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Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse[W:79]

Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

A disgusting display. Her voice reminds me of the brayings of an ass.


*I apologize to donkey's everywhere*
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

They have the right to believe whatever they want, but they don't have a right to their own facts.
Even if the flag didn't exist he would have still killed those people.



What proof do you have of that?

Let's see it.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Yes, and 57% of people overall view it as a symbol of southern pride. Why should blacks frankly irrational view of the flag trump 57% of the people?

And it's 72% of blacks that view it as a symbol of racism, not 75%.

The black people were the ones who were slaves. The confederacy fought for the right of their states to keep slavery legal. You call that line of thinking "irrational?" You probably know this, but you're way, way too biased - for whatever reason - for anybody to take you seriously on this issue. Apart from the people who are also as biased as you, of course.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

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Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Dylann Roof in no way, shape, or form is a reason for the flag to be taken down from state grounds.

The fact that it's a flag of another country is reason I'd feel like it should be taken down from state grounds.

Ultimately, it's the decision of those in the state. But from an outside observer, I'd approve of a confederate flag being flown over SC's state grounds as much as I'd approve of a Mexican flag being flown over California state grounds.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Lets review:

He feels a feeling of low self worth
He looks and finds something to blame it on: Blacks
He needs a higher purpose to promote his views: The flag

Any questions?

Guess what? You can pretty much put anything in the last two slots. So the question only is
how many things do you want to ban?



Let's start with the Confederate flag and "Gone With the Wind".

Does anyone have any other ideas?

:lol:




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Yes, and 57% of people overall view it as a symbol of southern pride. Why should blacks frankly irrational view of the flag trump 57% of the people?

And it's 72% of blacks that view it as a symbol of racism, not 75%.

You ignore that those blacks view it as a symbol of hate because that is what it was used for since the 1950's. Those that see it otherwise are just ignoring history not embracing it or honoring it. Blame the racists that poisoned the flag not the blacks that remember.

Why the Confederate Flag Made a 20th Century Comeback
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

If not for the Confederate flag, Dylann Roof would have been a lovely young man.

No one is saying that. What we are saying is that having a traitorous symbol of hate flag on government property does not send the best message.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

One of the best scenes in any movie I have ever seen! And "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" is a classic line that has withstood the test of time! Excellent! :thumbs: I may drag that movie out and watch it again this weekend!

A long time ago, when I had more hair I had that used on me by the wife of the Prime Minister of Canada, Margaret Trudeau, in the beginning stages of a nervous breakdown was attending a Liberal fund raiser. She had just come from Washington where Nixon's court had snubbed her because her hemline was way too high - she had great legs btw. We were ordered not to speak top her and, being trained in America and believing in the right of a free press I approached her and asked "were you surprised at the issue made of your dress at the White House? Her reply, a smiling "Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"

It was front page across the land. Sometimes journalism really is bull****
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

No one is saying that. What we are saying is that having a traitorous symbol of hate flag on government property does not send the best message.

Sure they are. That's why Dylann Roof's name keeps coming up repeatedly. It's why his murder of 9 innocent people keeps coming up when discussing the flag.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Sure they are. That's why Dylann Roof's name keeps coming up repeatedly. It's why his murder of 9 innocent people keeps coming up when discussing the flag.

No, his horrific racist crime did inspire people to look at our society, see what's wrong, and get involved to try and change it. When you have a person commit such a horrible racist crime, it's a little harder to see a racist symbol being flown on public property.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

No, his horrific racist crime did inspire people to look at our society, see what's wrong, and get involved to try and change it. When you have a person commit such a horrible racist crime, it's a little harder to see a racist symbol being flown on public property.

