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KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

Cephus said:
Seriously? Have you been around any liberals lately?
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"Conservatives" have been fighting to prevent two people from signing a private legal contract with each other lately, and freaking out when the Supreme Court did not adhere to their demand to suppress the rights of others. That sound like small government to you?
 
Cephus said:
Both parties are big government. Both parties are anti-fiscal-responsibility. Both parties are authoritarian. Both parties want to control what the people can do. Sounds pretty liberal to me.
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C'mon. Seriously?
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HorseLoverGirl said:
In other words you have no point
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There is nothing to respond to. The notion that the Scottish decided to create the klan is absolutely ludicrous and not backed by anyone even remotely resembling a mainstream historian.
 
Deuce said:
"Conservatives" have been fighting to prevent two people from signing a private legal contract with each other lately, and freaking out when the Supreme Court did not adhere to their demand to suppress the rights of others. That sound like small government to you?
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Nope. The GOP isn't conservative. They haven't been in many years. They might try to wear the label, that doesn't mean they walk the walk. There is nothing conservative about the Republican Party.
 
Cephus said:
Nope. The GOP isn't conservative. They haven't been in many years. They might try to wear the label, that doesn't mean they walk the walk. There is nothing conservative about the Republican Party.
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Good point. ACTUAL Conservatives in the GOP are as rare as Blue Dogs with the Democrats. Lots of them talk a good game but when it gets down to it, they expand government, increase spending and raise the debt - not as much as Democrats do - but it increases none the less.
 
Ockham said:
Good point. ACTUAL Conservatives in the GOP are as rare as Blue Dogs with the Democrats. Lots of them talk a good game but when it gets down to it, they expand government, increase spending and raise the debt - not as much as Democrats do - but it increases none the less.
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Following the insurgence of the Southern Democrats, a lot of actual conservatives left the GOP for the Libertarian party, but most just bite their tongue and vote for the GOP anyhow. We have no conservative party in this country, none that follow the fundamental pillars of conservatism: personal and fiscal responsibility, small-government and keeping the government the hell out of the lives of the citizens. Nobody does that.
 
clownboy said:
Not quite. They were started as a community defense org to protect against the looting of southern communities after the war. The white robes were to make them appear as ghosts to scare the superstitious of the time, and there were a lot of superstitious folks.

They quickly evolved into the hate group we've seen since.
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Nope. Check out history.com or any number of sources. I've seen several documentaries on them, as well.

They were groups of white men that started right after the Civil War, based on the slave patrols that had existed, for the purpose of victimizing the newly freed black people (and sympathizers).

The slave patrols were legal at the time they existed. The KKK operated outside the law, so were more brutal and violent.

Its primary goal from the start was to re-establish white supremacy. It declined for a while, then revved up again in the early 20th Century by white Protestants, and broadened its targets to include not just blacks, but also Catholics, Jews, foreigners, and organized labor.

FOUNDING OF THE KU KLUX KLAN
A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866. The first two words of the organization’s name supposedly derived from the Greek word “kyklos,” meaning circle. In the summer of 1867, local branches of the Klan met in a general organizing convention and established what they called an “Invisible Empire of the South.” Leading Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest was chosen as the first leader, or “grand wizard,” of the Klan; he presided over a hierarchy of grand dragons, grand titans and grand cyclopses.
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Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

There was also apparently a particular relationship with South Carolina:

Klan activity flourished particularly in the regions of the South where blacks were a minority or a small majority of the population, and was relatively limited in others. Among the most notorious zones of Klan activity was South Carolina, where in January 1871 500 masked men attacked the Union county jail and lynched eight black prisoners.
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iguanaman said:
Give that stupid meme a rest. You don't understand why the southern racists were Democrats? For one reason only, they would not be associated with the "party of Lincoln". That all changed when Johnson signed the Civil Rights act because apparently that was worse than freeing the slaves. Now the racists are all Republicans because the GOP speaks their language.
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It ain't his meme, iguanaman.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't know why the KKK aren't considered terrorists, given their history.
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They are.

