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50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

Do you see a connection between the attack of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq?

Indeed. Would there even be an ISIS were Hussein still in charge ? Why were we killing Iraqis when 9/11 was planned executed and paid for by Saudi's ? Go figure :roll:
 
Thanks for telling me the date. Now what's George W Bush's record on prominent terrorists' capture or kills? :coffeepap

Last time I checked all of Iraq was under Iraqi control when Bush left office and ISIS was out of the country. Last I checked ISIS wasn't attacking Kabul when Bush was in office either.
 
Last time I checked all of Iraq was under Iraqi control when Bush left office and ISIS was out of the country. Last I checked ISIS wasn't attacking Kabul when Bush was in office either.

This entire scenario is Bush's legacy to history. It needn't have been like this had he not used Iraq as the patsy for 9/11
 
This entire scenario is Bush's legacy to history. It needn't have been like this had he not used Iraq as the patsy for 9/11

Again, tell me why the Democrat Controlled Senate and Oversight Committee with the same intelligence as Bush authorized the war? You can start by reading the Iraq Liberation Act signed by Clinton in 1998
 
OK, and I would have stayed out of Iraq to begin with.

But, the past is not mutable. The situation is what it is. So, what should be done about ISIS having attacked Egypt now?

I know this would be a radical action, but maybe he should make it a priority...something he is wiling to openly discuss and loudly proclaim as a threat. Maybe he should work with whatever world leaders he hasnt managed to alienate and that might still trust US in spite of him and develop a global coalition againts ISIS. Hell...even Al Qaida came out yesterday and said ISIS is disqualified from 'paradise'.

To Obama's credit...he is engaging where most of the world is not. He is using drones, sending in troops and advisers. The PROBLEM with that though, is we have seen that failed strategy in a place called Vietnam. We have seen what happens when you send in handfuls of support and people.

ISIS is bold. They are bold because they have a current realistic expectation that they can do whatever the **** they want. If things are going to change, they are going to have to be disabused of that notion in a major way.
 
Again, tell me why the Democrat Controlled Senate and Oversight Committee with the same intelligence as Bush authorized the war? You can start by reading the Iraq Liberation Act signed by Clinton in 1998

I couldn't care less about your US centric party political bickering I'm not American. Post 9/11 it was Bush that made the decision to go to war with the wrong country so blaming the consequences of such stupidity on successive administrations is being disingenuous to say the least
 
Yes, I served during the Vietnam war...

Thank you too.

You fight wars to win them and that isn't what we did in Iraq.

I agree with that completely.

I don't think there was ever a point at which we fought the war in Iraq (or the war in Afghanistan) "to win it".

I don't think we fought in such a manner under President Bush, I don't think we fought in such a manner under president Obama.

I think the "surge" was a stop gap that kind of prevented things from sliding completely over the edge, but I can't think of any point where we were even close to saying, "yeah, we can chalk this one up as a victory and put it to bed."

I don't think the desired end state of the war in Iraq was ever defined in such a way that winning was even a possibility.

Well, that's not entirely true.

There was some vague notion early on that the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms and transition peacefully into Jeffersonian democracy and submit to our authority as some kind of vassal state if only we would depose Saddam Hussein.

By July or August of 2003 it was clear that whoever came up with that idea was a retard but at that point we just sort of shifted to fighting the insurgency by pretending they were terrorists and nobody came up with any revised idea of what victory might look like.

Things eventually got better from the perspective of the unmitigated violence lessening, and that was good, but we never arrived at a point politically where both we and the Iraqis knew what we wanted to achieve and were either working toward that goal or even working on a plan that would start us out toward that goal.

In the end we were just throwing good money, and lives, after bad and stringing things along to the degree that only Halliburton and Lockheed Martin were coming out ahead.

So yeah, at that point it's time to cut and run.

And now you want to wade back in to that same political cesspool because of ISIS?

Sorry brother, no thank you.
 
That's where the latest attack took place.

But, you're right. That's not where ISIS is based. Moreover, Egypt has a military of its own. Let's let them deal with the attack.

As for the rest of my post, to wit:



Should the US go play world cop eradicating evil all around the world?

Would we be successful if we tried?


No not all around the world.....but this evil, does need to be eradicated.

Moreover.....Daesh is everyones problem. Not just ours, although.....they did put the bullseye on us, didn't they?
 
In Fundamentalist Right Wing Conservative land, the US is supposed to be at war with the entire Middle East (and northern Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan if that's what it takes).

Oh, and America needs to lower its spending.



Oh, and did you get this from inside of one of their secret meetings. Cmon now.....fess up, who snuck you in. I'll bet it was Bush Jr, huh?
 
Bush jr. was known to have said that he would finish the Iraq job his daddy didn't do. This was even before he was nominated president. He said he would use his political capital. He loved that word. If the justice system can use jail house snitches to bring the bad guys to trial and prosecution, then we should go after bush the same way for ? Premeditated murder, maybe treason also. Or at least pull out of middle east altogether. It's always been the military being involved in what was ultimately oil company profits anyway. Hundreds of thousands dead and trillions spent for nothing but profit for oil companies, halliburton, etc. One link below.


Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
 
No not all around the world.....but this evil, does need to be eradicated.

