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50 soldiers killed in ISIS attack on Egyptian Army's Sinai checkpoints

No thats a fact and yes I worked in the capital Riyadh back in the 80s for 14 months



The Butler report was denied access to materials pertaining to Saudi involvement which you would know if you had bothered reading what has already been linked for you



Because those like yourself who choose not to learn by past mistakes are condemned to repeat them. That seems to be what you would have us do



Hitler has nothing to do with this. Ham fisted and profoundly stupid US foreign policy does

Sorry but the comparison is real, Hitler was about world domination as is ISIS.
 
Apparently World Domination is something you don't understand and want to ignore

Given there are only estimated to be some 30,000 of these guys out of 1.4 Billion Muslims you are rather overstating their significance
 
Given there are only estimated to be some 30,000 of these guys out of 1.4 Billion Muslims you are rather overstating their significance

They all need support, supply, information, equipment.... the 30,000 is likely much higher for those that support them and allow them to carry out their actions. It's likely 100x that, not to mention just plain old sympathizers in countries all over the world.
 
Apparently World Domination is something you don't understand and want to ignore

Stop shaking like a leaf!!!!! Islamic extremist ideology is old, but Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad did a far better job at its containment then Bush or Obama, both of their policies giving the elbow room for the Islamic State to flourish. And our "ally" Saudi Arabia seems rather delighted with the development. Decades of ignorant USFP in the region has been disastrous. Why are you always interested in the cure, and never the prevention?
 
Given there are only estimated to be some 30,000 of these guys out of 1.4 Billion Muslims you are rather overstating their significance

Would rather be proactive vs. reactive. 30,000? Yeah, right
 
Stop shaking like a leaf!!!!! Islamic extremist ideology is old, but Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad did a far better job at its containment then Bush or Obama, both of their policies giving the elbow room for the Islamic State to flourish. And our "ally" Saudi Arabia seems rather delighted with the development. Decades of ignorant USFP in the region has been disastrous. Why are you always interested in the cure, and never the prevention?

That is your opinion but as a pacifist I believe you ought to go over there and talk to the radicals. Prevention to a radical Muslim is convert or die. You have no understanding of the radical Muslims at all and when you do understand them it will be too late. Do you know what a Caliphate is?
 
They all need support, supply, information, equipment.... the 30,000 is likely much higher for those that support them and allow them to carry out their actions. It's likely 100x that, not to mention just plain old sympathizers in countries all over the world.

Speculation.

I doubt ISIS world domination is on the cards any time soon given they currently have a pretty hard time even holding on to small towns and villages against an inept Iraqi army that has considerable air support
 
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That is your opinion but as a pacifist I believe you ought to go over there and talk to the radicals. Prevention to a radical Muslim is convert or die. You have no understanding of the radical Muslims at all and when you do understand them it will be too late. Do you know what a Caliphate is?

Do you know what containment is????
 
Are you serious ? Only one of the 20 attackers wasn't actually Saudi and the one they captured has clearly indicated where the money and planning was done. I'm sure they've been holding him long enough to have tortured all he has to say out of him by now

New allegations of Saudi involvement in 9/11 - CNNPolitics.com

If it was all the Talibans fault then where were the Afghani's in their number or do you seriously believe that the rag tag Taliban guerilla fighters financed some Saudi nationals to go attack the US ?

Why ?

The fecal matter would really have hit the air moving device had the US invaded Saudi Arabia, wouldn't it? So, instead of attacking Al Qaeda, our brilliant leaders instead chose to attack a secular state in the name of fighting radical Islam.
 
The fecal matter would really have hit the air moving device had the US invaded Saudi Arabia, wouldn't it? So, instead of attacking Al Qaeda, our brilliant leaders instead chose to attack a secular state in the name of fighting radical Islam.

That pretty much nails it :thumbs:
 
OK, and I would have stayed out of Iraq to begin with.

But, the past is not mutable. The situation is what it is. So, what should be done about ISIS having attacked Egypt now?

Obama should return Iraq to the same way it was when he inherited it rather than leave all the problems for his successor.
 
You mean the CIA that Claimed Saddam Hussein's WMD program was a "Slam Dunk?"

You really are very naïve and gullible believing what you want to believe but never looking at the big picture

The CIA were pretty much told to tow the line on Iraq back in the day and your opinion does not represent the 'big picture' in any way shape or form as has been illustrated by multiple links throughout this thread
 
Speculation.
Overall yes - but it's a fact no guerilla army, insurgents, or otherwise can survive without support from the population which surrounds them. Especially in these times when cameras, GPS locators and electronic surveillance is so common place.

I doubt ISIS world domination is on the cards any time soon given they currently have a pretty hard time even holding on to small towns and villages against an inept Iraqi army that has considerable air support
I wouldn't know their ultimate goals - no one does probably. However goal and objectives tend to change over time and in reality, those fighting them are ****es from Iran and the Kurds as well as a handful of other opposition groups within Syria borders. The Iraqi's ran away for the most part except for Eastern and Southern areas.
 
Overall yes - but it's a fact no guerilla army, insurgents, or otherwise can survive without support from the population which surrounds them. Especially in these times when cameras, GPS locators and electronic surveillance is so common place.
There are far larger guerilla armies fighting in other parts of the world that are largely ignored by the Western media

I wouldn't know their ultimate goals - no one does probably. However goal and objectives tend to change over time and in reality, those fighting them are ****es from Iran and the Kurds as well as a handful of other opposition groups within Syria borders. The Iraqi's ran away for the most part except for Eastern and Southern areas.

The only way these guys are of any significance is in the way they use western victims to further their ends via our media. They have been singularly successful in this regard and now have many believing they are ten feet tall, bent on world domination .... yadda yadda. They are basically a small group of religious fanatics that will go the way of many other such groups in the fullness of time, taken down by their own infighting.
 
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Yes, Obama inherited a stable and sovereign Iraq per his comments, a surge that worked, an Iraq totally in control of the Iraqi Govt. and look at what it is today.

One would think that a "stable and sovereign" nation could have stood on its own without having the US military keeping it stable.
 
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