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Obama's approval rating grows following memorable week

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You're celebrating that for the first time as much a HALF the people approve of the job he's doing? Any other business and that employee would be fired.

right...in any other business, but this is the presidency. over the course of my lifetime, I've rarely seen any president with much higher than 50% approval except for right after 9/11 and during the 90's economic boom.
 
Those Congressional Representatives were elected by the people or didn't you understand that? So what you are saying is that Gruber was talking about those who didn't support ACA and was calling them stupid? So that is called liberal logic

You're indeed a riot, Con. Thanks for the laugh
 
Proud to be an American?

One of the most racist countries in the West. A country that - since 9/11 - has acted pathetically internationally. One that runs around the world, bombing countries at will (committing technical acts of war), detaining innocent people for over a decade, torturing others and flat out invading countries when they don't like their regime and almost always leaving the place FAR worse off then when they arrived. A country that is so obsessed with terrorism that it monitors it's own citizens private communications and limits freedoms and rights of those same citizens in the name of 'public safety'. A country that spends far, FAR more then all it's potential enemies several times over on defence - and yet much of America's population actually wants more defence spending. And despite this obsession with terrorism and the gigantic amounts of money spent to fight it, terrorist organizations are FAR stronger now then before 9/11 AND far too many Americans have become spineless and cower in fear whenever a terrorist goes 'boo' - even half way around the world.

A country which prides itself on 'free enterprise' is now one whose economy is practically run by bankers at the Fed.

A country which is broke and getting broker every day and whose economy is still stumbling along in mediocrity despite massive government stimuli and zero interest rates.

A country that is so incredibly backwards that it just now passed a same sex marriage law that is WAAAAAY behind the curve in the West International | Freedom to Marry Being proud of a country that now allows gay marriage is like being proud of your child for not bullying the neighbourhood children any longer. Sure, it's good he stopped doing it, but it was pathetic that he was doing it in the first place.


Before 9/11, America was a country to be proud of. Now, imo, it is a country that at the very least has lost it's way. And at the most has become a sad excuse for a great power.

Wow that was harsh even for you. I agree that the U.S. is too much like the S.S United States and take longer to "turn" than she should. But I think you took 9/11 a bit hard if you care. You think the terrorists won? You should see the Freedom Tower in person. It is magnificent as is the memorial with 2 reflecting pools in the footprints of the World Trade Center Towers. It is not the work of a defeated nation.
We can STILL do amazing things if we work together. Happy 4th of July.
 
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It's a legitimate "bump" - but at the end of the day, the economy is still sour, goofy racial strife is still en vogue, and the seas have not quite receded. I think he will be back in the mid-40s within a month.
 
Well I guess it all depends on how history remembers him. Reagan was 50% at this point and he's regarded fondly by conservatives as one of the best Presidents in the modern era. We'll just have to see if history is equally kind to Obama. I think he will be. He doesn't have Reagan's "presided over the fall of the USSR" crowdpleasing tagline, but as a guy who kept the United States chugging along, as well as leading us, slowly by surely, out of the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression, when the the dust settles Obama will be remembered as having been a fine president.

I'm kind of torn on that, on one hand it could be pointed that during his reign the political scene became very divided and little was done to try to repair the gap (ignoring if he realistically could or couldn't). On the other hand, despite this and, as you mentioned, some pretty bad times the country managed to not fall apart under his helm, which should be seen as a positive, and some important landmarks happened under his watch.

I guess right now I feel he'll be seen as average, not the evil horrible president some on the right acts like he is, and not the saint some on the left act he is. Imagine his successor will play a role too, if they flop massively then it'll probably help his legacy
 
I'm kind of torn on that, on one hand it could be pointed that during his reign the political scene became very divided and little was done to try to repair the gap (ignoring if he realistically could or couldn't). On the other hand, despite this and, as you mentioned, some pretty bad times the country managed to not fall apart under his helm, which should be seen as a positive, and some important landmarks happened under his watch.

I guess right now I feel he'll be seen as average, not the evil horrible president some on the right acts like he is, and not the saint some on the left act he is. Imagine his successor will play a role too, if they flop massively then it'll probably help his legacy
What 'important landmarks' will add to BHO's positive legacy?

It doesn't seem right that someone else should fail in order to make Obama look good. Keep in mind that Obama will be leaving behind a $20 trillion dollar debt, troubled race relations, international policies in chaos and little or no respect from any world leaders. I can't see any accomplishments at all but I'd like to hear of some..
 
