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KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

The original KKK were freedom fighters. The South actually had no choice but to ride out at night and fight in secret. The union forces wouldn't let them protect their women and children openly. It was an awful time.

LOL. More historical revisionism. We've heard that this thread and the only source is someone's recollection of an article in Daughters of the Confederacy or something. To the rest of historians, sure, they were freedom fighters if you ignore the murders, beatings, intimidation at the polls, aka 'terrorism.'

It's that kind of nonsense that keeps the Confederate flag flying.
 
Like I said, Ive never cared about others opinions. What makes you think that I would start now?

But in the case of a flag, opinions about what that flag means do matter, especially if that flag is raised by government. No one would dream of ignoring public opinion about the swastika and raise that symbol on state property and then explain that it really only means "Good Luck!" Promise!

I guess if you don't CARE that 70% of your black residents, oppressed under Jim Crow and their ancestors under slavery, associate that flag with those eras, then your stance makes perfect sense. But if you don't care what they think and fly it anyway, you're just an a$$hole, especially if you've been elected in part to represent them.
 
But in the case of a flag, opinions about what that flag means do matter, especially if that flag is raised by government. No one would dream of ignoring public opinion about the swastika and raise that symbol on state property and then explain that it really only means "Good Luck!" Promise!

I guess if you don't CARE that 70% of your black residents, oppressed under Jim Crow and their ancestors under slavery, associate that flag with those eras, then your stance makes perfect sense. But if you don't care what they think and fly it anyway, you're just an a$$hole, especially if you've been elected in part to represent them.

History trumps the slobbering stupids with their uneducated opinions. Not only do I not care what 70% of black people think, I do not care what 100% of all people think. All I care about is the truth. You can take your opinions and stick them right back up where they belong.

This attempt to ban a flag, suspend, and fire people who support it, etc, is just so anti-American its not even funny. Are you really pretending that those people associate it with ****ing slavery? Maybe they are just proud of being from the south. Leave them alone.

But you do not care about those people do you? You just care about the people who agree with you. :roll:
 
History trumps the slobbering stupids with their uneducated opinions.

Right, and the "history" shows that white racists in SC raised that flag in 1961 (along with other Southern states) as a FU to the Feds trying to force them extend basic civil rights to blacks. The slobbering stupids with their uneducated opinions want to pretend that history never happened, sweep it under the rug.

Not only do I not care what 70% of black people think, I do not care what 100% of all people think. All I care about is the truth. You can take your opinions and stick them right back up where they belong.

Wow, tough talk on the Internet. I'm impressed and a bit intimidated.... :roll:

This attempt to ban a flag, suspend, and fire people who support it, etc, is just so anti-American its not even funny. Are you really pretending that those people associate it with ****ing slavery? Maybe they are just proud of being from the south. Leave them alone.

Who's trying to "ban" a flag? Or "fire people who support it?" This thread is about the KKK rallying behind the flag flying on top of a memorial a few steps from the state capital.

And do you care what people think or not? Now you're saying the people flying the flag associate it with something other than slavery. But others associate it with slavery, and the defense of Jim Crow. So it seems like you care what white people think but not blacks? Or you only care about those who agree with you. One of those.....

But you do not care about those people do you? You just care about the people who agree with you. :roll:

LOL. You just said, and I'll quote you, "Not only do I not care what 70% of black people think, I do not care what 100% of all people think." Now you're upset I don't care about flag supporters.... You can't make up that kind of self contradicting logic.

I live in the South and what I "care" about is the rest of the world associates the flag with a bunch of backwards, ignorant rednecks longing for the days of Jim Crow. Can't wait till that relic of a shameful past is forever relegated to museums. Defenders of it give us all a bad name.
 
Right, and the "history" shows that white racists in SC raised that flag in 1961 (along with other Southern states) as a FU to the Feds trying to force them extend basic civil rights to blacks. The slobbering stupids with their uneducated opinions want to pretend that history never happened, sweep it under the rug.

Who cares? Not everyone thinks about the flag the way your libby mind think about it (lets be honest the only reason you hate the flag is because you hate Conservatives...ironic because it was DEMOCRATIC RACISTS including the Clintons who were so proud of that flag, until they werent LOL). Funny how you LIBS pretend to be so tolerant yet NEVER tolerate people who disagree with you.

News flash, that makes YOU the intolerant ones.
Wow, tough talk on the Internet. I'm impressed and a bit intimidated....

Telling the truth = tough in 2015 the year of the PC douche. Let me guess, Trump got your pink panties in a wad when he told the truth too...and didnt apologize for it like the alpha male he is. You just arent cut from our cloth, boy.


