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South Carolina governor: Confederate flag comes down Friday

The matter was indeed concluded and done according to SC law as prescribed, and that is that. The outcome was as expected, though they managed to get that 2/3rds majority a lot quicker than I thought.

Good, there's no point in discussing the matter any further or trying to inject "the people" into the matter when they never mattered before. Don't you think?

Anyway, back to matters that SC'inians actually care about...

NOW if they'll just get their asses in gear and do something about the gall-darned ROADS up here in the Upstate.... grrrr. If I bust one more tire in a pothole I'm sending the legislature the bill...

That's not just a problem in SC, my man. I'm in Quebec right now and have to basically zigzag even in city streets. My suggestion would be buy better tires in the meantime or get all wheel drive.
 
And yet liberals all over the country still can't explain what difference this will make. Will depressed deprived people somehow not find symbols of hate to use to justify their hatred? Will they somehow stop using the Confederate flag to do it? Will anything really change at all? This has been something liberals have wanted to do for decades and not once in that time period have they convinced the south that their flag is about racism. The polls still to this very day in fact say that 57% of the population disagrees with them. I suppose however it fine to stand for democracy and ignore the people. Hell, with liberals it's just rhetoric. The people are what matters is what I'm told by them constantly, but I suppose ignoring them when it suits you is fine too. Funny how that works.

The south lost. They were at war with America, they were the enemy, they believed in owning people.

The south lost, they don't have a country, their flag is a flag of a loser country.

It shouldn't be flying at any state or federal site, no more than a German, or Japanese or Maltese flag would.
 
As of Friday all the crying by the right-wing will have been done in vain; the racist flag will be removed! :applaud
 
Why? Democracy doesn't care about minority opinions.

Of course. Everyone knows that a democracy is nothing more than mob rule where the majority vote away the rights and freedom of the minority. Thank goodness we are not a democracy.

The constitution protects the rights and freedom of the individual, the minority, as well as the majority. That is as long as the majority doesn't amend away our rights.

Then it is time to exercise our right to bear arms and create a new government. That is if we still are armed.
 
:roll: Politics as Theater. :shrug: But, if it makes them feel good, hey, it's their state.
 
As of Friday all the crying by the right-wing will have been done in vain; the racist flag will be removed! :applaud

People are prejudice not a flag. All people are prejudice. How people deal with it is what matters. Your belief the flag or any other inanimate object is racist is ridiculous. Teaching people how to deal with prejudice, hate, vengeance, etc. is the solution not running around trying to eliminate every thing or symbol that could possibly be associated with these emotions.
 
The flag is coming down because a fair amount of the citizens see it as symbol of hate.

:lol: the flag flew for decades and no one cared. It's coming down now because the Angry Facebook Media needed something to be outraged about after a tragic church shooting, and the church survivors were rude enough to act all loving, and forgiving instead of demanding riots.
 
The polls still to this very day in fact say that 57% of the population disagrees with them. I suppose however it fine to stand for democracy and ignore the people. Hell, with liberals it's just rhetoric. The people are what matters is what I'm told by them constantly, but I suppose ignoring them when it suits you is fine too. Funny how that works.

Actually, the 57% figure you're quoting is about how 57% of Americans view the flag as a historic symbol of heritage rather than a symbol or racism. What poll says that 57% of Americans support the confederate flag being flown at the capitol in Charleston? Because there are a lot of people who see the flag as a symbol of heritage yet also understand that the vast majority of black Americans see it as a symbol of racism, therefore would probably have no problem with the removal of the flag.

In other words, you're taking the statistic out of context.

:lol: the flag flew for decades and no one cared. It's coming down now because the Angry Facebook Media needed something to be outraged about after a tragic church shooting, and the church survivors were rude enough to act all loving, and forgiving instead of demanding riots.

From the New York Times article:

Whether the effects of the vote will be more than symbolic remains unclear. The N.A.A.C.P., which has for the last 15 years imposed an economic boycott on the state over the flag, will consider lifting the boycott at its yearly convention, which will begin Saturday in Philadelphia, Cornell William Brooks, the president of the group, said Thursday.

