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Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

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We already read your posts. We're still looking for an intelligent argument.

Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger Effect?
You're kind of living it.
 
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you actually have to prove it. I don't know any recognized religion that practices that.

Actually, no. The Supreme Court, in the Hobby Lobby case, already said you didn't have to prove anything, you just had to assert that you had a religious belief.
 
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Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger Effect?
You're kind of living it.

No, I'm watching it in your posts. Go away, troll.
 
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Read the thread before you jump in.

translation: you cant
ive read this whole thread my first post in it was 71.
let us know when you can provide one fact that supports your claim . . .one . . thanks
facts win again
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

Actually, no. The Supreme Court, in the Hobby Lobby case, already said you didn't have to prove anything, you just had to assert that you had a religious belief.

again show a religious belief that believes like that?
good luck getting hired to begin with.
 
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again show a religious belief that believes like that?

Don't have to. I can have a religion of 1.
 
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The state and government cannot force someone to violate their religious beliefs. the SCOTUS has ruled on this constantly.
yes that is exactly it. their rights will be stripped and the government cannot do that.

They're ruled that a Judge, if he doesn't believe a law complies with God's law, can ignore it? That an agent of the state can deny services to someone if that person fails a religious test of the agent's sole definition? Give me a cite to a court case.

if it is a violation of their religious beliefs the government cannot force them. to do so would be a religious discrimination.

I suppose that's true. They can alternatively quit or be fired. A judge disbarred, etc.

arbitrary meaning you have to just assume they didn't believe that way to begin with.
if they firmly believe that marriage is between a man and a women the government cannot force them to
violate their religious beliefs. it is constitutionally protected.

No, I make no judgment about whether a person believes blacks and whites are an affront to god. I just know that I don't care what they believe, they're obligated as an agent of the state to issue a license to Justice Thomas and wife Virginia. Or they can find another job. But complying with the law over their government duties isn't optional, or dependent on if those laws perfectly fit into their own, personal, religiously allowed box. They cannot impose religious tests as a condition of granting a license.
 
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They're ruled that a Judge, if he doesn't believe a law complies with God's law, can ignore it? That an agent of the state can deny services to someone if that person fails a religious test of the agent's sole definition? Give me a cite to a court case.

the state has to make reasonable allowances to a persons religious belief. that is law and constitutional.


I suppose that's true. They can alternatively quit or be fired. A judge disbarred, etc.
not at all that is religious discrimination and against the law. religious beliefs are a protected class.


No, I make no judgment about whether a person believes blacks and whites are an affront to god. I just know that I don't care what they believe, they're obligated as an agent of the state to issue a license to Justice Thomas and wife Virginia. Or they can find another job. But complying with the law over their government duties isn't optional, or dependent on if those laws perfectly fit into their own, personal, religiously allowed box. They cannot impose religious tests as a condition of granting a license.

I know you don't care you prove it every post you make. that still doesn't mean what you think is correct.
the constitution and religious discrimination laws protects people religious views and rights.

the government cannot force someone to violate those and they have to make reasonable accommodations.
the first amendment protection their exercise of religion.
 
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Attorney General Paxton: Religious Liberties of Texas Public Officials Remain Constitutionally Protected After Obergefell v. Hodges

Attorney General Ken Paxton today made the following statement and issued an opinion in response to questions about the impact of Obergefell v. Hodges, the case that redefined marriage:

“Friday, the United States Supreme Court again ignored the text and spirit of the Constitution to manufacture a right that simply does not exist. In so doing, the Court weakened itself and weakened the rule of law, but did nothing to weaken our resolve to protect religious liberty and return to democratic self-government in the face of judicial activists attempting to tell us how to live. Cont.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/static/5144.html

Above is the link to the statement made by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.
His full opinion is linked here.

“Justices of the peace and judges similarly retain religious freedoms, and may claim that the government cannot force them to conduct same-sex wedding ceremonies over their religious objections, when other authorized individuals have no objection, because it is not the least restrictive means of the government ensuring the ceremonies occur. The strength of any such claim depends on the particular facts of each case.”
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/static/5144.html
He sounds like a person trying to make a name and build a reputation as a hard line conservative. Sounds to me like he wants to use this move as the stepping stone to bigger and better things.
 
