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Donald Trump: 'I think Islam hates us'

Cavendish said:
If you really believed this you would oppose the Islamization of Europe - millions of illegal Muslim aliens demanding that Europe conform to their "culture".

But you don't. You just despise the U.S.
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*gasp!* You found out our nefarious plan to take over the world! Why, I bet you even know about those black helicopters we've got just hovering just over the ridge not far from your house, ready to swoop in and spray you and yours with our patented "Make-'em-Gay-Muslims" ray guns!
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Good for you - then you KNOW firsthand that developed, stable Muslim nations are safe places to take one's family...and your experience is backed up by the hard numbers.

That said, your complaint that you can't do this or that in public there is of ZERO effect - it's THEIR nation, not yours. You go to a different nation and violate that nation's laws, no matter what those laws may be, and what happens to you is YOUR fault, not theirs. If you don't like the way they do things, then don't go there. Sure, while you were in the military you had the SOFA protecting you...but as a civilian, you go to a different nation, you abide by THAT nation's laws...and you accept whatever punishment you get for violating those laws.

Having been there, you should readily understand and accept this. It reminds me of when some teenage American kid decided to spray-paint a bunch of cars in Singapore, and was sentenced to caning. This happened just after my ship had had a port visit there, and not a single one of us felt the least bit sorry for the kid - it's THEIR nation, so when you are there, you have zero room to gripe about THEIR laws.

But the FACT - repeat, FACT - of the matter is it's generally safer to walk down the street in stable, developed Muslim nations than in most of America. That, sir, is a true statement.
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You funny. Did you see me 'griping' about laws? You made a statement re safety. I pointed out some pretty clear examples where your safety can be at risk for something as simple as reading a bible in public (and I used that example after you brought religion and the practice of Christianity up).

You are real pleasure to talk to.
 
VanceMack said:
You funny. Did you see me 'griping' about laws? You made a statement re safety. I pointed out some pretty clear examples where your safety can be at risk for something as simple as reading a bible in public (and I used that example after you brought religion and the practice of Christianity up).

You are real pleasure to talk to.
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So your argument is, "those are not safe nations if you break the laws there"? Really? THAT is going to be your argument?
 
Cavendish said:
Are you implying that American cities with large non-white populations are less safe than "developed and stable Muslim nations"? Why are you so racist?
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Cavendish,

GC's position is very simple. He believes Muslim nations are more peaceful and stable than Christian nations. He honestly believe countries in the Middle East are more stable and safe than countries like the U.S, Canada, etc..
 
Bucky said:
Cavendish,

GC's position is very simple. He believes Muslim nations are more peaceful and stable than Christian nations. He honestly believe countries in the Middle East are more stable and safe than countries like the U.S, Canada, etc..
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Interesting. I assume you can link a post saying such.
 
MrT said:
Meanwhile Trump's favorability ratings continue on a downward trend. Seriously though, what has gone so wrong for the Republican electorate that they would nominate someone so severely disliked by the general population?

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So far, Republicans have not nominated Mr. Trump for President.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
So your argument is, "those are not safe nations if you break the laws there"? Really? THAT is going to be your argument?
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In fact his argument was quite clear and its surprising you didn't pick up on it. He said, "I pointed out some pretty clear examples where your safety can be at risk for something as simple as reading a bible in public".

See that? He said your safety could be at risk. However we can also look at the lack of freedoms in some of these countries to practice your own faith. There is a reason why so many people associate Muslim led countries with the third world.
 
tres borrachos said:
Donald Trump: "I think..."

Er, no.
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That's temptingly easy to do, and its even kinda funny, but you ought to express your dislike for Trump based on facts, not fiction. He is no dummy. And neither are all who support him.