His crime inspired people to look at a flag. In other words, the flag had something to do with what he did.Extra points for using "racist" multiple times in 2 sentences.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

A long time ago, when I had more hair I had that used on me by the wife of the Prime Minister of Canada, Margaret Trudeau, in the beginning stages of a nervous breakdown was attending a Liberal fund raiser. She had just come from Washington where Nixon's court had snubbed her because her hemline was way too high - she had great legs btw. We were ordered not to speak top her and, being trained in America and believing in the right of a free press I approached her and asked "were you surprised at the issue made of your dress at the White House? Her reply, a smiling "Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"

It was front page across the land. Sometimes journalism really is bull****

Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

Excellent! :lol: And good for her! :thumbs:
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

It's not my problem if you have no understanding of psychology or depression.

It is YOU HENRIN who claimed knowledge in these areas and could apply it to someone you never met never talked to or never communicated with in any way and the only thing you know about him is public information which is very incomplete.

It is YOUR claimed skills that are indeed the problem.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Nonsense.

The Flag of the Northern States flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

Did the South fly the American flag before or during the Civil War? Because that's where most of the slaves were....

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The North seemed to only have a problem with slavery when the South wanted to secede.
So you've never heard of the Missouri Compromise or the Kansas wars where the South tried to expand slavery?

Here's a cartoon of the South trying to shove slavery down the throats of free soilers in Kansas....

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This 1861 cartoons depicts the South racing off a cliff to secede....

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Close up of the above cartoon...

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Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

His crime inspired people to look at a flag. In other words, the flag had something to do with what he did.Extra points for using "racist" multiple times in 2 sentences.

Yes. Yes.

Yet another madman went nuts and killed some people in the US, such a rare event...



But this time we will get even....we're going to punish a flag.

Oh, that's gonna work.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Seriously, it is ridiculous. Someone yell the south will rise again. It equates to me yelling end the fed. Never going to happen.

It was treason, it was the failed rebellion of a (potential) nation, and one of the reasons that war was fought was indeed to retain the right to keep people as property.

If people want to invest it with other properties, that's fine. That's their right, but to deny that it also means some very valid, *factual* things to others is ridiculous.

What I also think is ridiculous is that states continued to fly that flag and yet still take plenty of $$$$$$$ from the feds. Kind of an immature denial, like 'you can make us comply but we dont have to like it!'

By no means do I think it should be removed everywhere, esp not from historical sites. It's an important part of our history.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Yes. Yes.

Yet another madman went nuts and killed some people in the US, such a rare event...



But this time we will get even....we're going to punish a flag.

Oh, that's gonna work.

If that flag hadn't been there, he would have lived in peace and harmony with his fellow man. I wonder just how many trips to the state capital a choir boy like Dylann Roof took in his lifetime to see this flag that apparently sent him some sort of subliminal messages or something.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

His crime inspired people to look at a flag. In other words, the flag had something to do with what he did.Extra points for using "racist" multiple times in 2 sentences.

The flag didn't have anything to do with what he did. The flag symbolizes his motivations; it's not that hard to comprehend.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

If that flag hadn't been there, he would have lived in peace and harmony with his fellow man. I wonder just how many trips to the state capital a choir boy like Dylann Roof took in his lifetime to see this flag that apparently sent him some sort of subliminal messages or something.


There was a guy in New York once said a dog made him kill people, they named him Son of Sam.

How come dogs weren't banned?
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

And that says what about that horrible oppressive symbol of hatred pictured?

The north fought for freedom....the south fought for slavery. The only oppressors are the ones that fought for slavery.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

I'm waiting for the Japanese Americans who were captured and jailed and deported and whose lives were ruined by FDR to demand that the FDR Drive be renamed.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

There was a guy in New York once said a dog made him kill people, they named him Son of Sam.

How come dogs weren't banned?

Talking dogs are rare.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

If that flag hadn't been there, he would have lived in peace and harmony with his fellow man. I wonder just how many trips to the state capital a choir boy like Dylann Roof took in his lifetime to see this flag that apparently sent him some sort of subliminal messages or something.

150 years plus no one killed influenced by that flag. One guy does it to Obama's people and there has to be a national crisis, a tear filled gnashing of teeth on the floor of the state house.....lest it happen again in the next 150 years.
 
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