Who's trying to "ban" a flag? Or "fire people who support it?"

Do you not read the news? Try finding that flag on ebay, a cop was fired for wearing confederate flag boxers, and a fireman was just suspended for having a confederate flag.

And do you care what people think or not? Now you're saying the people flying the flag associate it with something other than slavery. But others associate it with slavery, and the defense of Jim Crow. So it seems like you care what white people think but not blacks? Or you only care about those who agree with you. One of those.....

I just told you I dont care what anyone thinks. Libs these days...:lamo

LOL. You just said, and I'll quote you, "Not only do I not care what 70% of black people think, I do not care what 100% of all people think." Now you're upset I don't care about flag supporters.... You can't make up that kind of self contradicting logic.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement. Wow, you have horrible reading comprehension. Youre making a fool of yourself.
 
I didn't know what the white sheets were to represent ghosts. That's kind of morbid.

Well the KKK was originally started by disgruntled confederates. The white robes represented the ghosts of confederate soldiers. They were largely Democrats who modern day Republicans use to **** on modern day Democrats whenever they feel like "exposing" racism. Then they turn that all around, when it comes to defending the confederacy. They suddenly stop being Democrats and they're ancestors who can only be remembered through the flag. You can't make this up.
 
Who cares? Not everyone thinks about the flag the way your libby mind think about it (lets be honest the only reason you hate the flag is because you hate Conservatives...ironic because it was DEMOCRATIC RACISTS including the Clintons who were so proud of that flag, until they werent LOL). Funny how you LIBS pretend to be so tolerant yet NEVER tolerate people who disagree with you.

Who cares about history? LOL.

First you say, "History trumps the slobbering stupids with their uneducated opinions" and then when the history is pointed out you, "who cares?" LMMFAO. I guess you have your "uneducated opinion" and you're sticking to it!

And I used to think the flag was great, before I learned the history of it, especially the history of how the flag was used during the civil rights era and why and when states like SC and Georgia started embracing it.

News flash, that makes YOU the intolerant ones.

I tolerate all kinds of people. But we're talking about our opinions and mine is I don't believe any government should fly that flag in a way that bestows respect to that particular flag because of its recent racist history. If you want to fly it off your pickup, fine. You look like an idiot, but there are worse things to be in life than an idiot.
Telling the truth = tough in 2015 the year of the PC douche. Let me guess, Trump got your pink panties in a wad when he told the truth too...and didnt apologize for it like the alpha male he is. You just arent cut from our cloth, boy.

Pink panties? Boy? Is this a parody account of a high school kid in a basement? LOL.

Do you not read the news? Try finding that flag on ebay, a cop was fired for wearing confederate flag boxers, and a fireman was just suspended for having a confederate flag.

First of all, I wouldn't support firing either of those, but you have to admit they're both idiots. The cop is in SC, and North Charleston is about 50% black. The vast majority of them see the flag as racist. If you want to insult over a third of those you SERVE, then embrace that flag, but don't be surprised your employer doesn't approve.

The firefighter was even worse. WTF with flying the Confederate flag off the back of a fire truck during a 4th of July parade? The Confederacy wanted to leave this country, fought a damn war, and lost.

I just told you I dont care what anyone thinks. Libs these days...:lamo

You don't care what anyone thinks, but are debating me and calling me very mean names..... :roll:

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement. Wow, you have horrible reading comprehension. Youre making a fool of yourself.

It's my opinion that those of us in the South who embrace that flag to represent "Southern Pride" or whatever do a disservice to this whole region. I'm positive most of them that do fly the Rebel flag mean no insult, but once a person realizes that it offends a great majority of black residents, if he keeps flying it anyway, IMO, he's just saying to the world he's an ass and doesn't care who it offends, he'll fly his damn flag.
 
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To all the posts here I sat two words ......Washington Redskins.
 
LOL. More historical revisionism. We've heard that this thread and the only source is someone's recollection of an article in Daughters of the Confederacy or something. To the rest of historians, sure, they were freedom fighters if you ignore the murders, beatings, intimidation at the polls, aka 'terrorism.'

It's that kind of nonsense that keeps the Confederate flag flying.

Still upset that you are being proven wrong? WOW, just wow.
 
LMAO yeah right! If what I saw this weekend in my neck of the woods is any indication, people are upset about the attempts to ban the flag

And as that poll shows, it's not any indication. ;)
 
Yet those who want to stop the Confederate flag from flying rely on polls to back up their silly "claim"

Polls are effective measuring tools. Though you denounced them. Which is why I told you not to ever quote one then to support any position you hold.
 
