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Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

The schism broke my heart. I imagine now that other denominations will be sorely tested too and that other schisms will follow.

There is a contingent in the church I grew up in (the Methodists) who are pushing. :roll:

If they are successful, then they will follow the path of all Churches who choose to conform to the world and seek the approval of man. A sad thing.
 
They don't eschew it more than any other denomination.

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Somehow I don't think any of that is what Jesus had in mind, taught or died for....and I question your authority to speak for him and pass judgment in God's name. I'm pretty sure the bible condemns you for doing it, too.

Your username is apt.
 
There is a contingent in the church I grew up in (the Methodists) who are pushing. :roll:

If they are successful, then they will follow the path of all Churches who choose to conform to the world and seek the approval of man. A sad thing.

Yes. My best friend is United Methodist and active in her church, and I'm aware that there are tensions among some. To paraphrase the Evangelical Lutheran bishop I cited earlier, "We are not of one mind."
 
Yes. My best friend is United Methodist and active in her church, and I'm aware that there are tensions among some. To paraphrase the Evangelical Lutheran bishop I cited earlier, "We are not of one mind."

There are those who want to split the Church and those who want to "federalize" the issue, and leave it at the local level, rather than at the General Conference level. All those are bad options. If you don't believe with the Methodist Church that strongly... well, you should leave. The Episcopalians need people.
 
:roll: Christ also didn't say anything about rape or pedophilia. He did define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, and the New Testament is pretty clear on the subject.

Woah! Jesus defined marriage as between one man and one woman? Are you talking about Matthew 19 wherein he also said that anyone divorces is committing a sex sin and, simultaneously, does not define marriage?
 
:roll: Christ also didn't say anything about rape or pedophilia. He did define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, and the New Testament is pretty clear on the subject.

In fact, His first miracle was performed at a wedding, thus honoring the union of a man and a woman.
 
There are those who want to split the Church and those who want to "federalize" the issue, and leave it at the local level, rather than at the General Conference level. All those are bad options. If you don't believe with the Methodist Church that strongly... well, you should leave. The Episcopalians need people.

Just leaving may not be a satisfactory option either for lifelong Methodists.
 
Woah! Jesus defined marriage as between one man and one woman? Are you talking about Matthew 19 wherein he also said that anyone divorces is committing a sex sin and, simultaneously, does not define marriage?

He does indeed define marriage, and he did so as a union between a man and a woman that was for life, and made the two of them into one being. He did so by referencing Genesis Chapter 2 (Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh) as the source of defined Marriage "from the beginning". You are correct he also said that divorce was wrong, excepting in cases of sexual immorality (so, if one spouse cheats on another), although he didn't say "divorce" was a "sex sin", he said that if you divorced one person to marry another you were committing adultery.
 
Just leaving may not be a satisfactory option either for lifelong Methodists.

Then they are free to remain Methodists.

It is like if I wanted to remain Catholic, but insisted that in order for me to remain Catholic, the Catholic Church needed to adopt Sola Scriptura and get rid of the Pope (I am not an RCC member, simply using the example). My demands are not only unreasonable (everyone else must change for me), but they also indicate a hypocrisy at play - despite my claims, I do not, in fact, want to be Catholic. I want to be something else and call that Catholic, and make everyone else do so as well.
 
Then they are free to remain Methodists.

It is like if I wanted to remain Catholic, but insisted that in order for me to remain Catholic, the Catholic Church needed to adopt Sola Scriptura and get rid of the Pope (I am not an RCC member, simply using the example). My demands are not only unreasonable (everyone else must change for me), but they also indicate a hypocrisy at play - despite my claims, I do not, in fact, want to be Catholic. I want to be something else and call that Catholic, and make everyone else do so as well.

For those who find that the issue is important, if the Church teaching on it is something you can't live with - go elsewhere. Otherwise, don't.
 
In fact, His first miracle was performed at a wedding, thus honoring the union of a man and a woman.

:mrgreen: not to mention home-brews :D
 
The schism broke my heart. I imagine now that other denominations will be sorely tested too and that other schisms will follow.

Looks like the word of God is changing.
 
They do. But, as has been pointed out, this is a discussion for another thread :)

If other Christians can judge another for not being real Christians based on their interpretation of the bible, then this is the perfect thread to have that discussion ....and too, you're not a moderator.
 
You realize Christ is God, right?

Some are morons, it happens.
Actually, there are 26 bible verses where Jesus said he was the "Son of God". As a Christian, how come you didn't know that?
 
