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KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

Well the KKK was originally started by disgruntled confederates. The white robes represented the ghosts of confederate soldiers. They were largely Democrats who modern day Republicans use to **** on modern day Democrats whenever they feel like "exposing" racism. Then they turn that all around, when it comes to defending the confederacy. They suddenly stop being Democrats and they're ancestors who can only be remembered through the flag. You can't make this up.

I'm glad to see you acknowledge that the Democratic Party has been the party of race discrimination from the start. One of our two Progressive presidents, Woodrow Wilson, was a Southerner who was a virulent racist. He was especially offended by the idea of blacks attending his beloved Princeton. Wilson, who had a PhD., concealed his racism behind a veneer of intellectual sophistication. Today's white leftists try to hide their race prejudice by stridently claiming it infects only white conservatives, against whose vicious hatred they are always trying to protect blacks. But just listen to the nasty garbage that leftist dim bulbs never tire of slinging at Justice Thomas! I always wonder if these sorry specimens hate Clarence Thomas because he refuses to humbly follow the statist party line, as they expect good Negroes to do, or because he was uppity enough to marry a white woman.
 
I know. Is this a history lesson or something?

Not at all, except for those Democrats who seem to think that all the racism has always been on the right. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Not at all, except for those Democrats who seem to think that all the racism has always been on the right. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You do realize parties dont make you right or left, its those ideas behind the parties that make one left or right.... Democrats in the mid to late 1800's represented generally the party of "small government" focusing on mainly state rights, conservative ideas, and appealing to small town and farmer based voters. Republicans in the north generally represented expansion of federal power, industrialization, government sponsored economic/industrial projects, what you can call today "modern american liberalism" or the forefather of such ideas. Then you slowly saw the rhetoric start to switch after the Civil War. I think this history professor explains it best: When and (to an extent) why did the parties switch places? - The Edge of the American West - The Chronicle of Higher Education

It wasnt that Democrats back in the late 1800's were the liberals and Republicans were the conservatives, or whatever description of ideology you want to call it. It was generally reversed. Democrats party of states rights and small government, Republicans party of what is often described for one way or another "big government" and strong federal power.
 
It wasnt that Democrats back in the late 1800's were the liberals and Republicans were the conservatives, or whatever description of ideology you want to call it. It was generally reversed. Democrats party of states rights and small government, Republicans party of what is often described for one way or another "big government" and strong federal power.

And now we have nothing but big-government, anti-responsibility, live-beyond-your-means parties, one is loony left, the other is religious right, both are essentially "liberal". When do we get conservatism back?
 
And now we have nothing but big-government, anti-responsibility, live-beyond-your-means parties, one is loony left, the other is religious right, both are essentially "liberal". When do we get conservatism back?

Uhhhh what? :confused:
 
This is crap about the flag is just plain Un-American.
No one is outlawing public displays of the flag. There is nothing un-American about state governments removing a battle flag, flown by an army dedicated to splitting the Union in half. There certainly isn't anything illegal about retailers choosing voluntarily not to sell a product. Nor is anyone making it illegal to display the Confederate battle flag.


In the past few weeks we've raged against free speech in the flag flap, changed the definition of marriage and decided that "...established by the states" means exactly the same thing as "...established by the federal government". There's always going to be some stuff going on that some of us don't like. That's the way life goes. At some point we all need to grow the **** up and learn how to deal with things that bother us without forcing other people to give up their beliefs and freedoms.
So you're OK with losing a whole bunch of court cases and with 9 people in a church being shot to death, but you're not OK with a bunch of southern states removing Confederate flag displays? THAT is where you draw the line? :confused:
 
No one is outlawing public displays of the flag. There is nothing un-American about state governments removing a battle flag, flown by an army dedicated to splitting the Union in half. There certainly isn't anything illegal about retailers choosing voluntarily not to sell a product. Nor is anyone making it illegal to display the Confederate battle flag.



So you're OK with losing a whole bunch of court cases and with 9 people in a church being shot to death, but you're not OK with a bunch of southern states removing Confederate flag displays? THAT is where you draw the line? :confused:

I'm not "OK" with any of that stuff and it takes a pretty damned warped reading of what I wrote to come up with that theory.

The flag is a symbol of southern heritage and its meaning is defined by the actions of southerners. I would like to note that part of that heritage is not only overcoming the effects of the war and the history of racism but THRIVING since those practices were abolished. Furthermore, the people of Charleston (and across the south) appointed themselves with a level of dignity and grace after the shooting at Emanuel AME that we should all aspire to. THAT is the heritage of the south.
 
I'm not "OK" with any of that stuff and it takes a pretty damned warped reading of what I wrote to come up with that theory.

