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Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse[W:79]

Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

It appears she got emotional and she won, so much for one-off examples I suppose. I don't much care for crying on a public platform, wonder what she thought about the flag 2 years ago so not sure how onboard i am with her emotional speech... but at the end of the day the BS amendment posters ceased and the flag came down.

Bingo. Before the media and Angry Facebook People needed something to scream about after the Church survivors proved insufficiently willing to call for riots, nobody cared.


If I as this woman, I'd be embarrassed. She just reinforced all the stereotypes about her gender governing overemotionally.
 
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This all seems to be stemming from people trying to assuage some guilt or something. If people in this country are stupid enough to believe that Dylann Roof did what he did because of the Confederate flag, then we're in really big trouble. Huge trouble.

Jenny's tears were moving, but meaningless. People are pretending that removing that flag will mean something. It won't. And unless we're going to remove every symbol that may offend anyone in this country, this is all for show. And some sort of guilt. All I know is I never met anyone in my life who owned a slave in this country. And that's in spite of the Confederate flag flying in SC.

No one is claiming that the flag made him do it. Are you serious?

While the flag coming down may be meaningless to you it is deeply meaningful to many.

This is not just any symbol and it's not merely a matter of a few people finding it offensive. It's destructive and divisive and no more business being on a government building than a flag displaying a swastika.
 
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This is hysterical. This whole board is about 95% emotional commentary but everyone is ranting about it's inappropriateness and how they lose respect its a tad hypocritcal. (hint....anger is an emotion)
 
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Bingo. Before the media and Angry Facebook People needed something to scream about after the Church survivors proved insufficiently willing to call for riots, nobody cared. If I as this woman, I'd be embarrassed. She just reinforced all the stereotypes about her gender.

I'd opine MILLIONS cared, but the politicians in South Carolina- to include the Governor, refused to serve the greater good but rather the greater donator/voter base- like I said the Governor was all for 'heritage' when running for office.

CONs in the South wrap themselves up in the Lost Cause as a religion. Funny how many 'heritage' monuments are about the Rebellion of 1861 but where are the one about the rebellion of 1776? Where are the monuments about the other wars many South Carolinians gave their full measure of freedom? They pale in comparison the the 'Civil War' monument, which wasn't considered much of a sacred cow until 1964, a century after that war. :roll:

As far as the stereotype and emotion... I'd say that comment says more about the author than the speaker- like the business quote about the genders- An assertive man is a strong leader, a strong assertive woman is a bitch... :peace
 
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Or this one.....

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I know that is what you and the majority of liberal progressives would like to push, BUT, again history is not on your side as it factually was...You have to go through all kinds of contortion to get to that conclusion. That aside, seems that a majority of American's don't agree with you that the Confederate flag symbolizes racism....

Poll: Majority sees Confederate flag as Southern pride - CNNPolitics.com
 
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No one ever made the claim that "the flag made him do it"

Well then, you explain how it is that until that stupid facebook photo came out of this mentally imbalanced young man holding a Confederate flag...Before that the conversation was centered on this young man's own racism, his mental illness, etc.

Then after that photo, the progressive grievence mob took over with all the venom, and emotional appeal they could muster, and by using the old "when did you stop beating your wife...?" approach toward politicians who they thought wouldn't go along, they succeeded in subverting the will of the people by proxy of threat of labeling....It is not American how this was done.
 
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I'd opine MILLIONS cared, but the politicians in South Carolina- to include the Governor, refused to serve the greater good but rather the greater donator/voter base- like I said the Governor was all for 'heritage' when running for office.

Not really. This was at best a lowest-key issue, and generally, not an issue at all. Until the media needed controversy to report on, and the survivors of the Church screwed them up with all that love and forgiveness stuff.

As far as the stereotype and emotion... I'd say that comment says more about the author than the speaker

:shrug: not really. I didn't get on national television and make myself look like an over-emotional basket case.

I watched this live in a room full of people. They were laughing at her. Because she was making herself look foolish.

like the business quote about the genders- An assertive man is a strong leader, a strong assertive woman is a bitch... :peace

:shrug: assertive men can be a-holes, and assertive women can be b-tches when they choose to run over others. That doesn't really have any bearing here, but sure, okay :).
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Well then, you explain how it is that until that stupid facebook photo came out of this mentally imbalanced young man holding a Confederate flag...Before that the conversation was centered on this young man's own racism, his mental illness, etc.

Then after that photo, the progressive grievence mob took over with all the venom, and emotional appeal they could muster, and by using the old "when did you stop beating your wife...?" approach toward politicians who they thought wouldn't go along, they succeeded in subverting the will of the people by proxy of threat of labeling....It is not American how this was done.

Lol. Get over it.

Most Americans, north and south, disapprove of flying the Confederate flag
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/06/25/most-americans-disapprove-confederate-flag/
 
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Lol. Get over it.

Most Americans, north and south, disapprove of flying the Confederate flag
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/06/25/most-americans-disapprove-confederate-flag/

Your own poll shows almost exactly what mine does....That your choice is to focus on a totally different part of the polling, and therefore miss the point completely is not my problem, rather it is yours.
 
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Your own poll shows almost exactly what mine does....That your choice is to focus on a totally different part of the polling, and therefore miss the point completely is not my problem, rather it is yours.

You don't see angry mobs of Americans protesting in the streets over the removal of a symbol that was out in front of the march to preserve the institution of human trafficking and slavery. You'll just have to get use to the fact that you won't be able to drive by the SC capitol and feel the pride of the South welling up inside of you anymore.
 
