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50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

If you actually believe that peace was ever won in Iraq....then it is pretty clear who the incompetent one is. ISIS wasn't created because Obama "buried his head in the sand". ISIS was created as a direct result of the stupidity of the prior administration not having the foresight to understand what would happen if they went in and created chaos in an already volatile region. Cheney and Rumsfield completely miscalculated and believed that the US would be embraced as liberators. Iraq is a perfect example of why the US shouldn't attempt to get involved in civil war conflicts in other countries...and especially what can happen if you don't educate yourself properly before you go in. There wouldn't be an ISIS today if Bush hadn't made the lame ass decision to manipulate public fear to "justify" a decades old Neo-con desire to invade Iraq.

Actually as has been shown you don't have a lot of credibility when it comes to predictions?

Did the stimulus keep unemployment below 8% as predicted?

Is it fact or fiction that Obama inherited 142 million employed Americans that two years later well after the stimulus was 139 million?

Is it fact or fiction that the Democrat controlled Senate with total control of the oversight committee voted 76-23 to authorize the war?

is it fact or opinion that Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act?

Is it fact or fiction that Iraq had no territory under ISIS control when Bush left office?

Now give me your versions of the facts?
 
Did you read the December 1998 Presidential Daily Briefing?

FFS

1998?

No, I read the May 21 1861 briefing and have found that you need to attack Georgia this instant.

Look, if the Excited States hasn't improved its security in 17 years, 14 of them in all out warfare, you don't deserve to be a country.

That's not national security, that's paranoia
 
FFS

1998?

No, I read the May 21 1861 briefing and have found that you need to attack Georgia this instant.

Look, if the Excited States hasn't improved its security in 17 years, 14 of them in all out warfare, you don't deserve to be a country.

That's not national security, that's paranoia

Well then was Lincoln right in fighting the civil war? Suggest you read the December PDB you would have understood what would have prevented the invasion of Iraq
 
No, "your" President pulled out all the troops and didn't negotiate a peace keeping force to remain. He bowed to the wishes of his leftwing base and we are paying for that today and for a long time in the future.

Once the rolling up of the Intel took place, we can see why it spread like it did. There is no getting around that fact.

Buuuuush can't do anything now. Its BO peeps turn.....how BO goes about it, is all on him.
 
Of course you don't care but I will be happy to tell my father in law who stormed the beaches at Normandy and then traveled across France into Germany to help free Europe of your appreciation.

Oh gawd not WW2 again .... that didn't take long. :lol: I'll remember to thank the Russians first because they had it won long before Normandy

You obviously don't understand the U.S. govt. but Congress approved the invasion of Iraq and started with the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998. Stupidity is listening to people like you who were kept free from German occupation. Hindsight is 20-20 but so is European ignorance as well as ignorance in this country from people who always react instead of being proactive

BS . This was Bush's war and he had decided on this course of action within days of 9/11. The fact that it got rubber stamped by others later doesn't make that any less true or any less wrong
 
Well then was Lincoln right in fighting the civil war? Suggest you read the December PDB you would have understood what would have prevented the invasion of Iraq

I'm just laughing. Carry on.

BTW. It is Canada Day here. There are parties and speeches and one of them is decidedly anti-american, calls you all war mongers.

Invade this instant there might be a terrorist in there ready to destroy "the greatest nation on earth"

Too funny. I'm going now, to celebrate freedom, and the fact that the only nation that ever attacked Canad was the US, and we drove you out both times.
 
Actually as has been shown you don't have a lot of credibility when it comes to predictions?

Did the stimulus keep unemployment below 8% as predicted?

Is it fact or fiction that Obama inherited 142 million employed Americans that two years later well after the stimulus was 139 million?

Is it fact or fiction that the Democrat controlled Senate with total control of the oversight committee voted 76-23 to authorize the war?

is it fact or opinion that Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act?

Is it fact or fiction that Iraq had no territory under ISIS control when Bush left office?

Now give me your versions of the facts?

You are clearly attempting to grasp at straws Con. You are correct about 1 thing and that is that the spineless Democrats were so afraid of their own shadows and being portrayed by Bush (You are either with us or against us) as being weak that they handed him and Cheney Carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted in Iraq. They share the responsibility for the stupidity of the entire Iraq fiasco. But make no doubt about it....it was GWB/Cheney and Rumsfield who concocoted the dumbass idea and manipulated the public fears to "justify" their actions.

