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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This is news to me. Pardon my ignorance, but could you provide a credible link that documents Israel's sale of nuclear weapons to hostile nations?
    Nuclear technology, not weapons. And the country was South Africa. This is a well known fact.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I don't know, it might have something to do with the fact Americans don't gather in the streets on a daily basis to chant "death to Iran".
    Naw they are too fat and lazy to do that, so they do it online and their politicians do it daily on tv and in their congress.

    Face it, you are defending a dolt with really stupid ideas
    Not defending anything. I am pointing out the huge double standard this whole case has.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    More like because the US isn't an active supporter of terrorist organizations supplying arms and funding?
    Err it aint? US supported the Afghan rebels who warped into the Taliban.. one of the rebels was Osama Bin Laden, who then started Al Q along with others who lived under oppresive regimes backed by the US.. politically and certainly economically. Then the US invaded Iraq, not once but twice, and took out Saddam, a brutal dictator but one that at least kept radicals down.. out of the power vacum came ISIS and well... see where I am going?

    Or do you welcome the idea of Hezbollah gaining a nuclear weapon or a dirty bomb? And consider such as a stabilizing development in the ME?
    Again, Hezbollah is a reaction to Israeli aggression and occupation of Lebanese land. It is Israel's problem, not mine. Hezbollah has never attacked outside its small geographic area. Also Israel is the destabalizing element in the ME, not Hezebollah.. cause Hezbellah would not exist if it had not been for Israeli aggression against Lebanon.

    We can go on and on if you want.. the double standard is beyond epic in this case, like most **** in the ME.
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nuclear technology, not weapons. And the country was South Africa. This is a well known fact.
    You claimed nuclear weapons were sold. So now South Africa is a hostile nation, is it? Hostile to whom?

    Good to see you're at least backtracking from that nuclear weapons lie. Canada also sells nuclear technology to countries around the world. Guess we're evil too.
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nuclear technology, not weapons. And the country was South Africa. This is a well known fact.
    If its so widely known than the proof is a click away...so go click.

    We all know there isn't going to be any click, no posting of a link, because the only link is in your head.

    There is ONE case of nuclear technology having been taken and used to make weapons, it was Pakistan.....and you will never ever guess who was the inadvertent culprit....not your hated US, South Africa, not Israel.....but......

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL if anyone cares less about treaties it is the US... just ask the Mexican government.
    Be explicit. I'm always interested.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except nobody has suggested isolationism. And true to winger ideology, engagement can ONLY mean war.
    I disagree. You may think so, but that's hardly the only option for engagement that's typically used. While military action may always be on the table, it, most appropriately, is the last one used by either side of the political isle.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's besides my point that regardless, the US will be blaming any failure on Iran.
    At this point, the U.S. would be justified under such circumstances. If Iran claims their nuclear ambitions are for peaceful energy usage, medical and scientific research only, they shouldn't have a problem providing verifiable proof that's exactly what they're constructing nuclear energy to do.

    I understand the counter argument here - that if the situation were reversed neither the U.S. nor the P5 countries involved in these negotiations would be so willing to open up their military and/or research facilities - but those who hold such a view miss the point. Neither we nor the P5 countries have threatening to use nuclear weapons against another country, nor have we/are they been sponsors of terrorism and, as such, refuse to denounce future participation in such terrorist activities or sponsorship thereto.

    So, if the negotiations do fall apart, you can't say the U.S. (Pres. Obama) didn't try. I don't think asking Iran to verify their activities prior to loosing sanctions incrementally is too much to ask.

    However, Montecresto makes a very valid point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    [“Unfortunately, we are witnessing many changes of stances, excessive demands and also different stances of several P5-plus-1 member states...”]This complaint from Iran seems to me very legitimate. The US, UK, China, Russia, France and Germany no doubt have conflicting interests in this. Seems perfectly reasonable that Iran would expect the group of six would present them with a co-operative expectation for compliance:

    He said the disagreements came to a head this week, as the Iranian negotiators have struggled to come to terms with conflicting demands from the six.

    “There have been changes of position, and multiple positions,” he said. Iran was being forced to try to make a series of bilateral deals, rather than trying to negotiate with a group that had a common position, he said.

    Iran says world powers are divided and backtracking in nuclear talks - LA Times
    So, if the U.S./P5 negotiations keep moving the goal post as it were and can't seem to agree on terms amongst even themselves, how do you expect the Iranian delegate to accept an unreasonably structured agreement? I'd say the principle negotiators need to get their act together and fast!
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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And why should they?

    Lets make a deal... if Iran has to give away with such scrutiny.. why does the US and Israel not open up their civilian and military nuclear projects to the exact same verification?
    Russia and the US have treaties to ascertain nukes and such.
    Israel is not a signatory to the Nuke agreements -Non proliferation treaty- yet received their knowledge from Pakistan and North Korea. Both non signatories- NK withdrew from the traty years ago
    Israel has made no secret they have nukes- they neither confirm nor deny.
    Iran has made repeated attempts to gain that ability.
    Iran has refused IAEA inspections.
    The West does not want Iran to achieve the same capabilities as NK.
    And I am sure you can figure out why. Right?
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    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Iran Opens Campaign to Lay Blame on U.S. if Nuclear Talks Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I disagree. You may think so, but that's hardly the only option for engagement that's typically used. While military action may always be on the table, it, most appropriately, is the last one used by either side of the political isle.
    But why must the end result in this situation be war? Wouldn't keeping the sanctions in place be more reasonable than fighting Iran when we opened these negotiations in the first place? Why should failure to reach an agreement necessitate going to war?
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