Yeah, nobody cared... except the vast majority of black people, who the confederacy fought to keep as subhuman slaves. And a whole lot of white people, myself included, who were always shocked that South Carolina would be stupid enough to fly such an awful symbol over their capitol.
 
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I thought you liberals cared what the people think on issues?

And I thought you Libertardians were all about state's rights and sovereignty.
 
And I thought you Libertardians were all about state's rights and sovereignty.

I'm a voluntaryist. We don't believe in the state. ;)
 
Must be sweet to go through life that disenfranchised.
 
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A governor whose parents are Indian, surrounded by blacks and whites, signing a bill to remove a symbol of hatred 50 years after it was put there by a government that had just 2 years earlier enforced segregation. Gay marriage is now legal in all 50 states and my Cuban wife just made me tamales. What a time to be alive.
It's a Verginia flag anyway, why was it flying above NC in the first place?
 
The south lost. They were at war with America, they were the enemy, they believed in owning people.

The south lost, they don't have a country, their flag is a flag of a loser country.

It shouldn't be flying at any state or federal site, no more than a German, or Japanese or Maltese flag would.
If the Union didn't believe in slavery then why was slavery legal in the Union when the south cuseeded?
 
It's a Verginia flag anyway, why was it flying above NC in the first place?

That's pretty interesting and something I didn't know. I mean I knew it was a battle flag, I just didn't know it was from VA. Seems kind of weird that people would fight for their local government to raise a flag that their ancestors from the state didn't even fight under. I mean, I could understand if people from Virginia were making the argument, but now that I know that the flag is from VA, it seems kind of hollow for all of the non-VA folks to be making the claim too.
 
Silliest thing I've ever heard of. :lamo

I'm not exactly sure why I would care what a liberal thinks about any sort of philosophy. Your ideology is basically about combining two opposing view points on property and calling it rational.
 
I'm not exactly sure why I would care what a liberal thinks about any sort of philosophy. Your ideology is basically about combining two opposing view points on property and calling it rational.

Well, if we're playing that game...."Libertarianism" is an ideology in the same way that saying you don't like any kind of pasta is a statement on which pasta is best.
 
Well, if we're playing that game...."Libertarianism" is an ideology in the same way that saying you don't like any kind of pasta is a statement on which pasta is best.

That would depend. Minarchists like pasta, but they're picky on the toppings and like small portions.
 
Well, if we're playing that game...."Libertarianism" is an ideology in the same way that saying you don't like any kind of pasta is a statement on which pasta is best.

Wow. I'm going to have to steal that from you.

I always thought Libertardianism was nothing more than disillusioned Rethugliconism only with twice the paranoia and hatred for the poor.
 
That would depend.

Oh, no at all. I'm going off on your understanding of libertarianism. The one which is completely allergic to all things government. It's not really an ideology at all. Is it? I mean if it is, then saying you don't like pasta at all is a statement on which one is best, correct? ;)
 
Wow. I'm going to have to steal that from you.

I always thought Libertardianism was nothing more than disillusioned Rethugliconism only with twice the paranoia and hatred for the poor.

Wow, you are clearly an expert on libertarianism and its history.
 
Wow, you are clearly an expert on libertarianism and its history.

Libertardianism has no history. Well, other than Alex Jone$, a senile Ron Paul, and cynical rednecks who wave Chinese made American flags at minorities and/or the poor.
 
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Wow, you are clearly an expert on libertarianism and its history.

Oh, she doesn't have to be. I, however, know very well your statements on the subject. Would you say that not believing in any state is an ideology of any sort? It really isn't. Political ideologies, at least the mainstream kind adopted by philosophers regardless of their leans, tend to have a response for different issues. Conservatives seem to want a government actively involved in dealing with criminals. Liberals want the government to stay out of their bedrooms, but deal with discrimination. Regardless of how they see it, they seem to understand that governments and states need to exist. What do libertarians like yourself want? NO GUB'MINT! NO STATE! That's hardly a response to any issue. It's intellectual laziness.
 
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