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Outrage in Paradise after cop shoots crashed drunk driver

ocean515 said:
As I wrote earlier, your thoughts on this are so out there, there is little purpose to continue. Thanks for the exchange.

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No doubt you will continue to believe that the social status of the accused and that of the victim never impact the decisions made by authorities. In your world, Kennedy's social status had no impact on how that investigation was handled. Likewise the low social status of a victim had never impacted an investigation- right?

You can continue to remain in denial, or you can courageously accept that I am correct. Dont worry, I wont tell anybody about your mental block- at least not too many people. Confession is good for the soul. I"ll wait for your PM. :2razz:
 
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Ikari said:
I don’t think they guy died, so it isn’t murder. It wouldn’t be murder 1 because it wasn’t premeditated. But it was covered up, he tried to claim the guy was uncooperative after he shot him, he made a bad shot. So there’s all sorts of proper charges from reckless endangerment, improper use of firearm, assault, conspiracy, etc.

He should be charged, he should be in jail; but he won’t be because he’s a cop.
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Oh, duh, you're right about the first sentence. He survived, it was the passenger who died (and that, from the accident).



But about deliberate premeditation: the phrase might lead you to conclude that this means you've got to mull things over for a while, but it generally can be formed within a second or seconds...

Of course, the jury would have to actually conclude that it was formed in a second.
 
I'm generally quite supportive of police in most cases where they are carrying out their assigned duties. This, however, has not been fully explained to my liking and looks to me, from what's presented, to require a criminal investigation of the officer by an independent party.

My only thought that might explain the officer is that he must have been called to attend to some issue - a reported drunk driver, a robbery, or some other crime in process because he zips out of the parking lot and after several twists and turns just happens to arrive on the scene of a rollover. That's some coincidence if he wasn't directed to that location. If he was directed to that location for a specific reason, it's not unreasonable to use force to detain a suspect who appears to be fleeing an accident/crime. I'm not saying that's what happened, only suggesting a possibility. I can't imagine a rational reason why the officer would draw his gun approaching such an accident and discharging it immediately upon seeing someone exiting the vehicle otherwise.
 
Mr Person said:
but it generally can be formed within a second or seconds...

Of course, the jury would have to actually conclude that it was formed in a second.
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Yeah....that's not really premeditation. In that case, you're looking more at 2nd degree. I mean, you can make the argument that for our limbs to do anything, such as pull a trigger, it needs a command from the brain. So every single action we take is "premeditated".
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm generally quite supportive of police in most cases where they are carrying out their assigned duties. This, however, has not been fully explained to my liking and looks to me, from what's presented, to require a criminal investigation of the officer by an independent party.

My only thought that might explain the officer is that he must have been called to attend to some issue - a reported drunk driver, a robbery, or some other crime in process because he zips out of the parking lot and after several twists and turns just happens to arrive on the scene of a rollover. That's some coincidence if he wasn't directed to that location. If he was directed to that location for a specific reason, it's not unreasonable to use force to detain a suspect who appears to be fleeing an accident/crime. I'm not saying that's what happened, only suggesting a possibility. I can't imagine a rational reason why the officer would draw his gun approaching such an accident and discharging it immediately upon seeing someone exiting the vehicle otherwise.
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That's some pretty sick and twisted logic. If a car is flipped on it's side or upside down anyone with a will to live is going to get out ASAP. That's not fleeing a scene. The mental gymnastics you just pulled to try to find a justification for this shooting is truly impressive.
 
reinoe said:
That's some pretty sick and twisted logic. If a car is flipped on it's side or upside down anyone with a will to live is going to get out ASAP. That's not fleeing a scene. The mental gymnastics you just pulled to try to find a justification for this shooting is truly impressive.
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It's not sick and twisted logic at all. As I said, I don't know why this officer was called to the scene - do you? Do you think he just coincidentally happened upon it while barreling down the streets taking several turns along the way? I think it's pretty logical to think it's possible this officer was called to attend to something in this area and perhaps it was a drunk driver driving dangerously and that's how he came upon this accident that appeared to just happen.

I've seen lots of police take downs that were filmed either by police or news helicopters or whatever where a fleeing suspect crashes and attempts to leave the vehicle and police have had to shoot to stop the suspect from getting away. This was one officer arriving at a scene and acting. As I said as well, the only logical rational for his actions would be if he was actively pursuing a suspect and he was concerned this suspect was going to get away.

What's pretty sick and twisted is that you always seem to believe the very worst of any police interaction with the public, regardless of the underlying circumstances. In your world, police officers drive up to traffic accidents and execute people involved for no reason other than it was a nice night to hunt humans. I appreciate there are some pretty sick human beings in this world but I can't believe police officers think and do things the way you visualize them.

I support this officer being charged with reckless endangerment and improper discharge of his firearm if he was not actively in pursuit of a suspected criminal. His actions following the actual shooting add suspicion to the shooting but then I have no idea what he was looking for on the ground. Do you?

