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Apparently I am more of a Texan than you will ever be and I moved here in 1992. I prefer to take care of myself vs. having you do it for me. If I couldn't do it I would go to my church and local charities. Amazing how many free clinics there are in the Houston Area not funded by ACA. that shows the difference between me and you

The main difference is I live in the real world.

I was born in Texas in 1952, but you are welcome to the state, after all it's the conservatives who have made it the dump it is becoming. By the time I leave Texas I will be on Medicare, so a continued thank you for your federal tax money I will spend in the future.
 
The main difference is I live in the real world.

I was born in Texas in 1952, but you are welcome to the state, after all it's the conservatives who have made it the dump it is becoming. By the time I leave Texas I will be on Medicare, so a continued thank you for your federal tax money I will spend in the future.

Interesting, so you believe this country was built on a faceless Federal Taxpayer to fund your healthcare program? As for Medicare apparently you don't realize that you and your employer contributed to SS and Medicare throughout your work career and that is what you are supposed to get when you retire, not someone else's contribution. Let me know what your neighbor says about paying for your healthcare?
 
Interesting, so you believe this country was built on a faceless Federal Taxpayer to fund your healthcare program? As for Medicare apparently you don't realize that you and your employer contributed to SS and Medicare throughout your work career and that is what you are supposed to get when you retire, not someone else's contribution. Let me know what your neighbor says about paying for your healthcare?

I told you, you're my neighbor and evidently you don't like it. Too bad you will have to deal with it. Don't worry, we all have difficulties in life to overcome, I'm sure you will do fine.
 
I told you, you're my neighbor and evidently you don't like it. Too bad you will have to deal with it. Don't worry, we all have difficulties in life to overcome, I'm sure you will do fine.

No, I am not your neighbor and it isn't uncommon for people like you to fail to go face to face with anyone to ask for money yet go to a faceless taxpayer because that is the easy way out. The advent of the computer makes going faceless a lot easier
 
No, I am not your neighbor and it isn't uncommon for people like you to fail to go face to face with anyone to ask for money yet go to a faceless taxpayer because that is the easy way out. The advent of the computer makes going faceless a lot easier

Don't you work in the medical community, a nurse, PA or something?
 
Like I said...pathetic attempt to hide from their disgustingly racist, bigoted, and hateful past.

Yep, that is what happens when you let Southern Conservatives into your party. They stain your fabric and it takes generations to completely rid yourself of the stench, as you so well point out here.
 
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Of course you would but why don't you go next door and ask your neighbor to pay for your healthcare costs? You have no problem accepting money from a faceless taxpayer so how about looking your neighbor in the eye and ask him/her for the money

May I point out the private insurance works on this principal. You are either a funder or beneficiary. We do not have pay-as-you-go health care, (although prior to the PPACA, we had it more than most countries as you could be rolled out the system with a pre-existing condition). No one pays dollar for dollar on his/her healthcare. You pay your premiums, which have baked in a estimated probability that you get a disease or condition that is financially catastrophic. Since the premium is based on an expected value (probability * cost * mark-up), should you actually get the disease, you neighbor pays the freight. If, instead, he gets the disease instead of you, you pay for your neighbor. The only difference between private health insurance and a government health insurance is the profit motive (which can be a good or a bad thing)..
 
May I point out the private insurance works on this principal.

Except that private insurance had one major difference -- consent.
 
Except that private insurance had one major difference -- consent.

Do you live under the belief that you have to give an affirmative consent for all things in our nation in which you participate in one way or another?
 
Except that private insurance had one major difference -- consent.

A lot of National defense spending is done without my consent also, but themes the breaks.
 
Do you live under the belief that you have to give an affirmative consent for all things in our nation in which you participate in one way or another?

Are you asking a legal question (which is pointless)?
 
May I point out the private insurance works on this principal. You are either a funder or beneficiary. We do not have pay-as-you-go health care, (although prior to the PPACA, we had it more than most countries as you could be rolled out the system with a pre-existing condition). No one pays dollar for dollar on his/her healthcare. You pay your premiums, which have baked in a estimated probability that you get a disease or condition that is financially catastrophic. Since the premium is based on an expected value (probability * cost * mark-up), should you actually get the disease, you neighbor pays the freight. If, instead, he gets the disease instead of you, you pay for your neighbor. The only difference between private health insurance and a government health insurance is the profit motive (which can be a good or a bad thing)..