When Bush left office, Iraq was a destabalized mess. As with everything else, he left it for the next guy to clean up (remember...this was YEARs after he attempted to claim that the mission was accomplished). Also...remember how they said we'd be in and out in a year? Shows how little homework they did before going in.

The reality that you try to run away and hide from is that ISIS wouldn't exist today if Bush hadn't gone in and destabalized and already volatile region with no plan in place to deal with the chaos that they created. If you believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield actually had a viable plan....I'd love to hear what you tought it was. However, as usual with you, I suspect that we will hear nothing other than crickets because you don't know what you are talking about and just want to accept your conclusion that everything your hero did created a world utopia especially for America.
 
Oh gawd not WW2 again .... that didn't take long. :lol: I'll remember to thank the Russians first because they had it won long before Normandy



BS . This was Bush's war and he had decided on this course of action within days of 9/11. The fact that it got rubber stamped by others later doesn't make that any less true or any less wrong



More, we need more melodrama. How is it the call to war never mentions the quest for freedom in Vietnam and the half million Americans who kept America safe.
 
More, we need more melodrama. How is it the call to war never mentions the quest for freedom in Vietnam and the half million Americans who kept America safe.

And the 2.5 million Vietnamese who paid the ultimate price helping massage America's bruised ego after the Bay Of Pigs fiasco
 
You are clearly attempting to grasp at straws Con. You are correct about 1 thing and that is that the spineless Democrats were so afraid of their own shadows and being portrayed by Bush (You are either with us or against us) as being weak that they handed him and Cheney Carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted in Iraq. They share the responsibility for the stupidity of the entire Iraq fiasco. But make no doubt about it....it was GWB/Cheney and Rumsfield who concocoted the dumbass idea and manipulated the public fears to "justify" their actions.
Why not supply the entire quote of 'with us or against us'? If you do not understand the context then you'll jump to false conclusion. No one was 'manipulated.

When Bush left office, Iraq was a destabalized mess. As with everything else, he left it for the next guy to clean up (remember...this was YEARs after he attempted to claim that the mission was accomplished). Also...remember how they said we'd be in and out in a year? Shows how little homework they did before going in.
This is also so false that one has to question your sources. Who is feeding this crap? Or are you just making it up in order to express your feelings rather than facts? FLASHBACK

The reality that you try to run away and hide from is that ISIS wouldn't exist today if Bush hadn't gone in and destabalized and already volatile region with no plan in place to deal with the chaos that they created. If you believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield actually had a viable plan....I'd love to hear what you tought it was. However, as usual with you, I suspect that we will hear nothing other than crickets because you don't know what you are talking about and just want to accept your conclusion that everything your hero did created a world utopia especially for America.
You are an embarrassment to the education system in your country.
 
Oh gawd not WW2 again .... that didn't take long. :lol: I'll remember to thank the Russians first because they had it won long before Normandy



BS . This was Bush's war and he had decided on this course of action within days of 9/11. The fact that it got rubber stamped by others later doesn't make that any less true or any less wrong

Really? 9/11/01 compared to when we went into Iraq? What date was that again? Seems that you want badly to focus on what Bush did and not what Congress authorized and what Obama is doing about it now. Love foreigners like you who are so arrogant that they don't truly understand who saved their asses.
 
You are clearly attempting to grasp at straws Con. You are correct about 1 thing and that is that the spineless Democrats were so afraid of their own shadows and being portrayed by Bush (You are either with us or against us) as being weak that they handed him and Cheney Carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted in Iraq. They share the responsibility for the stupidity of the entire Iraq fiasco. But make no doubt about it....it was GWB/Cheney and Rumsfield who concocoted the dumbass idea and manipulated the public fears to "justify" their actions.

When Bush left office, Iraq was a destabalized mess. As with everything else, he left it for the next guy to clean up (remember...this was YEARs after he attempted to claim that the mission was accomplished). Also...remember how they said we'd be in and out in a year? Shows how little homework they did before going in.