I'm kind of torn on that, on one hand it could be pointed that during his reign the political scene became very divided and little was done to try to repair the gap (ignoring if he realistically could or couldn't). On the other hand, despite this and, as you mentioned, some pretty bad times the country managed to not fall apart under his helm, which should be seen as a positive, and some important landmarks happened under his watch.

I guess right now I feel he'll be seen as average, not the evil horrible president some on the right acts like he is, and not the saint some on the left act he is. Imagine his successor will play a role too, if they flop massively then it'll probably help his legacy

What I've been seeing is that the extreme divisiveness tends to become a historical footnote largely forgotten. Already only those who were there remember that the partisanship during the Clinton administration was just about as bad as it is now.
 
So again, you believe Gruber was talking about those who didn't support ACA when he called the electorate stupid?

No...I don't think it was meant for left or right, I think he was talking about the electorate as a whole. I think he was wrong about using the word "stupidity" because ignorance is a better word...
 
I support Gruber's claim that the Democrat electorate is stupid

And what about the GOP electorate that has Trump right under Bush and ahead of everybody else, lol?? Think that electorate is bright. ;)
 
Wow that was harsh even for you. I agree that the U.S. is too much like the S.S United States and take longer to "turn" than she should. But I think you took 9/11 a bit hard if you care. You think the terrorists won? You should see the Freedom Tower in person. It is magnificent as is the memorial with 2 reflecting pools in the footprints of the World Trade Center Towers. It is not the work of a defeated nation.
We can STILL do amazing things if we work together. Happy 4th of July.

Americans can and do do amazing things. I think his criticism is more towards the leadership that we've had in the country for so long. As to the WTC memorial, you can throw money at anything and look amazing. What would be nice is to see a foreign policy in the Middle East that is constructive, lifts the region up, as opposed to the destructive policies that have been advanced in the region for decades, and as our intelligence agencies have declared in their NIE, have created American enemies, caused an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe. Which means that we could have another 9/11 which you might see as another opportunity for another amazing memorial that proves American exceptionalism. But I would view it as continued American leadership failure. And who was it that just said that we are presently at our highest threat level for exactly another 9/11 type attack here? That's what the intelligence agency said was the risk of our continued ME failed policies!!!!!!!!!!!
 
He used his political clout, charisma and savior faire to win over certain elements to make the ACA politically feasible.

Even won over a right leaning Supreme Court justice that has twice ensured that the ACA lives!!
 
Who gives a ****? He isnt running for election again and everyone with a brain knows that he is a ****ing loser setting our country up for complete destruction.

Right. Because providing health care and equal rights is destruction. Same thing the GOP said when we were busy providing social security, Medicare and civil rights in times past.
 
That's true. That sad fact doesn't make Obama any better though.

And that's true too. And plenty of Obama's base is disenchanted with him as well. Some of the things that are disappointing to them, which may not be to you, is that he promised increased whistleblower protections, but in fact has prosecuted more than any predecessor, promised to rid Washington of lobbyist influence, when in fact it's increased, promised the most transparent presidency, when in fact it's been the least, and promised to talk to our "enemies" in the ME, when in fact he's advanced Bush type policies there, except on steroids!!!!!!
 
No...I don't think it was meant for left or right, I think he was talking about the electorate as a whole. I think he was wrong about using the word "stupidity" because ignorance is a better word...

The context matters and it is context that you ignore. It was about Gruber selling the program to the American electorate and those who saw through the liberal entitlement façade aren't the stupid ones, those that bought the bs are and he knew he could sell it to those people
 
And what about the GOP electorate that has Trump right under Bush and ahead of everybody else, lol?? Think that electorate is bright. ;)

Conservative principles and values are verified by actual results, therein lies the difference. Liberals think with their hearts whereas conservatives think with their brain. I don't think any Obama supporter should be talking about Conservative candidates as not being qualified or having Trump ahead of Jeb Bush. Obama was incompetent when elected and re-elected and the results show it
 
Americans can and do do amazing things. I think his criticism is more towards the leadership that we've had in the country for so long. As to the WTC memorial, you can throw money at anything and look amazing. What would be nice is to see a foreign policy in the Middle East that is constructive, lifts the region up, as opposed to the destructive policies that have been advanced in the region for decades, and as our intelligence agencies have declared in their NIE, have created American enemies, caused an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe. Which means that we could have another 9/11 which you might see as another opportunity for another amazing memorial that proves American exceptionalism. But I would view it as continued American leadership failure. And who was it that just said that we are presently at our highest threat level for exactly another 9/11 type attack here? That's what the intelligence agency said was the risk of our continued ME failed policies!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't blame Obama for the M.E. clusterf-ck. I think he is trying something different there and that's at least a start. We can't continue the failed policies of the past and expect different results. We need to get the countries in the region involved or there will never be peace there. As far as threat levels, I see them as meaningless. We are always under threat of terrorists, it is what we do to thwart those threats that is of importance. I firmly believe 911 could have been prevented under different leadership for example.
 