Moreover.....Daesh is everyones problem. Not just ours, although.....they did put the bullseye on us, didn't they?

ISIS talks a big game...but have they invaded the US like they have the ME? Sure, we have lone wolf kooks...which we are catching almost everyday. Those kooks are our norm...if not ISIS they would have found another agenda. It seems that Europe is not concerned about ISIS..until then, I think we should be Switzerland on the issue.
 
ISIS talks a big game...but have they invaded the US like they have the ME? Sure, we have lone wolf kooks...which we are catching almost everyday. Those kooks are our norm...if not ISIS they would have found another agenda. It seems that Europe is not concerned about ISIS..until then, I think we should be Switzerland on the issue.



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Indeed they do. No they haven't......not yet. But they are spreading out and have supporters in 90 countries. The Egyptians can handle this and will get some payback.

But this wont affect them from still spreading. Already they are in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, with the African Continent. Their wing that will move west to the Atlantic Coast after Control of those countries can be established or held.

Then they have spread to Indonesia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. Jumping off East.

Which this doesn't count those like Boko Haram from pledging allegiance to them.

With Syria and Iraq they have to much going back and forth over those border crossings.
 
I would have negotiated keeping U.S troops in Iraq to prevent ISIS from gaining a foothold in that country and then becoming embolden like they have.

Kurds are accepting volunteers. You will need a minimum of 5 k US to purchase gear and a good weapon.
Better than someone else’s daughter, son, father or mother taking the hit for a losing battle.
Clearly the Govt. cannot do it, but you can pony up to the plate.
Put your ass on the line.
 
You ignore the threat until thousands of Americans are killed, just like what was done prior to 9/11, that seems to be the liberal policy

Oh. My. God.


so you have evidence these people are planning to blow up the Pentagon?

Why not just nuke everyone not American since your so frightened?
 
This sounds like Egypt's problem more so than the US. The question is...what will Egypt do about it?

Right, and ISIS only cares about Egypt? You think the thread is about Egypt and not the problem with ISIS?
 
Continuing the same ol' "Nation building" incompetent nonsense started by Bush. ISIS wouldn't be there if we hadn't engaged in our Infinity War in the first place.

So eradicating ISIS is nation building? you have been indoctrinated well.
 
I couldn't care less about your US centric party political bickering I'm not American. Post 9/11 it was Bush that made the decision to go to war with the wrong country so blaming the consequences of such stupidity on successive administrations is being disingenuous to say the least

Of course you don't care but I will be happy to tell my father in law who stormed the beaches at Normandy and then traveled across France into Germany to help free Europe of your appreciation.

You obviously don't understand the U.S. govt. but Congress approved the invasion of Iraq and started with the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998. Stupidity is listening to people like you who were kept free from German occupation. Hindsight is 20-20 but so is European ignorance as well as ignorance in this country from people who always react instead of being proactive
 
I would like our troops to regain the territory lost in Iraq by destroying ISIS there and then not elect an incompetent replacement liberal President to keep the peace that was won in Iraq. Burying your head in the sand has led to the creation and growth of ISIS. I had three family members in Iraq and not one of them is an Obama supporter.

If you actually believe that peace was ever won in Iraq....then it is pretty clear who the incompetent one is. ISIS wasn't created because Obama "buried his head in the sand". ISIS was created as a direct result of the stupidity of the prior administration not having the foresight to understand what would happen if they went in and created chaos in an already volatile region. Cheney and Rumsfield completely miscalculated and believed that the US would be embraced as liberators. Iraq is a perfect example of why the US shouldn't attempt to get involved in civil war conflicts in other countries...and especially what can happen if you don't educate yourself properly before you go in. There wouldn't be an ISIS today if Bush hadn't made the lame ass decision to manipulate public fear to "justify" a decades old Neo-con desire to invade Iraq.
 
So eradicating ISIS is nation building? you have been indoctrinated well.

No, our misguided Nation Building attempts and our Infinity War brought about an environment that allowed ISIS to exist in the first place. Try reading next time instead of knee-jerk political hackery.
 
Kurds are accepting volunteers. You will need a minimum of 5 k US to purchase gear and a good weapon.
Better than someone else’s daughter, son, father or mother taking the hit for a losing battle.
Clearly the Govt. cannot do it, but you can pony up to the plate.
Put your ass on the line.

Kurds are doing quite well but Obama with his policies are sending weapons and equipment through Baghdad that isn't getting to the Kurds. I ponied up in the 60's when did you? You aren't very good at research or you would have known that.
 
Oh. My. God.


so you have evidence these people are planning to blow up the Pentagon?

Why not just nuke everyone not American since your so frightened?

Did you read the December 1998 Presidential Daily Briefing?
 
No, our misguided Nation Building attempts and our Infinity War brought about an environment that allowed ISIS to exist in the first place. Try reading next time instead of knee-jerk political hackery.

No, "your" President pulled out all the troops and didn't negotiate a peace keeping force to remain. He bowed to the wishes of his leftwing base and we are paying for that today and for a long time in the future.
 
Kurds are doing quite well but Obama with his policies are sending weapons and equipment through Baghdad that isn't getting to the Kurds. I ponied up in the 60's when did you? You aren't very good at research or you would have known that.

I do not read profiles-
I did from 76 till 2000
24 1/2 years.
 
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