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SC Confederate Flag Taken Down From State Capitol in South Carolina

Nope its apples to jackhammers. You're talking about a significant change in one country vs someone who is obviously off their nut removing any evidence of the past that ever existed. What the politicians are wanting to do in this nation is akin to the Taliban or ISIS getting rid of anything they don't like. In other words Stalin removing monuments he didn't like when he took over as dictator is the same as the politicians trying to rid the South of our heroes.

LOL with the Stalin stuff.... :roll:
 
I know where President Davis is buried. I was only aware of the attempt to remove the statue and desecrate the grave of General Forrest. However Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, where President Davis and family are buried, is private property.

Oh, sorry, you're right. Bedford will be used to it by now. They desecrated his original grave to move him to the park. From wiki:

Forrest was buried at Elmwood Cemetery.[58] In 1904 the remains of Forrest and his wife Mary were disinterred from Elmwood and moved to a Memphis city park originally named Forrest Park in his honor, that has since been renamed Health Sciences Park.[60]
 
Its truth. Look it up. Not surprised you can't see the similarities.

Yeah, well, if I look at all of human recorded history, I'll see that when regimes change, virtually all of them remove many or all of the monuments to the old regime and replace them with the new. E.g, see, Iraq, circa 2003.
 
Yeah, well, if I look at all of human recorded history, I'll see that when regimes change, virtually all of them remove many or all of the monuments to the old regime and replace them with the new. E.g, see, Iraq, circa 2003.

Prove my point again. Nice to see you doing that. We have been through how many "regime changes" over the last 150 years? No one bothered the Confederate monuments or anything else until now. Should tell you something.
 
Oh, sorry, you're right. Bedford will be used to it by now. They desecrated his original grave to move him to the park. From wiki:

That is different, they have done that to Confederate soldiers before, as well as other people. President Monroe, for example, was originally buried in NYC Marble Cemetery. 27 years later he was reburied in historic Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond in President's Circle. President John Tyler is buried nearby. What they are wanting to do now is remove General Forrest's monument and his body and no telling where they are going to reinter him.
 
Needed to happen, but in the end it does not solve much. Remove all the flags and racism will still exist tomorrow.

The flag needed to come down. But it needed to be taken down voluntarily by the people who believe and cherish it not by force.

Removal of the flag is nothing more than a power play. Solving the actual problem of prejudice, hate, and vengeance will be a part of human behavior for the foreseeable future. Forcing the removal or the fag will only reinforce these emotions. As for the people who enjoy forcing their beliefs and ideology on others they are just as emotionally sick. Any one who thinks removal of this flag will bring about love and harmony from the people who supported that flag need to read this poem. This is where the solution will come from not some flag or swastika being forcefully removed from everywhere.

If a child lives with criticism,
he learns to condemn.

If a child lives with hostility,
he learns to fight.

If a child lives with fear,
he learns to be apprehensive.

If a child lives with pity,
he learns to feel sorry for himself.

If a child lives with ridicule,
he learns to be shy.

If a child lives with jealousy,
he learns what envy is.

If a child lives with shame,
he learns to feel guilty.

If a child lives with encouragement,
he learns to be confident.

If a child lives with tolerance,
he learns to be patient.

If a child lives with praise,
he learns to be appreciative.

If a child lives with acceptance,
he learns to love.

If a child lives with approval,
he learns to like himself.

If a child lives with recognition,
he learns that it is good to have a goal.

If a child lives with sharing,
he learns about generosity.

If a child lives with honesty and fairness,
he learns what truth and justice are.

If a child lives with security,
he learns to have faith in himself and in those about him.

If a child lives with friendliness,
he learns that the world is a nice place in which to live.

If you live with serenity,
your child will live with peace of mind.
 
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No one was fussing about it until a mentally ill nutcase went on a shooting spree. How about focusing on the law he did break, instead of blaming a flag? Oh wait, that makes too much sense

There have been people "fussing" about the flag for decades in SC. It comes up every election, at least, and there have been formal and more informal protests from time to time since at least the 1990s. The NAACP had a 15 year old boycott of the state related to the flag until last week. And the NCAA has had a ban on "predetermined" games (like the NCAA basketball tournament) in SC (and Mississippi) for well over a decade.

And I think they've got the murder charges in good hands. I'm not sure what we're supposed to focus on.
 
There have been people "fussing" about the flag for decades in SC. It comes up every election, at least, and there have been formal and more informal protests from time to time since at least the 1990s. The NAACP had a 15 year old boycott of the state related to the flag until last week. And the NCAA has had a ban on "predetermined" games (like the NCAA basketball tournament) in SC (and Mississippi) for well over a decade.

And I think they've got the murder charges in good hands. I'm not sure what we're supposed to focus on.

OK then close down every Gold's Gym while you're at it! The murderer wore a Gold's Gym shirt for cripes sake! Also notice the NCAA has not boycotted Georgia and their flag is the identical design of the First National flag of the Confederacy.
 
Tell ya what, read The South Was Right, then come back. It is obvious you had a crappy US history teacher.

Worse,

I never had a US history teacher.

But somehow the book named "The South Was Right" is bias free and should provide the "right" kind of history to me somehow?
 
Still Stalin removed all monuments and everything else to past leaders when he took over. The US is fast becoming that way, especially with the current firestorm over a flag that did not kill anyone.

