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Gun used by illigal immigrant in killing belonged to federal agent

MANY LIBERALS is what I said NOT ALL

and Bernie is in favor of

"assault weapon bans"

waiting periods

and other idiocy

Just countering your notion of liberals... especially seeing he is supposed to be the most liberal of the liberals.
 
Just countering your notion of liberals... especially seeing he is supposed to be the most liberal of the liberals.

you're not countering anything. I have noted several times that one of the most leftwing people I have ever personally known-Ron Kuby-radical attorney and yes a CARD CARRYING communist-was-at least when I knew him-very pro gun ownership. but every major gun restrictionist organization is run by lefties and every major federal gun restriction was authored by and mainly supported by lefties
 
you're not countering anything. I have noted several times that one of the most leftwing people I have ever personally known-Ron Kuby-radical attorney and yes a CARD CARRYING communist-was-at least when I knew him-very pro gun ownership. but every major gun restrictionist organization is run by lefties and every major federal gun restriction was authored by and mainly supported by lefties

OK... Bernie welcomes your vote.
 
Im a problem solver. Im not the type to bitch and complain about how mean and racist things are. I do things that work, I do things that make sense.

I dont find much sense in having a country that doesnt have a border that matters. But that is just me and Trump, I guess. :roll:

Man you're such a badass. I wish I lived in this bubble.
 
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actually that is not true and the federal government loses thousands of fully automatic rifles and heavier weapons each year. Police evidence rooms are often the source of guns used by gang bangers as well. most of the heavy stuff ends up overseas though since stuff like automatic rifles, machine guns etc have very little value to most civilian-environment criminals

I don't doubt there are. Which is why a prefaced my point with the word rarely, and not never. Even if there were a registration process in place, there would still be unaccounted for firearms that make it into the wrong hands. But, the proliferation of arms would slow significantly, and it would also give those who are responsible firearm owners peace of mind and the ability to say that they are not part of the problem. As we sit today, millions of firearms are purchased legally, and sold 2nd hand to people who are not legally allowed to be sold a weapon. And even those that are legally sold, are hard to trace after they have ben sold to 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand owners which makes it nearly impossible to solve crimes involving firearms and hold people accountable for their unlawful use.
 
So throw basic human rights out the window?

If he's here illegally, how is it a human rights violation to send him back to his home country? (OK, in one piece)
 
So it's true then. If we really limit the guns citizens have an only law enforcement have them, then there will be less gun crime and accidents!

Oh, wait.

Just like the cop here who left his loaded gun...and his 2 small kids... in his van while he and his wife went in to shop. 7 yr old son took it from glove compartment and accidentally (we hope) killed his 3 yr old sister. But hey! Guns are only safe in the hands of professionals! Not the unwashed masses.
 
So it's true then. If we really limit the guns citizens have an only law enforcement have them, then there will be less gun crime and accidents!

Oh, wait.

Just like the cop here who left his loaded gun...and his 2 small kids... in his van while he and his wife went in to shop. 7 yr old son took it from glove compartment and accidentally (we hope) killed his 3 yr old sister. But hey! Guns are only safe in the hands of professionals! Not the unwashed masses.

Guns are not safe for anyone, that is generally the point of a gun, is to be unsafe and kill people, weather its for defense, or otherwise. A gun is an inanimate object, and does not care who's hands its in, or what its pointed at. As humans, it goes without saying that even the most professional and proficient people make mistakes. When you are around guns all the time, one can become complacent about the danger a gun brings into any situation. People who are the most proficient and professional are arguable the most at risk of making ignorant mistakes. This can be explained easily. Take a gun and hand it to someone who has never fired on, or been around one before, educate them on the dangers and how to use it, and the first time they are handed one to fire, they are so afraid that they follow all the rules to the T.

Certainly, the person in the situation you describe sounds like the complacent professional I mentioned above, and should be punished for it. The problem with gun culture in America, is that we have become so desensitized to them that all of us are in danger of becoming that complacent professional that shoots himself, or someone else.
 
Or you know, the responsibility could fall on the killer himself, or the Federal Agent that owned the gun. But lets ignore personal responsibility and play the fun game of politics!

That only works when the cons can't try and make political hay out of a tragic incident. Didn't you get the memo?
 
good point. too bad so many liberals would blame the NRA or the gun maker! the killer needs to be returned to mexico-one piece at a time. the agent may be blameless or should be brought up on charges. there is something to be said for deported felons who return being fair game

What "liberal" have you seen blame either for this murder?
 
i don't want my OP to sound like I'm glad this happened. it's a tragedy. and it always sickens me when the liberals turn a tragedy into political gain overnight. but my point is Trump and his comments have turned this entire issue into a grenade field for any politician to comment on. So this event encapsulates and motivates an ACTUAL DISCUSSION of the issue. that is why I think it might be an important case. It will help us solve the problem that many(up to now) were to politically scared to speak on.

You mean like you did? I bet those dastardly libby lib libtards made you do it!

Conservatives capitalize on tragedy to score political points as much or more than liberals do.

Exhibit A: This case.
Exhibit B: 9/11
 
man what a lying crock of BS this sack of feces is..


BS


no it didn't modern guns cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled



I'm pretty sure hunting sea lions is illegal in California

I buy precisely zero words of that guy's story. Even the "ands" and "thes" smell like week-old sushi.
 
So the federal agent should be held accountable, and of course all federal agents should have their guns confiscated. They are obviously too irresponsible to have guns. ;)

You are the king of straw. Literally nobody has even suggested anything close to this nonsensical bull****.

The guy yammering about gun registration (in a case where it never would have come into play) made a more valid, germane statement than that pile of feces.
 
Man. Politics in your world must be soooo simple.

Of course they are. Everything bad that happens is 100% the fault of the Democratic Party, QED, suck it libtard. That is his entire philosophy.
 
MANY LIBERALS is what I said NOT ALL

and Bernie is in favor of

"assault weapon bans"

waiting periods

and other idiocy

What the **** is wrong with a waiting period?
 
You are the king of straw. Literally nobody has even suggested anything close to this nonsensical bull****.

The guy yammering about gun registration (in a case where it never would have come into play) made a more valid, germane statement than that pile of feces.

I think most everyone else understood it to be sarcasm, but you.....it went right over your head.
 
I think most everyone else understood it to be sarcasm, but you.....it went right over your head.

Well, it's pretty hard to tell with you, since you rarely present an argument that isn't a strawman.
 
Guns are not safe for anyone, that is generally the point of a gun, is to be unsafe and kill people, weather its for defense, or otherwise. A gun is an inanimate object, and does not care who's hands its in, or what its pointed at. As humans, it goes without saying that even the most professional and proficient people make mistakes. When you are around guns all the time, one can become complacent about the danger a gun brings into any situation. People who are the most proficient and professional are arguable the most at risk of making ignorant mistakes. This can be explained easily. Take a gun and hand it to someone who has never fired on, or been around one before, educate them on the dangers and how to use it, and the first time they are handed one to fire, they are so afraid that they follow all the rules to the T.

Certainly, the person in the situation you describe sounds like the complacent professional I mentioned above, and should be punished for it. The problem with gun culture in America, is that we have become so desensitized to them that all of us are in danger of becoming that complacent professional that shoots himself, or someone else.

:slapme:

Oy vey; take out the word gun and insert "running with scissors." That makes more sense.
 
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