The flag is a symbol of southern heritage and its meaning is defined by the actions of southerners. I would like to note that part of that heritage is not only overcoming the effects of the war and the history of racism but THRIVING since those practices were abolished. Furthermore, the people of Charleston (and across the south) appointed themselves with a level of dignity and grace after the shooting at Emanuel AME that we should all aspire to. THAT is the heritage of the south.
The confederate Flag came into promenence as a pop culture icon with the opposition of the Civil Rights movement that was picking up steam in the 1950's. It was a giant F-YOU to the government and a display of hatred to Blacks at that time. That's the Heritage of the South.
 
Give that stupid meme a rest. You don't understand why the southern racists were Democrats? For one reason only, they would not be associated with the "party of Lincoln". That all changed when Johnson signed the Civil Rights act because apparently that was worse than freeing the slaves. Now the racists are all Republicans because the GOP speaks their language.

I'm glad to see you acknowledge that the Democratic Party has been the party of race discrimination from the start. One of our two Progressive presidents, Woodrow Wilson, was a Southerner who was a virulent racist. He was especially offended by the idea of blacks attending his beloved Princeton. Wilson, who had a PhD., concealed his racism behind a veneer of intellectual sophistication. Today's white leftists try to hide their race prejudice by stridently claiming it infects only white conservatives, against whose vicious hatred they are always trying to protect blacks. But just listen to the nasty garbage that leftist dim bulbs never tire of slinging at Justice Thomas! I always wonder if these sorry specimens hate Clarence Thomas because he refuses to humbly follow the statist party line, as they expect good Negroes to do, or because he was uppity enough to marry a white woman.


No it actually started by Scotsmen in the South, fed up with the fact that the South had no protection after the war. See the Scottish call themselves clans, so they banded together to be the ones to protect the South because the police of the time weren't doing squat. When they were no longer needed, the KKK was disbanded, only to be hijacked in the 1960's into the racist bunch we know today

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No. So your position is now that every party is a liberal party? Uhhh, what?

Both parties are big government. Both parties are anti-fiscal-responsibility. Both parties are authoritarian. Both parties want to control what the people can do. Sounds pretty liberal to me.
 
I'm not "OK" with any of that stuff and it takes a pretty damned warped reading of what I wrote to come up with that theory.

The flag is a symbol of southern heritage and its meaning is defined by the actions of southerners. I would like to note that part of that heritage is not only overcoming the effects of the war and the history of racism but THRIVING since those practices were abolished. Furthermore, the people of Charleston (and across the south) appointed themselves with a level of dignity and grace after the shooting at Emanuel AME that we should all aspire to. THAT is the heritage of the south.

I wouldn't say the south is thriving. The southeastern United States are generally our poorest areas.

That said, I view the confederate flag as a symbol of hatred and oppression that should have been removed from official use and honor 150 years ago. South Carolina started flying it at their capital in the 1960s as a show of opposition to civil rights of black Americans.

After the civil war, why not come up with a new flag to display southern heritage? Why continue using the flag that also has hatred and oppression associated with it?

I do not agree with banning sales of any flag, and it should certainly be taught about and displayed in museums and educational sites and institutions, and I have no problem with people flying it if they want to, I just don't agree that a government should continue to fly it and honor it.
 
I'm not "OK" with any of that stuff and it takes a pretty damned warped reading of what I wrote to come up with that theory.
Then perhaps you should read what you wrote. You certainly seem to be saying that "we should accept political setbacks," in the midst of a tear about how This Aggression Will Not Stand.

It's a freakin' flag, dude. It's a scrap of cloth, from a war the South lost over 150 years ago. Time to let go.


The flag is a symbol of southern heritage....
Please, spare us such nonsense.

It was a battle flag, flown in a war to allow the South to keep its slaves. You might as well try to tell me that "Strange Fruit" isn't about lynching because you've listened to the instrumental version so many times that you've forgotten the lyrics.


I would like to note that part of that heritage is not only overcoming the effects of the war and the history of racism but THRIVING since those practices were abolished. Furthermore, the people of Charleston (and across the south) appointed themselves with a level of dignity and grace after the shooting at Emanuel AME that we should all aspire to. THAT is the heritage of the south.
Have you NOT noticed that it was the people of Charleston, and across the South, that are the ones pushing to remove said flag? :confused:

Reconstruction's over. You aren't ruled by a bunch of Northern carpetbaggers anymore. If South Carolina is taking the Confederate battle flag off of state monuments, then you are the ones making those decisions.

The fact that it's the KKK stepping up to defend the Confederate flag really says it all. It's a hate organization, seeking to defend a flag whose *cough* heritage is stained with the suffering and blood of millions.

I suggest y'all find a new symbol. I recommend the magnolia.

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Both parties are big government. Both parties are anti-fiscal-responsibility. Both parties are authoritarian. Both parties want to control what the people can do. Sounds pretty liberal to me.

Liberal =/= authoritarian.

Best marketing ploy from the right-wing authoritarian party you despise so much: convince people that liberal = big government, conservative = small government.
 
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Liberal =/= authoritarian.

Best marketing ploy from the right-wing authoritarian party you despise so much: convince people that liberal = big government, conservative = small government.

Seriously? Have you been around any liberals lately?
 
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