Actually, there are 26 bible verses where Jesus said he was the "Son of God". As a Christian, how come you didn't know that?

He also said He and God are one in the same. What's your point? Do you believe any of it?
 
If other Christians can judge another for not being real Christians based on their interpretation of the bible, then this is the perfect thread to have that discussion ....and too, you're not a moderator.

We have a forum for that - it's the religious forum. If you want to have the discussion down there, start the thread and quote me, I'll come :).

Actually, there are 26 bible verses where Jesus said he was the "Son of God". As a Christian, how come you didn't know that?

Jesus called himself the Son of Man, He didn't call himself the Son of God 26 times. He did claim to be God, describing himself as the "I Am", describing God as his Father, and not correcting others when they described him as the Son of God or as God.

"Son of God" in the NT

Regardless, His authority is pretty clear when it comes to assigning Gods's picture of how marriage is supposed to function.
 
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We have a forum for that - it's the religious forum. If you want to have the discussion down there, start the thread and quote me, I'll come :).
Okay, fair enough. :)



Jesus called himself the Son of Man, He didn't call himself the Son of God 26 times. He did claim to be God, describing himself as the "I Am", describing God as his Father, and not correcting others when they described him as the Son of God or as God.

"Son of God" in the NT

Regardless, His authority is pretty clear when it comes to assigning Gods's picture of how marriage is supposed to function.

Here's the full chapter of 1 John 5:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1] John+5&version=NIV

The entire chapter is devoted to saying Jesus is the Son of God and God is the Father. It also says that we're are all children of God. But at the very end it says that through Jesus the Son one can come to know the God... the Father. That's still two separate entities. Also, if Jesus is God then who is he talking to when he's hanging on the cross and asking for God's mercy? Himself? And when God calls down from the Heaven to say he approves of his son Jesus....how does that make them one and the same?
 
Actually, there are 26 bible verses where Jesus said he was the "Son of God". As a Christian, how come you didn't know that?

You persist in trying to drag this thread off-topic. The topic is the Episcopal Church voting yes to performing single-sex marriages, not whether "other Christians can judge another for not being real Christians based on their interpretation of the bible" or whether the LDS are Christians or whether a "real Christian" would know the number of Bible verses in which Jesus said He was the Son of God.

BTW, I didn't know the number and don't care. What I do care about is discussing this decision by the Episcopal Church and other mainline denoms that may follow suit.
 
You persist in trying to drag this thread off-topic. The topic is the Episcopal Church voting yes to performing single-sex marriages, not whether "other Christians can judge another for not being real Christians based on their interpretation of the bible" or whether the LDS are Christians or whether a "real Christian" would know the number of Bible verses in which Jesus said He was the Son of God.

BTW, I didn't know the number and don't care. What I do care about is discussing this decision by the Episcopal Church and other mainline denoms that may follow suit.
Well, I beg to differ nota bene. From the OP...

It looks like some Christians don't see a problem with approving of same sex marriage. I wonder how many will say this just 'proves' Episcopalians aren't 'real' Christians

She wanted to see how many would say Episcopalians weren't real Christians. And then you came in and started defending the guy that said they weren't. lol So where do you stand on the issue, nota bene? Are you a "real" Christian?

But I can understand how you might want to control the thread and only want to talk about what you want to talk about. But there are other people besides you who would also like to talk about the topic in the OP. But frankly, I don't see why people can't do both. You can talk to people about what you want to and I can talk to people about what to. That's fair, isn't it?

Btw, if I belonged to an organized religion, it would be Episcopalian. :)
 
That's nice. Then maybe you'd like to stick to the stipulated topic in the baiting "speculation" of the OP: Episcopalians and what "others" might be saying about them.
 
That's nice. Then maybe you'd like to stick to the stipulated topic in the baiting "speculation" of the OP: Episcopalians and what "others" might be saying about them.

I see your point and admittedly I did kinda did stray from the on going discussion a bit. It wasn't my intention, it just kind of happened. So anyway, please accept my apologies for any disturbance I may have caused to the thread.
 
I have to question their religious faith at this point and the fact that they have abandoned God word to make men happy there will be a split in the church and people will leave and the church will drop in attendance.

Paul even wrote against this as well.

Abandoned their faith? Like all the churches that accept without question the adulterers and fornicators? And I dont mean past sins, but currently sinning. Take their donations and church offerings, marry them without question, etc?

(And I dont mean the Catholic Church here)
 
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