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50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

iguanaman said:
Actually that is exactly what GW Bush did before 911. Ignored the threats like “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” and went on vacation at his ranch instead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0
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LOL, yes, no doubt, Bush was to do in 7 months what Clinton didn't do in 8 years. What exactly should Bush have done? Again, typical Obama supporter and liberal, keep ignoring reality

http://fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb120498.pdf
 
CMPancake said:
I am not ignoring the threat. I understand fully well that ISIS is a threat. What I am not behind is giving the Government more of my tax dollars for an effort that will just create more terrorists.
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Terrorists have been created regardless of what you think and the reality is liberalism and political correctness have led to that creation. You fight wars to win not to appease liberal perceptions.
 
BrewerBob said:
It is horrible. But there is nothing the U.S. can do about ISIS that countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia can't do. Egypt has an excellent military and Saudi Arabia has plenty of money. I am all for helping those who can't help themselves. But this isn't such a case.
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This isn't about Egypt and Saudi Arabia, this is about ISIS in Iraq and Syria
 
Conservative said:
I would have negotiated keeping U.S troops in Iraq to prevent ISIS from gaining a foothold in that country and then becoming embolden like they have.
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So you would not have been like GW Bush who negotiated and signed the agreement to leave Iraq in 2011? We all know Bush screwed up everything that he attempted. How about some thing new?
 
iguanaman said:
So you would not have been like GW Bush who negotiated and signed the agreement to leave Iraq in 2011? We all know Bush screwed up everything that he attempted. How about some thing new?
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Yes, another thread and another blaming Bush but the problem as usual is you don't understand context nor what the Status of Forces Agreement was and stated. What isn't new is your support for incompetence and your lack of understanding of not only foreign policy issues but basic economics and civics.
 
Conservative said:
Terrorists have been created regardless of what you think and the reality is liberalism and political correctness have led to that creation. You fight wars to win not to appease liberal perceptions.
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Really, liberalism created terrorism, that's a new one? Here I was with the rest of the world thinking Religious Fundamentalism and destabilization of an entire region contributed to terrorism.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, yes, no doubt, Bush was to do in 7 months what Clinton didn't do in 8 years. What exactly should Bush have done? Again, typical Obama supporter and liberal, keep ignoring reality

http://fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb120498.pdf
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There are dozens of things he could have done. Notifying the airlines about the pilot training that was discovered for one. Instead in his infinite wisdom, he "decided" that the threats were a hoax perpetrated by..wait for it...Saddam Hussein. How convenient and profoundly stupid is that?
 
Conservative said:
Nope, that isn't where ISIS is based
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That's where the latest attack took place.

But, you're right. That's not where ISIS is based. Moreover, Egypt has a military of its own. Let's let them deal with the attack.

As for the rest of my post, to wit:

Iraq, Syria?

Would you have Congress declare war on ISIS, then, and put the country on a war footing to go in and destroy them?

Then, what about AlQaeda, Al Shabaab, and the Taliban? Would you have us go to destroy them as well?
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Should the US go play world cop eradicating evil all around the world?

Would we be successful if we tried?
 
Conservative said:
This isn't about Egypt and Saudi Arabia, this is about ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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You start a thread about an act that occurred in Egypt and then say this isn't about Egypt?

Now, sure, we all know this thread is REALLY just about you hating liberals and playing your role as a right, proper warrior for the conservative cowboys against these big, bad liberal Indians, but if this isn't about Egypt, shouldn't we all just stop this thread right here and now and be done with it?

What's next -- a thread about global warming that has nothing to do with global warming or a thread about abortion that has nothing to do with abortion?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, another thread and another blaming Bush but the problem as usual is you don't understand context nor what the Status of Forces Agreement was and stated. What isn't new is your support for incompetence and your lack of understanding of not only foreign policy issues but basic economics and civics.
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What is there to understand? Bush failed to get the long term agreement he desired and almost got kicked out in 2008. The Iraqi's had no real desire to renegotiate and held us to the letter of Bush's agreement. End of story.

Signing a Status of Forces Agreement requiring the full withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq on a fixed three year timeline demonstrated a real flexibility on Bush’s part. It demonstrated a pragmatism and willingness to put the national interest ahead of partisanship that few of us believed he possessed. It is largely thanks to Bush’s acceptance of his own bargaining failure that Barack Obama will inherit a plausible route to successful disengagement from Iraq.
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http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/01/18/bushs-finest-moment-on-iraq-sofa-not-the-surge/
 
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CMPancake said:
Really, liberalism created terrorism, that's a new one? Here I was with the rest of the world thinking Religious Fundamentalism and destabilization of an entire region contributed to terrorism.
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Reality in your world is based upon personal feelings and biases, not reality. Failure to confront Terrorism in the 90's led to 9/11 and the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. Neither would have happened had this country been more proactive, regardless of the Religious fervor
 
iguanaman said:
There are dozens of things he could have done. Notifying the airlines about the pilot training that was discovered for one. Instead in his infinite wisdom, he "decided" that the threats were a hoax perpetrated by..wait for it...Saddam Hussein. How convenient and profoundly stupid is that?
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You mean the pilot training that occurred in 2000? You have no idea what Bush did or didn't do because you are blinded by your ideology and have been indoctrinated into believing what the liberals tell you. No one claimed the threat was a hoax and I am still waiting for you to explain why the Democrat Controlled Senate and Oversight Committee with the same access to intelligence as Bush authorized the war 76-23?
 
