spin and delusion. Her private email server was not "unauthorized". The secretary of State can still have his/her own server. And the info she got was not labeled "Top Secret". that's why she's not a target of the FBI investigation.

The wishful thinking I was talking about was the bolded. You were in error there. She was and still is the object of the FBI investigation.

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