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Flag burners get attacked by bikers[W:634]

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OrphanSlug said:
Not so sure we should be cheering this. I do not like US flag burning either, but what concerns me more is an individual's right to do so. Agree with the decision or not, the Supreme Court has ruled on is matter. The decision went so far as to say it is unconstitutional for a government (federal, state or local) to prohibit by law the desecration of the US flag. Symbolic speech (I think that was the term used in the decision) is covered by the action, or a statement made. When we cheer the intimidation by these bikers we cheer the suppression of rights even though a government was not involved, rights come with the inherent consequence that you will not like or agree with all you hear and see on the account of others. I am all for these bikers expressing their dissatisfaction with this and making that known to these protestors, but intimidation of other's rights is a road we do not want to go down.

Might be a story that makes you smile now (I'll admit, I did,) but it does not end well when you really think about what we are cheering.
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The Constitution is not a comprehensive guide to behavior. One does not burn our country's flag without consequence.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The Constitution is not a comprehensive guide to behavior. One does not burn our country's flag without consequence.
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Perhaps social consequence for those who burn the flag. But the consequence cannot be assault without repercussions for the perpetrators(those doing the assault)
 
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Fruityfact said:
Perhaps social consequence for those who burn the flag. But the consequence cannot be assault without repercussions for the perpetrators(those doing the assault)
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I confess I'm unconcerned by that.
 
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Grant said:
Expect to see more of it. In case you missed it here's some photos of the left's 'law abiding citizens
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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A certain someone's avatar seems to be pretty generally "okay" with violence. :D

 
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Fruityfact said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Perhaps not, but they can make for a confrontation.

So far the Left has had a free ride through violence, intimidation, muckraking and so on, even against groups as harmless as The Tea Party. Now the 'Right' and the 'Middle' may be responding in kind, tired of all the leftist craziness destroying their country and its traditions. Look at those people who are standing with the bikers and that may give you an idea of what's really going on.
 
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Mob rule is unjustified.

However, I offer no sympathy and privately think you are perhaps a traitor. As such, The only flag that should be publicly burned is the Confederate flag.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The Constitution is not a comprehensive guide to behavior. One does not burn our country's flag without consequence.
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I did not say no consequence, I said intimidation away from one's rights. Please read the post again. There is a difference no matter how much you put forth an argument to suspend one's rights when you do not like the message. All you have done is put forth a majority rules approach to when freedom of speech should be diminished.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
I did not say no consequence, I said intimidation away from one's rights. Please read the post again. There is a difference no matter how much you put forth an argument to suspend one's rights when you do not like the message. All you have done is put forth a majority rules approach to when freedom of speech should be diminished.
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As a matter of rights I understand. As a matter of concern I don't care.
 
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Jack Hays said:
As a matter of rights I understand. As a matter of concern I don't care.
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I do, I see the quickest road to fascism. Where majority restricts the rights of a minority with what speech is no longer protected because of being offended by the message.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
I do, I see the quickest road to fascism. Where majority restricts the rights of a minority with what speech is no longer protected because of being offended by the message.
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In a big rough country like the US there will always be a role for street justice.
 
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JANFU said:
A citizen is not disloyal when demonstrating against what they feel to be wrong with a Govt policy. The Vietnam War was one that I can refer to. Iraq War 2 another.
Flag burners as many on the so called left have stated are idiots, but they are not breaking any laws.
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Hogwash. Administrations and their policies are temporary. This country's flag has never represented any policy, but rather the United States itself and the principles it stands for, as expressed in our Constitution. About one million men have died defending those principles in this country's wars, and anyone who burns the flag might as well be spitting on their graves. Any person who would do that deserves the utter contempt of every true American.

The right of these curs to defile our flag was bought with the blood of men whose shoes they are not fit to shine. Of course they are not breaking any laws by doing that, because no law can prohibit speech protected by the First Amendment. But that does not make these people any less loathsome, any less disloyal, or any less deserving of getting their damned front teeth knocked out--or worse. I am never surprised to see collectivists leap to their defense, because they share their contempt of the United States. So does this Marxist president.
 
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matchlight said:
Of course they are not breaking any laws. No law can prohibit speech protected by the First Amendment. But that does not make them any less loathsome, or any less deserving of getting the G--damned front teeth knocked out.
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So freedom comes with certain do's and don'ts?
Myself I find flag burning to be offensive & disgusting , but to treat them with violence is more disgusting.
 
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JANFU said:
So freedom comes with certain do's and don'ts?
Myself I find flag burning to be offensive & disgusting , but to treat them with violence is more disgusting.
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Everyone has their priorities

for some, the constitution and the rights it protects come first

For others, the constitution only matters when it protects.people they agree with
 
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Kobie said:
And guess what happens to these "leftists" who protest violently. They get arrested and tossed in the hoosegow if they get caught, that's what.

Your pathetically hackish attempt at deflection is duly noted and summarily dismissed.
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Protest is one thing. Doing things to deliberately piss others off is going to far.
 
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Kobie said:
You know what does gaurantee their safety? Laws against assault. Throw those thug bikers in jail.
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Having seen you express your opinion of this country here many times, I am not surprised to see you try to defend people who burned its flag. Three cheers for the men who chased these cowards away.
 
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JANFU said:
So freedom comes with certain do's and don'ts?
Myself I find flag burning to be offensive & disgusting , but to treat them with violence is more disgusting.
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I'd like to see anyone try to prosecute people for defending the flag against commie rats like those. Only their cowardice saved them from getting the living hell beaten out of them. I salute my fellow motorcyclists!
 
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sangha said:
Everyone has their priorities

for some, the constitution and the rights it protects come first

For others, the constitution only matters when it protects.people they agree with
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I think it's clear from your posts which group you and Anthony Kennedy belong in.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Protest is one thing. Doing things to deliberately piss others off is going to far.
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Well that's a pretty loose interpretation of the first amendment
 
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Fiddytree said:
Mob rule is unjustified.

However, I offer no sympathy and privately think you are perhaps a traitor. As such, The only flag that should be publicly burned is the Confederate flag.
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Leave the Stars and Bars alone! It deserves to fly high and proud.
 
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matchlight said:
I think it's clear from your posts which group you and Anthony Kennedy belong in.
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Says the guy cheerleading when people are beaten for exercising their rights.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Protest is one thing. Doing things to deliberately piss others off is going to far.
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Well it is that damn gray area.

Burning the US flag is going to piss people off. I guess it is their legal right but it is my legal right to wear a KKK sheet to Watts, California.
But I am not that naive or stupid to do either.

What was their goal? Did they really think by burning the flag they would see changes? No, it was to piss people off.
So they pissed off some bikers and the bikers were wrong in what they did by attacking them as that leaves them to possible arrest.

And on the other side you have the idiots having the Muhammad Cartoon contest outside a Mosque in Phoenix. It is all just to piss the other side off.

Who has time for such foolishness? So much idle time to be farting around with. They should clean up litter in their city roads as a protest but then that would be actual manual labor which would be foreign to the morons.
 
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