The reality that you try to run away and hide from is that ISIS wouldn't exist today if Bush hadn't gone in and destabalized and already volatile region with no plan in place to deal with the chaos that they created. If you believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield actually had a viable plan....I'd love to hear what you tought it was. However, as usual with you, I suspect that we will hear nothing other than crickets because you don't know what you are talking about and just want to accept your conclusion that everything your hero did created a world utopia especially for America.

Well, well, well, more opinions on your part not answering the direct questions and trying to divert more from reality. "Your" President called Iraq Stable so was he wrong? Isn't that what he said about us leaving Iraq?

FLASHBACK—Obama:
‘We’re Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq’
 
Well, well, well, more opinions on your part not answering the direct questions and trying to divert more from reality. "Your" President called Iraq Stable so was he wrong? Isn't that what he said about us leaving Iraq?

FLASHBACK—Obama:

Yes....our President was wrong as well. Anyone who believes that Iraq is currently or has been "stable" in the last couple of decades is a fool or is just politically grandstanding. Obama is guilty of that as well.
 
Yes....our President was wrong as well. Anyone who believes that Iraq is currently or has been "stable" in the last couple of decades is a fool or is just politically grandstanding. Obama is guilty of that as well.

Why would "your" president say such a thing almost 3 years after Bush left office? When were you in Iraq? Appreciate your "expert" opinion but don't see a lot of support for it. Tell me what part of Iraq ISIS controlled when Bush left office and when U.S. troops were on the ground?
 
Yes....our President was wrong as well. Anyone who believes that Iraq is currently or has been "stable" in the last couple of decades is a fool or is just politically grandstanding. Obama is guilty of that as well.
You seem to have facts and beliefs exclusive to yourself.
 
Well, well, well, more opinions on your part not answering the direct questions and trying to divert more from reality. "Your" President called Iraq Stable so was he wrong? Isn't that what he said about us leaving Iraq?

FLASHBACK—Obama:
12 years, 2 months ago.
Bush, May 1, 2003, aboard an Aircraft Carrier. Bring back any memories?
The banner- the speech?
 
Why would "your" president say such a thing almost 3 years after Bush left office? When were you in Iraq? Appreciate your "expert" opinion but don't see a lot of support for it. Tell me what part of Iraq ISIS controlled when Bush left office and when U.S. troops were on the ground?

ISIS wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the destabalization of the region. That is an absolute fact. As for the rest, Obama, I'm sure said Iraq was "stable" because he was attempted to make political points. I don't know of anyone who would legitimately state that Iraq has been stable in the last several decades.
 
12 years, 2 months ago.
Bush, May 1, 2003, aboard an Aircraft Carrier. Bring back any memories?
The banner- the speech?

What exactly did Bush say on that carrier and what was the context?
 
12 years, 2 months ago.
Bush, May 1, 2003, aboard an Aircraft Carrier. Bring back any memories?
The banner- the speech?

What exactly did Bush say on that carrier and what was the context?
 
What exactly did Bush say on that carrier and what was the context?

Let me guess....you are one of those who believe that the "Mission Accomplished" banner prominently displayed behind GWB during his political posturing was just a "coincidence"....am I right?
 
Let me guess....you are one of those who believe that the "Mission Accomplished" banner prominently displayed behind GWB during his political posturing was just a "coincidence"....am I right?

Let me guess.....you are one of those that believed BO peep when he called Daesh the JV team, Right? I'll bet you think they aren't Islamic too.
 
ISIS wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the destabalization of the region. That is an absolute fact. As for the rest, Obama, I'm sure said Iraq was "stable" because he was attempted to make political points. I don't know of anyone who would legitimately state that Iraq has been stable in the last several decades.

So in other words you cannot or won't answer the question. again, what part of Iraq was under ISIS control when Bush left office?
 
ISIS wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the destabalization of the region. That is an absolute fact. As for the rest, Obama, I'm sure said Iraq was "stable" because he was attempted to make political points. I don't know of anyone who would legitimately state that Iraq has been stable in the last several decades.

Cmon now......you can't let Joe Biden off the hook so easily.
 
Let me guess....you are one of those who believe that the "Mission Accomplished" banner prominently displayed behind GWB during his political posturing was just a "coincidence"....am I right?

Yep, didn't expect much less from you but the Mission Accomplished Banner was misinterpreted by the left knowing people like you would buy the rhetoric. Mission Accomplished was for the Carrier and its mission. If it was for the war he would have done it in Baghdad
 
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