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KKK Plans Confederate Flag Rally at SC Capitol

justabubba said:
nor easy to get in
just had to have been born
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More like prove your blood relation to a Confederate veteran. Rank didn't matter.

now, share with us how the KKK of today differs from the KKK of yesterday
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I have, several times, but as is par for the course here I am having to repeat myself again. The ORIGINAL KKK was a police force to protect Southerners, because the police at the time were not doing jack about the rampant crime. The KKK of today is completely different, all about white supremacy and to heck with everyone else.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Some yes. It was how I found out that Grant was not the vicious jerk my granddaddy made him out to be. That he actually came to the rescue when Arlington was essentially stolen from the Lee family.
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Demonizing union generals and ignoring the atrocities committed by southern generals such as Maj. Gen. George Pickett, in order to keep the southern cause alive was a common tactic after the war and is still used today. It's amazing how the collective public memory can be so easily manipulated.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Just because you were never taught it does not make it untrue.
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That has nothing to do with it...

You made a statement.
You need to prove your statement.
Or admit it is nothing but an opinion based on anecdotal evidence.

So which is it? A fact supported by evidence or just some anecdotal hogwash that mysteriously only you have access to?
 
I can't believe I'm having to defend a group as despicable as the KKK. But, they are not terrorists. A bunch of loudmouth jackasses yes. But not terrorists. Terrorists blow **** up and cause terror, hence they name "Terrorist". When was the last time the KKK did anything even remotely terroristic? Unless you now want to call exercising free speech as terroristic? As I've seen several times throughout this thread already...words have meanings folks. Use the correct words if you want anyone to take you seriously. The KKK is a HATE group. NOT a terrorist group. Were they ONCE a terrorist group? Yes. Are they anymore? No.
 
JumpinJack said:
Yes, that's him. McVeigh. I don't subscribe to the notion that someone who does something evil has a mental illness, any more so than any other criminal. All violent criminals are disturbed in one way or another, or they wouldn't be violent criminals.

The Ruby Ridge incident: There was no murder, except intentional homicide of one of the deputies (the first shot fired at a person killed the deputy).

Weaver has a large weapons cache in his cabin. The whole family took up arms and set up in armed positions around the cabin. A firefight erupted. The siege lasted for days.

The marshals were doing their job. They could've handled it better, but when you take up arms against the feds, you are assuming the risk you'll get shot. Even if you are a woman or teenager. They took a risk that they surely knew they were taking, and they were on the losing end....as all criminals are when they resist arrest from the feds. Weaver was finally arrested, after he placed his family in jeapordy.

None of the marshals was found guilty of wrongdoing. There was no murder.

Wacko country bumpkins. If Weaver had just gone with the arresting marshals, none of the killings would have happened. These people who hang out in the woods filled with hatred for the government are very dangerous. Bad things tend to happen whenever they're around.
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Read.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
FYI the publications of the Daughters of the Confederacy and Sons of Confederate Veterans use actual journals and writings from Confederate soldiers to back them up. So where is the "contradiction" again?
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But you haven't cited them, we can't read those journals or read the articles based on them. All we know is what you say you remember from them. And a true historian would of course use journals from soldiers, but they'd hardly rely on those journals, from one side of a conflict, for the big picture.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Except they are. As I have said before, the ORIGINAL KKK was to protect the South, because the police force sure as heck wasn't doing anything about it.
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Historians say the first KKK was a violent organization formed to re-establish white supremacy after the war. Today they are a subversive, terrorist organization with the same belief in white supremacy.

"..Today, many sources classify the Klan as a "subversive or terrorist organization".[25][26][27][28] In April 1997, FBI agents arrested four members of the True Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Dallas for conspiracy to commit robbery and to blow up a natural gas processing plant.[29] In 1999, the city council of Charleston, South Carolina passed a resolution declaring the Klan to be a terrorist organization.[30] In 2004, a professor at the University of Louisville began a campaign to have the Klan declared a terrorist organization in order to ban it from campus.[31]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
 
JasperL said:
But you haven't cited them, we can't read those journals or read the articles based on them. All we know is what you say you remember from them. And a true historian would of course use journals from soldiers, but they'd hardly rely on those journals, from one side of a conflict, for the big picture.
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Like I mentioned earlier I gave away most of my UDC magazines to a horse trainer friend of mine whose wife is a direct descendant of General Lee. Therefore I cannot recall specific monthly issues but overall information
 
Black Dog said:
That has nothing to do with it...

You made a statement.
You need to prove your statement.
Or admit it is nothing but an opinion based on anecdotal evidence.

So which is it? A fact supported by evidence or just some anecdotal hogwash that mysteriously only you have access to?
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Lemme guess you dismiss history passed down from those who were there? WOW, just wow.
 
JumpinJack said:
Yes, that's him. McVeigh. I don't subscribe to the notion that someone who does something evil has a mental illness, any more so than any other criminal. All violent criminals are disturbed in one way or another, or they wouldn't be violent criminals.
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From what I read in American Terrorist the guy had a full out nervous breakdown, even to the point of showing up at his grandfather's house close to the point of taking his own life. Something went wrong somewhere with that guy.

The Ruby Ridge incident: There was no murder, except intentional homicide of one of the deputies (the first shot fired at a person killed the deputy).

Weaver has a large weapons cache in his cabin. The whole family took up arms and set up in armed positions around the cabin. A firefight erupted. The siege lasted for days.

The marshals were doing their job. They could've handled it better, but when you take up arms against the feds, you are assuming the risk you'll get shot. Even if you are a woman or teenager. They took a risk that they surely knew they were taking, and they were on the losing end....as all criminals are when they resist arrest from the feds. Weaver was finally arrested, after he placed his family in jeapordy.