Look, there is no question that reform is necessary, the question is whether or not ACA is that solution. Anything the Federal Govt. gets involved in has good intentions but always costs more than expected and does less than expected. The biggest issues I see are portability as well as insurance for the previously uninsurable. Both can be fixed without ACA. I find it hard to understand why anyone would support another Federal entitlement program administered by the Federal govt. that is currently over 18 trillion dollars in debt. Mandating that any American has to buy especially for personal responsibility issues should send a chill down the spine of every freedom loving American. I am sure you enjoy being told what to do or what to buy?
 
Are you asking a legal question (which is pointless)?

Simply a question arising from your statement. No legal opinion is necessary as we are not in court.
 
Simply a question arising from your statement. No legal opinion is necessary as we are not in court.

Are you asking if I prefer consent to be the relevant factor in relationships and business transactions?
 
Are you asking if I prefer consent to be the relevant factor in relationships and business transactions?

Oh no - something much more to the point arising from what you said in your own post - namely what the heck does CONSENT have to do with a national program which applies to the citizenry which has been passed by the peoples government and upheld by the judiciary?
 
Wow, you will go to no end to distort and lie about the Reagan record. Had a very good friend stationed in Granada who was saved by the U.S. Marines there and he tells a different story but then again you are an expert in just about everything even though you were never there.

Wow. Reagan's apologists will go to no end to manufacture crap to cover his crimes.
 
Oh no - something much more to the point arising from what you said in your own post - namely what the heck does CONSENT have to do with a national program which applies to the citizenry which has been passed by the peoples government and upheld by the judiciary?

So you lied when you said you were not asking a legal question. Again, the legal aspect of that is pointless. Huuur its the law.
 
Except national defense is in the Constitution, healthcare isn't

The founders would role over in their graves if they knew the size and scope our defense spending today. Most of them didn't even like the idea of a standing army and preferred the country be defended by citizen militias.
 
Yes, and except for Federal Govt. mandates the communities in TX take care of their own which is the right way of doing things, not delegating responsibility for your state to the Federal Taxpayers

Thing is, the communities don't. TX has the highest rate of uninsured people in the country.
 
Except national defense is in the Constitution, healthcare isn't

I know conservatives don't know what's in the Constitution but there's this preamble thingy that gives the reasons for creating the document and along with "provide for the common defense" there's "promote the general welfare" in it. Those are both pretty broad mandates. Article I goes on to give Congress the power to create laws. There's at least as much justification for creating a health care system as there is for creating a standing professional army, navy (but no air force since that's definitely not in there, right?).
 
The founders would role over in their graves if they knew the size and scope our defense spending today. Most of them didn't even like the idea of a standing army and preferred the country be defended by citizen militias.

Yet your side attacks the 2A and dont even want people to have magazines over 10 rounds, 8 round, 7 rounds, or whatever some idiot decided was appropriate this week.
 
Because the Constitution says the govt. will do it. where does the Constitution mandate that the Federal taxpayers fund your health insurance. One of your most idiotic posts ever

Indicate the article and clause where Congress is forbidden to do that.
 
Typical liberalism/socialism where people like you are jealous of what others have and thus have to punish wealth creation. Tax cuts to the rich mean the rich get to keep more of what they earn and thus have the choice of where to spend it. That doesn't work for people like you who never understand what the rich do with their money and the jobs that money creates. The rich will never spend the way you or other socialists want thus have to be punished. You need to realize that the rich don't have enough money to fund the liberal spending appetite.

As for the debt. let's start with 1980

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


Carter 900 billion
Reagan 1.7 trillion
GHW Bush 1.4 trillion
Clinton 1.4 trillion
GW Bush 4.9 trillion
Obama 7.6 trillion

How is your math?

Much better than yours. Your numbers above are all wrong and I know why: you didn't go by fiscal years. The first FY of a new president doesn't begin until Oct. 1 not the day he's inaugurated. That would mean that Carter's is only $300B, Reagan $1.9T, Bush I $1.7T, Clinton $1.2T, BushII $6.1T and Obama to date is $6.2T. The grand totals by party comes to $9.7T republicans to $7.7T for democrats. But that's also not really accurate because the interest on previously created debt does eventually show up on later presidents "score card." When the interest of the first term of the two term presidents is removed from the equation then the amounts come to about $7.2T for republicans and $4.2 for dems.
 
So you lied when you said you were not asking a legal question. Again, the legal aspect of that is pointless. Huuur its the law.

Lied? What the hell are you talking about??? I was asking you what the hell CONSENT had to do with a government program for the citizenry.

Your utter impotence to answer that question shows that you realize that the guillotine was about to fall on the nonsense you tried to get away with.
 
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