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you actually have to prove it. I don't know any recognized religion that practices that.

If their religion prohibits a clerk whose job it is to clerk issuing gun permits, can she keep her job is she simply denies all permits to everyone? I don't see why not because lots of religions or religious beliefs would object to the proliferation of firearms! And some mayor in a librul, gun hatin' city can just hire only those people who happen to religiously object to issuing firearms permits, and we've neutered the 2nd Amendment laws in that city or state!

Lots of ways these "optional" laws can be used to our advantage! The possibilities are endless. IRS agents who object to taxes in excess of 10%. After all if god only requires 10%, Caesar shouldn't demand more! She surely cannot be fired for only collecting what her religion informs her is appropriate!
 
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the state has to make reasonable allowances to a persons religious belief. that is law and constitutional.



not at all that is religious discrimination and against the law. religious beliefs are a protected class.




I know you don't care you prove it every post you make. that still doesn't mean what you think is correct.
the constitution and religious discrimination laws protects people religious views and rights.

the government cannot force someone to violate those and they have to make reasonable accommodations.
the first amendment protection their exercise of religion.

Cite a case so we can all review the law and how it is applied in an actual factual situation. I might be wrong, but you saying I am isn't going to convince me. So help me understand the law by citing some actual law.
 
OK, I read the opinion, and as I suggested earlier, if the clerk hands off SSM to the clerk sitting next to her and there is no delay or inconvenience, then as a practical matter that might be OK. But as the opinion all but admits, there has to be someone on duty who IS willing to issue the license and comply with the law.

It looks like those who MAY but aren't required to conduct marriages (i.e. justices of the peace, etc.) can do all or none.

That's all good so long as when a same sex couple shows up they get their license, and that's what the law will require.
 
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So, you'd be perfectly fine with your 11 year old son getting buggered by some 50 year old man?
That's great. I'm going to get a few 12 year old Asian girls imported to be my wives.

Wow, really?

More likely buggered by the 50 year old Catholic priest, doncha think?
 
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That's good. Since I've had my eyes on these 14 year old Asian twins for a while now.
They're both female so you'll probably disapprove. But, how does my marrying them affect you?

They are not of legal age to sign a legal marriage contract, not in most states anyway. And such a legal arrangement would cause serious legal issues should one or both of them not wish to be with you (assuming they are able and willing to sign the marriage license with you) later down the road. There is no actual group limited in their marriage choices here.
 
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Under state laws you couldn't married if you are gay. But, courts all over the country have voided those laws. Even in opposition to the voter's overwhelming disapproval.
Now that gay marriage has bee forced down our throats, how long do you think it will be before marriage at puberty is legalized as well?
(Here's a hint, once someone realizes that and girl of breeding age can get an abortion they'll move to make allowing her to get married legal as well.)
how do you come up with this idiocy?
 
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how do you come up with this idiocy?

It's this amazing world that I live in called REALITY.
You should try it sometime.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

It's this amazing world that I live in called REALITY.
You should try it sometime.

you keep saying that but yet still havent backed up your lies with one fact based on legality, precedence and rights . . . . not one lol

lets us know when you can, please do so in your next post. thanks
facts win again
 
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Yet you declare that gays should not get married. Are you afraid you will have to pay for it?

I am already paying for it. 55% of my property taxes go to a bloated school system that will now have it in their heads that they have to teach children that homosexuality is normal.
 
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you keep saying that but yet still havent backed up your lies with one fact based on legality, precedence and rights . . . . not one lol

lets us know when you can, please do so in your next post. thanks
facts win again

Dude, come back when you learn sentence structure and punctuation.
 
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Dude, come back when you learn sentence structure and punctuation.

another dodge and ZERO facts to support your lies. thats what I thought, let us know when you can. thanks!
you post fails and facts win again
 
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another dodge and ZERO facts to support your lies. thats what I thought, let us know when you can. thanks!
you post fails and facts win again

Get an education if you want to converse with me. I din't have time to translate Mongoloid into English.
 
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Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger Effect?
You're kind of living it.
Yet you was the one who claimed intelligence in your posts. The irony....
 
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