None of the marshals was found guilty of wrongdoing. There was no murder.

Wacko country bumpkins. If Weaver had just gone with the arresting marshals, none of the killings would have happened. These people who hang out in the woods filled with hatred for the government are very dangerous. Bad things tend to happen whenever they're around.
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So killing the family dog was just them "doing their job?" Also what was the government's problem with the Weaver family anyway? I remember hearing about this whole thing but not the details except the feds went after this guy and he let the one fed have it, and the feds killed the son's dog. This combined with the Waco fiasco had everyone on edge I would guess.
 
Moot said:
Historians say the first KKK was a violent organization formed to re-establish white supremacy after the war. Today they are a subversive, terrorist organization with the same belief in white supremacy.

"..Today, many sources classify the Klan as a "subversive or terrorist organization".[25][26][27][28] In April 1997, FBI agents arrested four members of the True Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in Dallas for conspiracy to commit robbery and to blow up a natural gas processing plant.[29] In 1999, the city council of Charleston, South Carolina passed a resolution declaring the Klan to be a terrorist organization.[30] In 2004, a professor at the University of Louisville began a campaign to have the Klan declared a terrorist organization in order to ban it from campus.[31]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
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Then who was protecting the Southern civilians if it wasn't the KKK? Try NO ONE!
 
Lutherf said:
As ashamed as I am about the occasional blatant case of racism in this country I'm even more ashamed by the constant attempts to stomp out free speech. This is crap about the flag is just plain Un-American.

In the past few weeks we've raged against free speech in the flag flap, changed the definition of marriage and decided that "...established by the states" means exactly the same thing as "...established by the federal government". There's always going to be some stuff going on that some of us don't like. That's the way life goes. At some point we all need to grow the **** up and learn how to deal with things that bother us without forcing other people to give up their beliefs and freedoms.
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But your minimizing this. I agree completely that we all need to shoulder a little discomfort and mature to an understanding that we can't all agree or see things the same way and that's okay. But this goes far beyond normal life events and conflicts that we all need to just cope with. I know you've heard this comparison many times here and it's probably very easy to grow a little numb to it but if you can imagine for just a moment saying this same thing about the swastika. Would you feel differently if THAT was the symbol on a flag waiving over a state building?
 
Hatuey said:
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I liked this post just because of this pick. Awesome movie and he was perfect
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
There's the problem, you said mainstream. Mainstream historians are not gonna tell the truth, but reinforce the propaganda
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It sounds a little like you're saying you prefer YOUR propaganda over his. You can battle all you want over what is the accurate history of the evolution of the KKK and never agree. So why battle? The real concern is ... what does it represent today. Well, ref your post #25-
No it actually started by Scotsmen in the South, fed up with the fact that the South had no protection after the war. See the Scottish call themselves clans, so they banded together to be the ones to protect the South because the police of the time weren't doing squat. When they were no longer needed, the KKK was disbanded, only to be hijacked in the 1960's into the racist bunch we know today
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Obviously mainstream history is not telling the truth since it never took my granddaddy, who was fortunate enough to get his facts straight from the horse's mouth, long to refute the myths
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Wow ...you.....are....awesomely entertaining
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
FYI the publications of the Daughters of the Confederacy and Sons of Confederate Veterans use actual journals and writings from Confederate soldiers to back them up. So where is the "contradiction" again?
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You don't think that source might be a little, I don't know.....bias?
 
opendebate said:
But your minimizing this. I agree completely that we all need to shoulder a little discomfort and mature to an understanding that we can't all agree or see things the same way and that's okay. But this goes far beyond normal life events and conflicts that we all need to just cope with. I know you've heard this comparison many times here and it's probably very easy to grow a little numb to it but if you can imagine for just a moment saying this same thing about the swastika. Would you feel differently if THAT was the symbol on a flag waiving over a state building?
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It's a free speech issue and nothing more. We have overcome a lot in this country and should be proud of what we have accomplished. These symbols of our past serve, in some respects, to remind us of where we have been and that we need not go there again.
 
opendebate said:
But your minimizing this. I agree completely that we all need to shoulder a little discomfort and mature to an understanding that we can't all agree or see things the same way and that's okay. But this goes far beyond normal life events and conflicts that we all need to just cope with. I know you've heard this comparison many times here and it's probably very easy to grow a little numb to it but if you can imagine for just a moment saying this same thing about the swastika. Would you feel differently if THAT was the symbol on a flag waiving over a state building?
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We should definitely do the "progressive" thing and remove certain words from Mark Twain's books.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Then who was protecting the Southern civilians if it wasn't the KKK? Try NO ONE!
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Well, who protected the blacks from the southern civilians and the KKK?
 
Lutherf said:
It's a free speech issue and nothing more. We have overcome a lot in this country and should be proud of what we have accomplished. These symbols of our past serve, in some respects, to remind us of where we have been and that we need not go there again.
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I understand your point. But I would no sooner display my 80's coif. Let's bury that mistake...shall we? Lesson learned. We all incorporate what we've learned and move on. There is no need to "remind"
 
scatt said:
We should definitely do the "progressive" thing and remove certain words from Mark Twain's books.
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I think clinging to the past and the "good ole days" is ultimately destructive and really ...pretty self serving. It's not about editing it's about evolving.
 
opendebate said:
I think clinging to the past and the "good ole days" is ultimately destructive and really ...pretty self serving. It's not about editing it's about evolving.
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Amazing, you "progressives" are quite a unique bunch of fascists. Never change.
 
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