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Conservative principles and values are verified by actual results, therein lies the difference. Liberals think with their hearts whereas conservatives think with their brain. I don't think any Obama supporter should be talking about Conservative candidates as not being qualified or having Trump ahead of Jeb Bush. Obama was incompetent when elected and re-elected and the results show it

We saw the results of conservatives on 911, the ill fated Iraq invasion, Katrina, the 2008 financial collapse and ensuing Great Recession. The brains of the neo-conservatives are something to worry about. You might think it is a coincidence that nothing like any of those has happened under Obama but that would be because you don't really look at results only ideology.
 
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Conservative principles and values are verified by actual results, therein lies the difference. Liberals think with their hearts whereas conservatives think with their brain. I don't think any Obama supporter should be talking about Conservative candidates as not being qualified or having Trump ahead of Jeb Bush. Obama was incompetent when elected and re-elected and the results show it

Care to speak about the electorates support of Trump?!!! :lamo
 
I don't blame Obama for the M.E. clusterf-ck. I think he is trying something different there and that's at least a start. We can't continue the failed policies of the past and expect different results. We need to get the countries in the region involved or there will never be peace there. As far as threat levels, I see them as meaningless. We are always under threat of terrorists, it is what we do to thwart those threats that is of importance. I firmly believe 911 could have been prevented under different leadership for example.

The US, under the leadership of both Bush and Obama has removed the far more stabilizing forces of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad creating the instability that exists in the ME presently, and providing the opportunity for the rise of the Islamic State. Obama very much owns this. You may wish to look the other way with regards to Libya and Syria, ignoring the ongoing death and destruction in both those countries, but Russia and China are not, they both have been quite vocal in their opposition to our policies there, and they both are right, the US being wrong, and I think at least in part, that was DA60's point, and he's right.
 
The US, under the leadership of both Bush and Obama has removed the far more stabilizing forces of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad creating the instability that exists in the ME presently, and providing the opportunity for the rise of the Islamic State. Obama very much owns this. You may wish to look the other way with regards to Libya and Syria, ignoring the ongoing death and destruction in both those countries, but Russia and China are not, they both have been quite vocal in their opposition to our policies there, and they both are right, the US being wrong, and I think at least in part, that was DA60's point, and he's right.

How did Obama force the people of those countries to rebel? The consensus is that the destabilizing effect of the Iraq invasion and occupation is what brought on these rebellions against dictatorships more than anything else. As Americans we can't and shouldn't support oppressive dictatorships which is apparently your complaint. The Russian and Chinese are fearful of rebellions against their own regimes so of course they oppose all popular rebellions no matter how justified. Your adulation is noted.
 
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How did Obama force the people of those countries to rebel? The consensus is that the destabilizing effect of the Iraq invasion and occupation is what brought on these rebellions against dictatorships more than anything else. As Americans we can't and shouldn't support oppressive dictatorships which is apparently your complaint. The Russian and Chinese are fearful of rebellions against their own regimes so of course they oppose all popular rebellions no matter how justified. Your adulation is noted.

I didn't say we need to support dictatorships (never mind our history of doing just that when it suits our "interests") but overthrowing them may (and that's debatable too) be a good idea, but only when you have an improved alternative, something that we have not provided in either Libya or Syria! Russia and China's complaints about our Libyan policy wasn't our support of popular rebellion, but our abuse of 1973 which authorized the use of force to protect civilians. That abuse China and Russia objected to was expressed by them the minute bombing sorties began as they both pointed out that the sorties were consistent with regime change, something both of them did not support! And indeed was a violation of UN1973. And was the stated reason why every time (I think three times) Obama dispatched Hillary Clinton to the UN to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria, Russia and China said, hell no, pointing at Libya as the reason. It doesn't matter whether or not you accept it, Obama is as responsible as Bush, maybe more so for the miserable state of affairs in the ME, and a reason why Russia and China are forging closer ties, opposing us in the ME now and decrying the dangers of a US dominated uni-polar world that they both are VERY intent on opposing.
 
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