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Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches

No you are trying to make the Christian definition of murder ambiguous by using disparities on how secular govts define murder.

No. Murder is unlawful killing. That is the definition of murder. There are relatively only a few murders mentioned in the Bible, but plenty of cases of justified homicide, including a woman being raped in the city who doesn't call for help and killing gay people and witches.
 
We arent talking about killing as a judicial punishment but murder for the sake of murder because s9meone thinks its not against the Bible

You are seriously confusing the definitions of killing and murder.
 
I find your Avatar really insulting.

Thank you

And I'm speaking as a 5th generation Texan.

Is that supposed to mean something? Im 8th generation on my moms side and 6th on my dads. In fact my great-great-great grandfather was a doctor for the north in the civil war. They even named a Texas town after him, maybe you have head of it, Colleyville.

The confederate flag means nothing to me and pretty much nothing to most Texans. We arent about being a part of the confederacy or even the US for that matter, we stand alone as The Republic of Texas.

I only have the avatar to piss of whiny liberals who are easily offended. Glad to know its working. Hate is keeping the flag alive but not hated of black people but liberals hatred of the south.
 
You are seriously confusing the definitions of killing and murder.

Im not confusing anything, I made it clear that my question was about premeditated cold blooded murder that no one would argue wasnt murder and instead of answering the question honestly everyone is talking about the definition of murder to skirt admitting the hypocrisy of their position
 
Im not confusing anything, I made it clear that my question was about premeditated cold blooded murder that no one would argue wasnt murder and instead of answering the question honestly everyone is talking about the definition of murder to skirt admitting the hypocrisy of their position

There are people who would argue that though. But besides that, the contention was not just about one instance of what "thou shalt not kill" covers, but rather all of them.
 
There are people who would argue that though. But besides that, the contention was not just about one instance of what "thou shalt not kill" covers, but rather all of them.

The question is, is someone still a Christian if they claim to be a Christian and they continually commit cold blooded premeditated murder under the insistence that the Bible doesnt say its a sin?

There are only 2 answers. either yes that anyone who says the are a Christian is one no matter the blatant disregard for the Bible or no that such an obvious breech of God's law means they can not be considered a Christian no matter what they claim.

Yall seem to have created a third option. Where either you are not a Christian and have to basis to really discuss the issue or you are a Christian and have so little conviction in your faith you cant even admit that is an act that could be universally be considered murder by all Christians.
 
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Silly protesters...
 
We aren't the only creatures on earth that breathe. Nor were we even close to the first.

Anyone who is familiar with Genesis knows God created the plants and animals first. Your point?
 
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)





Just to name a few

That was God doling out punishment to those who went against his children.
 
The question is, is someone still a Christian if they claim to be a Christian and they continually commit cold blooded premeditated murder under the insistence that the Bible doesnt say its a sin?

There are only 2 answers. either yes that anyone who says the are a Christian is one no matter the blatant disregard for the Bible or no that such an obvious breech of God's law means they can not be considered a Christian no matter what they claim.

Yall seem to have created a third option. Where either you are not a Christian and have to basis to really discuss the issue or you are a Christian and have so little conviction in your faith you cant even admit that is an act that could be universally be considered murder by all Christians.

Yes, they are still Christian because you haven't even given the scenario of the "cold blooded murder", plus it is not necessary to completely believe in or follow the Bible to be a Christian, only to try to follow Jesus, or what they believe Jesus taught.
 
The Bible was written by men, influenced by their current culture & superstitions and without being able to take into account many things we know today. It's obvious even today men are freaked out by homosexuality. Easy enough to stuff those prejudices into the Bible and claim it as God's Word.

actually the bible was inspired by God and written by men that were inspired by God to write down those things that he said.
It had nothing to do with prejudices or anything else. the Israelites were called by God to be different race of people with different ethical values and system compared to their
hedonistic neighbors. For most of their existance Israel was a migrating people in which homosexuality would have put even more stress on their population than
what already existed.

I go by the overall message of God and Jesus: peace, love, forgiveness, and treating your fellow man as you would yourself.

Do you believe God created the Earth in 6 days?

Yep and there is also the admonition of sin and other things that were are to bring toward people.
You either believe what the bible says about marriage or you don't. if you don't then that is on you not me.

With God all things are possible and nothing is impossible.
 
Anyone who is familiar with Genesis knows God created the plants and animals first. Your point?

I feel it's worth pointing out that the time differential was more than a day. Or a few days.
 
I should have let the comment slide. One of the great things about the U.S. is we all get to practice our religion according to our own beliefs and consciences. I really have no interest in debating whose interpretation of the 100s of religions and 1,000s of sects is the correct one. The Episcopalians are one of those thousands. Good for them in my view. Others who have different views have many others to choose from.


And that's the problem with religion. You pick what you WANT to believe.
Silly superstitions.
 
We arent talking about killing as a judicial punishment but murder for the sake of murder because s9meone thinks its not against the Bible

Hence my example. They used the Bible to justify their murder for the sake of forcing their religion on others. They interpreted the Bible to justify that. When God gave us free will and clearly told us that we could choose to follow Him or not.
 
Thank you



Is that supposed to mean something? Im 8th generation on my moms side and 6th on my dads. In fact my great-great-great grandfather was a doctor for the north in the civil war. They even named a Texas town after him, maybe you have head of it, Colleyville.


Great you owned a **** hole of country bumpkins:roll:
 
I feel it's worth pointing out that the time differential was more than a day. Or a few days.

It was totally a day.....

Says so right in the bible..... What? You don't believe the literal word?
 
Likely 1000s of years.

Then why did they write extremely specific days down?

So I guess the Bible shouldnt be taken literally, word for word, after all.

Thanks!
 
Then why did they write extremely specific days down?

So I guess the Bible shouldnt be taken literally, word for word, after all.

Thanks!
Only when it is convenient........
 
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