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S.C. Senate approves removal of Confederate flag

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S.C. Senate approves removal of Confederate flag

COLUMBIA, S.C. – The South Carolina Senate on Tuesday formally approved a bill removing the Confederate battle flag from the Statehouse grounds, where it has flown either atop the Capitol or on a nearby flagpole for 54 years.


The Senate, which had voted overwhelmingly in favor of the move Monday following hours of debate, sent the bill to the House. The bill could be taken up almost immediately -- or technical delays could push back the House debate as late as Friday.

In other news, Paramount Pictures has announced it will release a new version of Raiders of the Lost Ark in which all the swastikas are digitally removed.
 
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In other news, Paramount Pictures has announced it will release a new version of Raiders of the Lost Ark in which all the swastikas are digitally removed.

I didn't know that Paramount Pictures was flying a swastika at the capital of a US state.
 
I didn't know that Paramount Pictures was flying the Nazi flag over the capital of a US state.

I approve of the removal of the flag. My comment was satire on how Hollywood seems to be completely removed from what the rest of the country is discussing, thus entirely missing the point. I believe the allegory of the cave could be applied here.
 
While I see the flag as potentially decisive, and certainly questionable flying over a state capital, I'm going to openly contradict myself and say that removal of the symbol just gives it even greater power and further cements it as a symbol that represents something that it was never meant to represent.

If the communities that find it offensive simply embraced the symbol as it's own, I think in the long run it would be a much better strategy than trying to erase it from history.
 
Good. Shouldnt of been flying there in the first place.
 
I think it's the right move, but even as a supporter of getting the confederate flag out-of-government, I'm pretty blown away with the speed at which the anti-flag sentiment is sweeping the country.

But then, things sometimes go like that: an issue festers until near critical mass is hit, then some catalyst event occurs, and BAM!

For reference, N.B. France & the Colonies, in 1789 & 1776 respectively! :mrgreen:
 
I think it's the right move, but even as a supporter of getting the confederate flag out-of-government, I'm pretty blown away with the speed at which the anti-flag sentiment is sweeping the country.

But then, things sometimes go like that: an issue festers until near critical mass is hit, then some catalyst event occurs, and BAM!

For reference, N.B. France & the Colonies, in 1789 & 1776 respectively! :mrgreen:



I'm not surprised at all. It was a magnificently crafted ruse by the president. You see, it had nothing to do with race actually, but madness, insanity, a growing issue in all the world and one we are all struggling to deal with, from the whacked out street person wielding a screw driver, to the guy who loses it and in the name of something, a dog, race, politics, misogyny goes ape **** and kills people.

There is no solution, especially in the US where anyone can have a gun. There is no solution to the gun issue, so, make it racism and in so doing focus the attention on an emblem, an inanimate object.....for the people, it is a safe place in which to aim their anger and fear, it requires no thinking and makes people feel better and that something is being done. I have asked this before, but anyone who thinks this will change anything, please state how many mass killings won't happen because this 150 year old emblem is removed from state houses?

I agree, it flying where the national flag should be is odd, and maybe a good idea, but in the wake of a tragedy we are only burying, until the next one, the issues that triggered the tragedy.

Me? I say its an emblem...emblems, even the swastica never killed anyone, what people make them represent is what terrorizes the world.
 
Only cowards and PC mavens wish for that flag to be removed.
 
If I had a choice between taking down the flag or sane gun laws, I'd choose the sane gun laws. However, the flag coming down is a victory. And it is by no means hollow.
 
.... Well, I'm sure all of the people who were whining about leaving it up to the state congress will accept this quietly and without further questioning. :mrgreen:
 
Only cowards and PC mavens wish for that flag to be removed.

No, only people who don't eat with their elbows on the table and don't throw their Mc Donald's bag out the window and say yes sir and yes mam to their elders wish for that flag to be removed.
 
Pretty quiet up in this thread. I wonder where the defenders of the state's legislative progress went?
 
Pretty quiet up in this thread. I wonder where the defenders of the state's legislative progress went?

Grrr LEGISLATIVE ACTIVISM
 
Grrr LEGISLATIVE ACTIVISM

Nope. You're wrong. It's all about the PC mob. Never you mind that the SC Senate is controlled by Republicans and the vote was... 36... to 3? ;)
 
Right, because a fictional film set in a period where Nazis were around is totally the same thing as flying a swastika over a government building!

Would it have killed you to read two more posts?
 
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Racist bitch.
 
Well within the state legislators right and the correct way in deciding to lower it. I had no issue with SC keeping it up, but at the same time I am personally of the belief that the only flags flown over a state building should be a state flag and the stars and stripes.
 
I am conflicted. I am from SC. Lived there till I was 20 years old. Went to a highschool who's team names and mascot was the JF Byrnes Rebels.

Rebelliousness is a part of the culture, there. Francis Marion, the swamp fox, is a cultural hero, with all kinds of crap named after him. You see, the culture of rebellion predates the civil war and the stars and bars. Sure, Charlestown is full of old money, and quite a few of them opted to side with the brits, but the majority fought a very dirty war right in their own back yards to over throw what they saw as tyranny. Again, predates the stars and bars.

For me, that flag isn't about slavery. It's not about racism. It's a symbol of defiance. Now, it just happens that the LAST act of defiance was for something intolerably wrong. I don't wish to get into a debate about what the civil war was actually fought over, that's another thread. That's not my purpose. My purpose is to explain the culture of a people who use that flag as one of their key symbols. Ever watch the Dukes of Hazard? Well, they had that flag on the roof of their car, not because they wanted to own slaves, still. No, it's a symbol of defiance. And look at who they were. Law breakers. Moonshiners. You see the people that fly that flag proudly, you can almost bet that there are some laws they disagree with and therefor don't follow. I mean, that's WHY they make moonshine in the first place. The stuff isn't that good. But that's not the point. The point is to defy authority, especially when that authority is acting outside of it's curfew, like outlawing brewing unless heavy taxes are imposed. It was a tax on brewing that started the revolution in the first place!

Do I agree that the flag should be flying over the state capitol? No. I think they might the correct decision to take it down, but I think they came to that decision publically for all the wrong reasons. The flag should not be flying over the CAPITOL because it is the flag of a DEFEATED NATION. You don't see a swastica flying over Berlin. You don't see a royalist flag from the french revolution flying. Mexico's flag no longer flies over california of texas. You become a new country, or part of a new country, you get rid of the vestiges of the old. You want to preserve history, there are these places called museums designated specifically to that task.

But S.C.? Don't take the flag down because some nut job killed some people. Don't take it down because you fear political back lash, or national scrutiny. That just gives them venom to spit. Now it makes all of us rednecks from SC look like racist wife beater wearing gap toothed hicks who want to shout "The south will rise again!" while bemoaning the end of slavery. Those of us who defend the stars and bars don't do so because we agree with slavery, lol.
 
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