I believe there has to be more to the story and I'd like to hear it.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I've seen lots of police take downs that were filmed either by police or news helicopters or whatever where a fleeing suspect crashes and attempts to leave the vehicle and police have had to shoot to stop the suspect from getting away. This was one officer arriving at a scene and acting. As I said as well, the only logical rational for his actions would be if he was actively pursuing a suspect and he was concerned this suspect was going to get away.

What's pretty sick and twisted is that you always seem to believe the very worst of any police interaction with the public, regardless of the underlying circumstances. In your world, police officers drive up to traffic accidents and execute people involved for no reason other than it was a nice night to hunt humans. I appreciate there are some pretty sick human beings in this world but I can't believe police officers think and do things the way you visualize them.
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This was not a suspect trying to flee a crime scene. This was a human being trying to get out of an incredibly dangerous situation because the car was turned over.

You can't imagine the way police officers think? When you come realize that police can get away with unjustified killings on camera then you'll truly understand that in a world without accountability people will act out. This was murder and if it was an accident the cop wouldn't have tried to hide what he did.
 
We are often immersed in an anti (federal) government mood from some Americans, but it's for situations like this (crooked locals) that we need to have feds to step-in & provide oversight.

We've just seen the same thing in Chicago, recently.
 
reinoe said:
This was not a suspect trying to flee a crime scene. This was a human being trying to get out of an incredibly dangerous situation because the car was turned over.

You can't imagine the way police officers think? When you come realize that police can get away with unjustified killings on camera then you'll truly understand that in a world without accountability people will act out. This was murder and if it was an accident the cop wouldn't have tried to hide what he did.
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I don't know the details - I suspect neither do you - but if you have detail that proves this officer just happened upon this scene coincidentally, I'll happily review it. I simply provided a plausible scenario in an attempt to understand what the officer was doing. I'm not offering the scenario as fact.
 
celticwar17 said:
The video is awful... The cop probably sacrificed chickens to the gods in thanks that the guy was not black... otherwise this would have been a huge deal imo
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So you believe it's not a big deal if a police officer murders an injured citizen for no goddamned reason.
 
CanadaJohn said:
..... zips out of the parking lot and after several twists and turns just happens to arrive on the scene of a rollover. That's some coincidence if he wasn't directed to that location......
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CanadaJohn said:
.....no reason other than it was a nice night to hunt humans......
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CanadaJohn said:
I don't know the details....
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.......Andrew Thomas, 26, made a deadly decision to get behind the wheel after he’d been drinking on Thanksgiving night. With his 23-year-old wife, Darien Ehorn in the passenger’s seat, Thomas left the Canteena Bar and was immediately pursued by Paradise police officer Patrick Feaster......
Read more at Cops Shoots Unarmed Man on Video, for No Reason then Covers it Up and Won’t be Charged | The Free Thought Project
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Mabe he was hunting that night, he was positioned in the skyway antique mall parking lot, several hundred feet down the road and accross the from the bar. In the begining of the video(op) the cruiser with it lights out, drives over a sidewalk and off a curb to reach the street. He doesn't turn on the headlights until he is well onto the street.

This was his hiding spot: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7552721,-121.6270858,3a,30y,142.39h,79.45t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sBRZcSLe6sHF6fQeAo0pQ4w!2e0

Ironically, the suspect was reportedly pursued because he exited the bar parking lot with his lights out.

Maybe the officer should be cited for driving on the sidewalk and driving without headlights as well? Besided the murder thing.
 
Deuce said:
So you believe it's not a big deal if a police officer murders an injured citizen for no goddamned reason.
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When the hell did I say that?
 
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celticwar17 said:
When the hell did I say that?
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Well there wasn't any indication the cop thinks what you claimed so I assumed it must be something you came up with. And why would you come up with that?
 
Utility Man said:
:doh



Below is a video of the incident:



Seems outrageous, looks like a execution, but what do I know.

And from Free Thought Project:



Any thougts or comments ?
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It was an execution. Pure and simple. I'm not surprised it was a cop from California who did it either- the state has got the worst cops ever.
 
From 1:07 to 1:09. He cant even claim he thought he saw something in his hand. Obviously he overreacted. Obviously he shot the man without cause.

Less than 2 seconds and several peoples worlds are shattered. Thats pretty amazing when you think about.
 
celticwar17 said:
oh so there is such a thing as race baiting? Good to hear... maybe you should inform the entire left wing.
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The "left wing" doesn't like it when ANYONE gets shot by cops in such a ridiculous fashion as this. Save your idiotic strawman arguments for someone stupid enough to believe them.
 
Any change from the prosecution yet? Will they sue the executing cop or is their defense of him final?
 
Homicide and let the jury decide whether it is manslaughter or murder. There was no justification for it and it most certainly was not an "accident".
 
Peter King said:
Homicide and let the jury decide whether it is manslaughter or murder. There was no justification for it and it most certainly was not an "accident".
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I dont think the dude died.
 
You'd think the cop's first reaction would be to try to help the dude who was just in a car accident.
 
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