Why use a symbol that stands for dividing the country?
 
Worse,

I never had a US history teacher.

But somehow the book named "The South Was Right" is bias free and should provide the "right" kind of history to me somehow?

Oh I see anything pro South is a bad thing huh? No wonder the truth is ignored
 
Oh I see anything pro South is a bad thing huh? No wonder the truth is ignored

Just the title "The South Was Right" seems biased at worst, and only possibly "right" sometimes in the past at best (i.e., no longer is).

Yeah why use a symbol that stands for the way this country was supposed to be in the first place huh?

I disagree that the US was suppose to be divided and weaker than what it currently is.
 
OK then close down every Gold's Gym while you're at it! The murderer wore a Gold's Gym shirt for cripes sake! Also notice the NCAA has not boycotted Georgia and their flag is the identical design of the First National flag of the Confederacy.

Well, last time I looked, the legislature of the State of SC didn't vote to raise the f'ing "Gold's Gym" flag atop their state house while they were fighting to keep Jim Crow and their black citizens oppressed, enforced by the guns of the state police.

You keep wanting to ignore THAT flag has a very specific and easily documented history. It was no accident that Root and the KKK and the State of SC and the State of GA and George Wallace, and these guys picked the Rebel Flag:

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Yeah why use a symbol that stands for the way this country was supposed to be in the first place huh?

You mean a white supremacist country with black residents enslaved and denied their basic human and civil rights? That's what the symbol "stands for" or did stand for in the civil rights era. If you were along one of the many civil rights marches and waved that flag, no one on earth had to guess whether you stood with MLK or George Wallace. You could have held a sign, "Segregation forever. We stand with Wallace! Keep Alabama WHITE" or the Rebel flag. Both meant the same thing.
 
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You mean a white supremacist country with black residents enslaved and denied their basic human and civil rights? That's what the symbol "stands for" or did stand for in the civil rights era. If you were along one of the many civil rights marches and waved that flag, no one on earth had to guess whether you stood with MLK or George Wallace. You could have held a sign, "Segregation forever. We stand with Wallace! Keep Alabama WHITE" or the Rebel flag. Both meant the same thing.

Might as well ban the British flag from flying anywhere also then. It was their slave ships after all.
 
Just the title "The South Was Right" seems biased at worst, and only possibly "right" sometimes in the past at best (i.e., no longer is).

It needs to be required reading in every school in this nation. Maybe then people would stop vilifying the South

I disagree that the US was suppose to be divided and weaker than what it currently is.

WOW did you ever miss the point! The feds were not supposed to have near the power they do today. Luckily for us though Hitler was stupid or we would all be speaking German and it wouldn't matter.
 
Well, last time I looked, the legislature of the State of SC didn't vote to raise the f'ing "Gold's Gym" flag atop their state house while they were fighting to keep Jim Crow and their black citizens oppressed, enforced by the guns of the state police.

You keep wanting to ignore THAT flag has a very specific and easily documented history. It was no accident that Root and the KKK and the State of SC and the State of GA and George Wallace, and these guys picked the Rebel Flag:

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BE025650.jpg


wallace-flag.jpg

I see you missed the point, again. Or do you miss it on purpose?
 
Might as well ban the British flag from flying anywhere also then. It was their slave ships after all.

Holy Red Herring Batman!! It's pretty funny watching you avoid the point. :roll:

Again, if you were white and along one of the civil rights marches, if you waved the Rebel flag, no one had to guess where you stood, and it was directly opposed to MLK and opposed to civil rights for black citizens of the South. SC didn't raise the flag in 1961 to signal their solidarity with and support for equal rights for blacks. They rose that flag in defiance to, against, opposed to those civil rights being extended to over a third of their population. That is what the symbol meant. This was understood by everyone at the time.
 
I see you missed the point, again. Or do you miss it on purpose?

No, I got your "point" but it was juvenile. You want to desperately avoid addressing that the Rebel flag has a specific history. I'm just having fun seeing how many ways you can avoid addressing that simple fact. You keep lecturing everyone on "revisionist" history, but cannot acknowledge the history of the Rebel Flag that is literally staring you in the face.
 
Holy Red Herring Batman!! It's pretty funny watching you avoid the point. :roll:

Again, if you were white and along one of the civil rights marches, if you waved the Rebel flag, no one had to guess where you stood, and it was directly opposed to MLK and opposed to civil rights for black citizens of the South. SC didn't raise the flag in 1961 to signal their solidarity with and support for equal rights for blacks. They rose that flag in defiance to, against, opposed to those civil rights being extended to over a third of their population. That is what the symbol meant. This was understood by everyone at the time.

Yep you do miss the point, on purpose I am convinced.
 
No, I got your "point" but it was juvenile. You want to desperately avoid addressing that the Rebel flag has a specific history. I'm just having fun seeing how many ways you can avoid addressing that simple fact. You keep lecturing everyone on "revisionist" history, but cannot acknowledge the history of the Rebel Flag that is literally staring you in the face.

So you prove my point yet again. You miss it on purpose. Thought that was the case.
 
Question To All: Directly after the end of the Civil War what di the flag of the north represent in terms of equality for all? Equal rights for......? Maybe we should take down the other flag as well and start over.
 
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