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You don't see angry mobs of Americans protesting in the streets over the removal of a symbol that was out in front of the march to preserve the institution of human trafficking and slavery. You'll just have to get use to the fact that you won't be able to drive by the SC capitol and feel the pride of the South welling up inside of you anymore.

Is that all you have Montecresto? Ad hom, and appeal to emotion? Both sides of the argument were represented during this whole thing. I guess you only see what you wish to see.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Well then, you explain how it is that until that stupid facebook photo came out of this mentally imbalanced young man holding a Confederate flag...Before that the conversation was centered on this young man's own racism, his mental illness, etc.
Then after that photo, the progressive grievence mob took over with all the venom, and emotional appeal they could muster, and by using the old "when did you stop beating your wife...?" approach toward politicians who they thought wouldn't go along, they succeeded in subverting the will of the people by proxy of threat of labeling....It is not American how this was done.

This should have been done a long time ago. This kids association with the flag and what he promoted is as representing just provoked the conversion. The flag becoming a focus is a by product of this incident
 
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This should have been done a long time ago. This kids association with the flag and what he promoted is as representing just provoked the conversion. The flag becoming a focus is a by product of this incident

No, it's a byproduct of liberals finding something to latch onto to continue their fight against the confederate flag. It has nothing to do with the kid, racism, slavery, or the meaning behind the flag, but with liberals hatred towards a flag.
 
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No, it's a byproduct of liberals finding something to latch onto to continue their fight against the confederate flag. It has nothing to do with the kid, racism, slavery, or the meaning behind the flag, but with liberals hatred towards a flag.

You are able to make that statement Henrin (that something is being made out of nothing) only because you don't have a personal connection to what this flag represents and are clearly lacking the insight one gains from having even the slightest shred of empathy towards others.
 
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You are able to make that statement Henrin (that something is being made out of nothing) only because you don't have a personal connection to what this flag represents and are clearly lacking the insight one gains from having even the slightest shred of empathy towards others.

Yeah I know, I'm an uncaring jerk.

It is however true that liberals have been attacking the flag with the same kind of rhetoric that we saw after the shooting for decades. In reality nothing changed about the debate at all except that nine people were killed by some crazy dude that was racist and liked the flag. It was just more of the nonsense tactic always used by the left that when something horrible happens it's best to use it to get one of your political goals accomplished.
 
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Is that all you have Montecresto? Ad hom, and appeal to emotion? Both sides of the argument were represented during this whole thing. I guess you only see what you wish to see.

What??? ALL I did was point out that your side lost! Dry the tears and move on.
 
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Yeah I know, I'm an uncaring jerk.

It is however true that liberals have been attacking the flag with the same kind of rhetoric that we saw after the shooting for decades. In reality nothing changed about the debate at all except that nine people were killed by some crazy dude that was racist and liked the flag. It was just more of the nonsense tactic always used by the left that when something horrible happens it's best to use it to get one of your political goals accomplished.

Lol. Except for one thing, the SC legislator is republican (RIGHT) top heavy 28/18 and the vote to remove the flag was 36/3. Nice attempt at blaming the left.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Lol. Except for one thing, the SC legislator is republican (RIGHT) top heavy 28/18 and the vote to remove the flag was 36/3. Nice attempt at blaming the left.

Yeah, they even played into the whole narrative that it was about the shooting. If the shooting never happened liberals would still be opposed to it and the fight against the flag would still be going on. All that happened is that the left started the bull**** wheel rolling and republicans got caught up into it.
 
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This should have been done a long time ago. This kids association with the flag and what he promoted is as representing just provoked the conversion. The flag becoming a focus is a by product of this incident

Nah, it was a "co-opt" of the situation....But, we won't agree on that....

hey he also wore the flag of, I think it was Rhodesia on his jacket....Should we ban their flag too?
 
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Yeah I know, I'm an uncaring jerk.

It is however true that liberals have been attacking the flag with the same kind of rhetoric that we saw after the shooting for decades. In reality nothing changed about the debate at all except that nine people were killed by some crazy dude that was racist and liked the flag. It was just more of the nonsense tactic always used by the left that when something horrible happens it's best to use it to get one of your political goals accomplished.

Or perhaps some tragedy associated with ...... pushes that issue to the top of their list. This incident was in fact tragic, not even you can deny that, if something positive (like that stupid fkng flag coming down) comes from it then that's a good thing and its a pretty natural evolution not a diabolic plan of the lefties.
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Nah, it was a "co-opt" of the situation....But, we won't agree on that....

hey he also wore the flag of, I think it was Rhodesia on his jacket....Should we ban their flag too?

I don't know does the Rhodesian flag represent anything nearly as appalling to the majority of Americans?
 
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I don't know does the Rhodesian flag represent anything nearly as appalling to the majority of Americans?

That's just it though, You're using the term "majority of American's" falsely, as I have already shown...Typical, that you will ignore that.
 
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Yeah, they even played into the whole narrative that it was about the shooting. If the shooting never happened liberals would still be opposed to it and the fight against the flag would still be going on. All that happened is that the left started the bull**** wheel rolling and republicans got caught up into it.

Those poor little spineless republicans. :lamo
 
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Those poor little spineless republicans. :lamo

Yep, they were spineless....We shall see if the SC public is equally spineless come next election....;)
 
Re: Jenny Horne's tearful Confederate flag speech shakes S. Carolina statehouse

Yep, they were spineless....We shall see if the SC public is equally spineless come next election....;)

You're revered flag will not go back up the pole, period, no matter what the racist side of the electorate down there wants. ;)
 
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