I mostly lurk here, and calling the other side dumb is almost always a lame argument. I expect more from you. 😀
 
Deuce said:
Interesting. I assume you can link a post saying such.
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Glen Contrarian said:
for all that we don't like about their societies, its MUCH safer to walk down the street in a stable Muslim nation than it is to walk down the street in any major American city.
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Glen Contrarian said:
The answer is "No" if all you can think of is religious extremists...but if you look at the great majority of those who follow that religion, the answer would be "yes". And the proof is Indonesia, a third-world nation with 100M more people than America...and with a lower homicide rate than any state in the union. Does it mean that Islam is perfect? Of course not...but until oh-so-"Christian" America, with all our wealth, becomes as peaceful as officially-Muslim Indonesia, we have zero room to call Islam a violent religion.
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So GC's best example of a modern Muslim country is Indonesia:

70% of Indonesia's muslims believe in Shariah Law

50% of Indonesia's muslims believe in stoning adulterers and amputating thieves.

And these are the moderates!
 
starcitizen said:
The overwhelming majority of Muslims hate Jews, homosexuals, and support Sharia, is this really such a stretch?
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Depends on who, what, where. Yes, there is a significant level of antisemitism among Muslim populations but that is not a fast rule. Bernie Sanders is a Jew and he beat Hillary in Michigan with the help of the Muslim vote. That right there debunks using broad-brush characterizations.

It's also not factual for those who say the opposite, that there isn't any prevailing/predominant feelings about Jews from Muslims in the Middle East.
 
Islam gained sentience?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Problem is, guy, y'all look at what's going on in Syria and Iraq and somehow think that it's that way in every Muslim nation...never realizing those nations are the exceptions to the rule. But you didn't know that, did you? Of course not, if all the news you get is telling you how terrible and violent all the Muslim nations are.
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You mention Syria and Iraq being the "exceptions to the rule."

Afghanistan
Iran
Kosovo
Libya
Jordan
Egypt
Palestine
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Sudan

You forgot those Muslim countries GC
 
DA60 said:
Really?
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Yes really.

Since you have no way of knowing what the roughly 1 billion Muslims in the world think, then your statement is totally baseless.
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No, it's actually based upon all available polling data:

Arab and Muslim Perceptions of the United States | Pew Research Center

On homosexuality the overwhelming majority of Muslims view homosexuality as a sin:

Muslim Views on Morality | Pew Research Center

On Anti-Semitism the majority of Muslims have a negative view of Jews:

Antisemitism | Pew Research Center

On theocracy the majority of Muslims surveyed want Sharia to be the official law of the land:

Muslim Beliefs About Sharia | Pew Research Center

On anti-Semitism:

The only representative comparative survey of different European countries that distinguishes between Muslims and non-Muslims was conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project in April 2006.5 Unfortunately, only a single ques- tion was used to measure antisemitic attitudes.6 The study showed that Muslims in France, Germany, and Spain were twice as likely as non-Muslims to harbor negative views of Jews. The factor was almost seven for Great Britain. The dif- ference is even greater concerning “very unfavorable” views of Jews. In 2006, Muslims were three to ten times more likely to harbor “very unfavorable” views of Jews than did non-Muslims in France, Germany, and Great Britain. The factor was slightly lower in Spain, where negative views of Jews were by far the highest among both Muslims (60 percent) and the general population (39 percent). Other surveys confirm particularly high levels of antisemitic attitudes in Spain in the general population.7

http://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads...emitic_Attitudes_among_Muslims_in_Europe1.pdf

On homophobia:

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance towards homosexual acts compared to their counterparts in France and Germany, according to a survey published today. The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. By comparison, 35% of French Muslims found homosexual acts to be acceptable. A question on pornography also elicited different reactions, with French and German Muslims more likely than British Muslims to believe that watching or reading pornography was morally acceptable.


Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll | UK news | The Guardian

On theocracy:

According to the study (German and English), which was funded by the German government, two thirds (65%) of the Muslims interviewed say Islamic Sharia law is more important to them than the laws of the country in which they live.

Three quarters (75%) of the respondents hold the opinion that there is only one legitimate interpretation of the Koran, which should apply to all Muslims, and nearly 60% of Muslims believe their community should return to "Islamic roots."

The survey shows that 44% of the Moroccans and Turks interviewed agree with all three of the above statements, which makes them "consistent fundamentalists," and fundamentalist attitudes are just as widespread among younger Muslims as they are among older Muslims.