They are/were a domestic terrorist organization. The IRA was/is a terrorist organization, too. Then there was that group that Terry Nichols & the guy who blew up the OK fed. bldg...what was his name? Anyway, they belonged to a domestic terrorist organization.

People forget in this day of Islamic terrorists that we have had others from across the world before. Although I think we'd agree that the Islamic terrorists have taken it to new heights.
 
Cephus said:
Nope. The GOP isn't conservative. They haven't been in many years. They might try to wear the label, that doesn't mean they walk the walk. There is nothing conservative about the Republican Party.
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They are incredibly conservative, just not by the different definition you've decided to use.
 
Hatuey said:
There is nothing to respond to. The notion that the Scottish decided to create the klan is absolutely ludicrous and not backed by anyone even remotely resembling a mainstream historian.
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There's the problem, you said mainstream. Mainstream historians are not gonna tell the truth, but reinforce the propaganda
 
Deuce said:
They are incredibly conservative, just not by the different definition you've decided to use.
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Words mean things. If you use a word to mean something that the word doesn't mean, that is the incorrect word to use.
 
shrubnose said:
This is the kind of thing which will speed up the demise of the Confederate flag.

:lol:
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Or cause all hell to break loose bringing back the violence we witnessed in the 60's.
 
I went to High School with the daughter of the Grand Dragon and then Imperial Wizard of the KKK - Virgil Griffin. He worked pumping gas at the corner Texaco station in Mount Holly, NC. Everyone knew who AND WHAT he was.

I grew up with the KKK all around us. Thank God it has died down a lot now. They used to do cross burnings once a month at least.

Now... you don't hear much about them anymore. Give it a couple more generations (+-50 years) and they will die out completely.

The only thing they are good for, is to give the left and the media something to use as a totally inaccurate comparison to anyone that doesn't want to erase the history of the South, which is rich and wide reaching beyond the evil of slavery or blatant discrimination.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Or cause all hell to break loose bringing back the violence we witnessed in the 60's.
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That'll never happen. The KKK is an extremely small fringe group that no one supports. IF there is an violence, it will be the few klansmen against the world - which means it will be over in just seconds.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
There's the problem, you said mainstream. Mainstream historians are not gonna tell the truth, but reinforce the propaganda
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Yep, and we know people in the extremes of a field usually get it right. I think we're done here. I'm not a big fan of the Ancient-Aliens crowd.
 
JumpinJack said:
They are.

They are/were a domestic terrorist organization. The IRA was/is a terrorist organization, too. Then there was that group that Terry Nichols & the guy who blew up the OK fed. bldg...what was his name? Anyway, they belonged to a domestic terrorist organization.

People forget in this day of Islamic terrorists that we have had others from across the world before. Although I think we'd agree that the Islamic terrorists have taken it to new heights.
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Oh you mean Tim McVeigh? Actually when I read the book American Terrorist about the OKC bombing, it pretty much told his life story, and he seemed fine until he got out of the Army, and something changed, big time! Either he was suffering from mental illness (which might very well be true since he did have a breakdown and was suicidal) or he was always an odd duck. Still I remember reading about the militia movement that started with the FBI murder of Randy Weaver's wife and family dog at Ruby Ridge, then of course the Waco mess, and that just got the militia movement going stronger.
 
Hatuey said:
Yep, and we know people in the extremes of a field usually get it right. I think we're done here. I'm not a big fan of the Ancient-Aliens crowd.
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Obviously mainstream history is not telling the truth since it never took my granddaddy, who was fortunate enough to get his facts straight from the horse's mouth, long to refute the myths
 
Cephus said:
And now we have nothing but big-government, anti-responsibility, live-beyond-your-means parties, one is loony left, the other is religious right, both are essentially "liberal". When do we get conservatism back?
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Conservatism is dead. Everything is going to start changing at a rate that will spin all of our heads.📶
 
Gee, the south is always asking for respect.

Tough luck.
 
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