Still upset that you are being proven wrong? WOW, just wow.

That's funny. You've got an interesting understanding of evidence and what's needed to prove a case! :doh

If you have a source to cite, please do, but I'm sorry if I'm not going to accept "I read this article one time years ago in a Confederate magazine, and this is what I remember it saying. Promise!" as historical evidence.
 
Yet those who want to stop the Confederate flag from flying rely on polls to back up their silly "claim"

How else does one gauge the public's opinion of a symbol like the Rebel Flag? Or does it not matter if the flag offends 10%, 30% or 90% of the population who associate that symbol with a defense of Jim Crow by the State of SC itself?
 
Anyone who has taken a statistics course, EVER, knows the saying lies, damn lies, and statistics to be quite true

OK, but understanding that statistics are only tools and can be misused like any other tool doesn't give us (skeptical readers) permission to just disregard evidence whenever it's convenient. If all you got is "lies, damn lies and statistics" it's just another version of "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

What a person with an understanding of statistics and/or polling does is point out the flaws in the methodology, what was measured, how what was measured might not support the conclusions reached, etc. For polling, there are flaws with the question asked, who was asked it, how the pollsters adjusted the responses to reflect the actual population versus the population that answers a land line between 6 and 10pm on a weeknight, etc.
 
Yet those who want to stop the Confederate flag from flying rely on polls to back up their silly "claim"

Actually that's only partly true. What many of us "rely on" is the documented recent history of the Rebel Flag.

And then there are competing "claims" about what the flag represents. To be sure, many associate the flag with some vague idea of Southern Pride or heritage. Others, particularly blacks oppressed under Jim Crow laws that were being fought like heck when that flag was raised as a symbol of protest of efforts to end them, associate the flag with racism and a defense of white supremacy, because that interpretation is consistent with the documented history of the flag.

So there are competing claims, and the way to resolve the question, "What does the Rebel flag represent" is a poll or polls. But you don't want to pay attention to polls because it doesn't support your "claim" about what the flag represents to most of us.
 
Just a hypothetical here - is it even remotely possible that SC officials say no evidence that the fires were hate crimes, simply because SC has no hate crime statutes? They are only 1 of a handful of states that doesn't recognize the "hate crime," so I was just wondering.

No need for anybody to automatically assume I'm race baiting. Just asking a simple, hypothetical question that ran across the ticker tape in my brain when I read the NY Times Headline.

I have no idea, since it wasn't SC officials saying this, it was the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (also known as the FBI).
 
OK, but understanding that statistics are only tools and can be misused like any other tool doesn't give us (skeptical readers) permission to just disregard evidence whenever it's convenient. If all you got is "lies, damn lies and statistics" it's just another version of "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

What a person with an understanding of statistics and/or polling does is point out the flaws in the methodology, what was measured, how what was measured might not support the conclusions reached, etc. For polling, there are flaws with the question asked, who was asked it, how the pollsters adjusted the responses to reflect the actual population versus the population that answers a land line between 6 and 10pm on a weeknight, etc.

Go back to school as fast as you can.
 
Actually that's only partly true. What many of us "rely on" is the documented recent history of the Rebel Flag.

And then there are competing "claims" about what the flag represents. To be sure, many associate the flag with some vague idea of Southern Pride or heritage. Others, particularly blacks oppressed under Jim Crow laws that were being fought like heck when that flag was raised as a symbol of protest of efforts to end them, associate the flag with racism and a defense of white supremacy, because that interpretation is consistent with the documented history of the flag.

So there are competing claims, and the way to resolve the question, "What does the Rebel flag represent" is a poll or polls. But you don't want to pay attention to polls because it doesn't support your "claim" about what the flag represents to most of us.

In other words you rely on the revisionist claims. Totally figures.
 
That's funny. You've got an interesting understanding of evidence and what's needed to prove a case! :doh

If you have a source to cite, please do, but I'm sorry if I'm not going to accept "I read this article one time years ago in a Confederate magazine, and this is what I remember it saying. Promise!" as historical evidence.

Too bad for you. The truth is out there, I don't think most here have grasped it yet.
 
Go back to school as fast as you can.

Yeah, OK. But I've had plenty of schooling, and one of many things I learned is when you make an assertion, you're obligated to support it with a citation to a source or other objective evidence so that a neutral reader can evaluate your assertion and the evidence for it. So far all you've done is make baseless assertions. I'll take your "history" of the Civil War and the South including the KKK seriously when you can offer the first shred of evidence to back up your positions.
 
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