According to the study, Islamic fundamentalism is most pronounced in Austria, where 73% of Muslims interviewed say Sharia law is more important than the secular laws of the state; 79% say there is only one correct interpretation of the Koran that should apply to all, and 65% believe Muslims should return to their Islamic roots. In Austria, 55% of the Muslims surveyed say they agree with all three of the above statements.

Europe: Islamic Fundamentalism is Widespread
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Been to the sandbox many times, the last of which was in 2000. But I've got several family members in the region - two in Riyadh, two in Dubai - and they're safe and happy...and each of them adhere to Christianity.

Problem is, guy, y'all look at what's going on in Syria and Iraq and somehow think that it's that way in every Muslim nation...never realizing those nations are the exceptions to the rule. Look up the homicide rate in the most populous Muslim nation on the planet - Indonesia - sometime...and then compare it to the homicide rates of all American states, and you know what?
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Homicide rates coming from Indonesia are not accurate or complete. They are a non-transparent country and their police and courts are corrupt to the core.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
1. They're not and never have been treated like "regular white Americans". If you had half the understanding you think you do of what they face, you'd know that. To be sure, it's getting better...but slowly.

2. You're using the old conservative shtick that Dems don't care about them...which is every bit as wrong as claiming that Republicans don't care about America. We all do care, we all do give a damn...but we just differ wildly about what's best for the people.

3. And if you still think that liberals don't give a damn about blacks, try looking up when the 13th Amendment was finally officially ratified by Mississippi. If you don't know already, then the answer should at least make you raise an eyebrow...unless you're one of those who would repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, of course.
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Then why are American Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, etc, doing so damn much better than black Americans?

Because Democrats need them where they have them. That's why.
 
Fishking said:
Depends on who, what, where. Yes, there is a significant level of antisemitism among Muslim populations but that is not a fast rule. Bernie Sanders is a Jew and he beat Hillary in Michigan with the help of the Muslim vote. That right there debunks using broad-brush characterizations.

It's also not factual for those who say the opposite, that there isn't any prevailing/predominant feelings about Jews from Muslims in the Middle East.
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I didn't say "all" I said the "overwhelming majority" and the statistics back me up. And the reason why Muslims voted for Sanders is because like other far left Jewish radical activists; such as Chomsky and Finkelstein, Sanders hates Israel.

Sanders To Dearborn Muslims: Israel's Existence To Blame For Mideast 'Hatred And Warfare' | Daily Wire
 
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I am hardly a Bill Maher fan but even he gets it:

 
Gee, I wonder why. After all, the U.S has only been wreaking havoc in the Arab/Muslim world for the past 2-3 decades.

Iraqis hate the U.S? savages.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Trumps xenophobia notwithstanding... there will always be a conversation we should have on a serious level on all of the required tolerances for a more multiculturalism setting to even be plausible anywhere.

It is a bit much to reach the conclusion that "Islam hates the US," but that does not mean we get to ignore the conversation of any culture that demands a series of tolerances and conditions but might not be so giving in handing out return favors. It is a very debatable subject, even though we can be for certain that Trump himself is probably not all that interested in it.
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If Trump meant that Islam is incompatible with US values he did not go far enough. The religion, philosophy and political programme of Islam runs contrary to Western post-enlightenment values of science, openness and freedoms of belief and expression, not only in the US but all civilised states.

A poster has ignorantly mocked the notion that Islam wishes to take over the entire world. Far from being an invention or exaggeration the aim of world supremacy is central to Islam.
 
cAPSLOCK said:
That's temptingly easy to do, and its even kinda funny, but you ought to express your dislike for Trump based on facts, not fiction. He is no dummy. And neither are all who support him.

I mostly lurk here, and calling the other side dumb is almost always a lame argument. I expect more from you. ��
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Why you quoted my post and decide it was calling you dumb is beyond me. I didn't say a thing about you, about Trump supporters, or anything other than Trump doesn't think. Unless you're Donald Trump, your faux outrage says more about you than about me. Paranoia isn't healthy.

And no, he does NOT think before he says stupid things like this. If that offends you that I insulted Donald, too bad.
 
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