Conservative said:
Reality in your world is based upon personal feelings and biases, not reality. Failure to confront Terrorism in the 90's led to 9/11 and the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. Neither would have happened had this country been more proactive, regardless of the Religious fervor
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Do you see a connection between the attack of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq?
 
Dittohead not! said:
That's where the latest attack took place.

But, you're right. That's not where ISIS is based. Moreover, Egypt has a military of its own. Let's let them deal with the attack.

As for the rest of my post, to wit:



Should the US go play world cop eradicating evil all around the world?

Would we be successful if we tried?
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Yes, I prefer addressing the issue now and being proactive instead of waiting for another 9/11 or worse
 
Gardener said:
You start a thread about an act that occurred in Egypt and then say this isn't about Egypt?

Now, sure, we all know this thread is REALLY just about you hating liberals and playing your role as a right, proper warrior for the conservative cowboys against these big, bad liberal Indians, but if this isn't about Egypt, shouldn't we all just stop this thread right here and now and be done with it?

What's next -- a thread about global warming that has nothing to do with global warming or a thread about abortion that has nothing to do with abortion?
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no, the thread was to address ISIS and their threat to the world evidenced by the attack in Egypt but like far too many bury your head and wait for something to happen here.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do you see a connection between the attack of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq?
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Apparently the Senate intelligence committee found evidence that Saddam Hussein was indeed working on a WMD program and was funding and supporting Terrorism. I believe that Senate Intelligence Committee was under Democrat Control. I also believe that Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998. Suggest you contact them or do research as to their authorization of the war
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I prefer addressing the issue now and being proactive instead of waiting for another 9/11 or worse
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So, if elected president, you'd send the US military out to destroy ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Al Shabaab. Would you go for all of them at the same time?

How about a declaration of war this time, would you ask Congress to put the country on a war footing, or simply issue an edict yourself?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, if elected president, you'd send the US military out to destroy ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Al Shabaab. Would you go for all of them at the same time?

How about a declaration of war this time, would you ask Congress to put the country on a war footing, or simply issue an edict yourself?
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ISIS is at war with the West and that should make us at war with them because the threat is real. Yes, I would support a resolution declaring War against ISIS.
 
Conservative said:
The problem with people like you is you always react mostly negatively instead of being proactive and preventing attacks on this country.
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By "people like me" you mean all U.S. Army Infantry veterans?

Just out of curiosity, when did you serve?

Because if you did I'm happy to entertain any opinion you might have.

But if you're just another loudmouth chickenhawk ********er who thinks you have a leg to stand on when it comes to telling those of us who have served what we should think when it comes to defending this nation you can go ahead and stop wasting your breath right now.
 
CMPancake said:
What do you want, America to occupy any country rife with ISIS and blast anything that looks at the US funny?
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Who said anything about occupation?
 
soot said:
By "people like me" you mean all U.S. Army Infantry veterans?

Just out of curiosity, when did you serve?

Because if you did I'm happy to entertain any opinion you might have.

But if you're just another loudmouth chickenhawk ********er who thinks you have a leg to stand on when it comes to telling those of us who have served what we should think when it comes to defending this nation you can go ahead and stop wasting your breath right now.
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Thank you for your service. Do you have the same feeling about fighting a war as my family members? Yes, I served during the Vietnam war and watched D.C. micro manage that war and see history repeating itself today. My Dad served at Pearl Harbor and my father in law was at Normandy. You fight wars to win them and that isn't what we did in Iraq
 
Conservative said:
Great, isn't it, Terrorism has been destroyed. Great 2011 article but this is 2015
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Thanks for telling me the date. Now what's George W Bush's record on prominent terrorists' capture or kills? :coffeepap
 
Conservative said:
I would like our troops to regain the territory lost in Iraq by destroying ISIS there and then not elect an incompetent replacement liberal President to keep the peace that was won in Iraq. Burying your head in the sand has led to the creation and growth of ISIS. I had three family members in Iraq and not one of them is an Obama supporter.
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Bush was told by his advisors before he went into Iraq in 2003 that the aftermath would most likely be an islamic fundamentalist state. He went in anyway and it has gone exactly as predicted
 
Conservative said:
no, the thread was to address ISIS and their threat to the world evidenced by the attack in Egypt but like far too many bury your head and wait for something to happen here.
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Because I understand cause and effect and won't play this game of partisan cowboy's and Indians, I have buried my head?

What Middle Eastern countries NEED is to stop marring their cousins, stop arranging marriages between lecherous old men and their brother's young daughter, and to be brought kicking and screaming from the 14th century into the 21st. That's what they need. WE cannot do that. Only they can, and the only way this will ever happen is if strong-armed, secular leaders arise something along her lines of Kemel Attaturk, to help liberlise them by very force of will.
 
Conservative said:
Reality in your world is based upon personal feelings and biases, not reality. Failure to confront Terrorism in the 90's led to 9/11 and the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. Neither would have happened had this country been more proactive, regardless of the Religious fervor
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So while you accuse me of appealing to emotion while in your other hand you swing 9/11 like a cudgel for your World Police policies. But that's beside the point, America was intervening in the Middle East for decades well before the 90's during the Cold War, and not to mention the Gulf War in the 90's.

stonewall50 said:
Who said anything about occupation?
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What would you propose then?
 
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