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Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays[W:297]

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AUSTIN, TX --
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton calls the Supreme Court decision giving same-sex couples the right to marry a "lawless ruling" and says state workers can cite their religious objections in denying marriage licenses. cont. on the web site


Paxton: State workers can deny licenses to same-sex couples | abc13.com

[h=1]Paxton: State workers can deny licenses to same-sex couples[/h]
Here we go the first actual decent from the Joy. I think this is doomed before it starts. There is no end to hate and judgement IMO. Thoughts.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

I expect better from Texas.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

Now we get to see if a SCOTUS decision to expand one group's rights actually trumps an enumerated right that has been protected since the 1st amendment was created. This is when things get interesting.
 
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This is simply going to get the state sued, for monetary amounts, as well as these clerks. If I were them, I'd think about that before they deny any marriage licenses. The SCOTUS is not going to allow this, nor are other federal courts and it will move quickly. This is assuming that Obama and the Justice Department doesn't step in before that time.
 
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Now we get to see if a SCOTUS decision to expand one group's rights actually trumps an enumerated right that has been protected since the 1st amendment was created. This is when things get interesting.

Hmmm interesting. Do you think this is any different than a racist refusing to issue marriage licenses to interracial couples? Do you think the same measures to deal with racists in the 1960s won't be used in 2015 to deal with homophobes in positions of power? Your first amendment rights don't trump what the law permits and doesn't permit.
 
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lawsuits and arrests for contempt of court will be a growth industry in texas
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

I expect better from Texas.

Me too as a native Texan living in Dallas again. And I'm very proud of my friend that is a Judge here that did marry people last week
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

Good to see that Texas is standing up to a SCOTUS gone rogue.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

Good to see that Texas is standing up to a SCOTUS gone rogue.

Texan here and I support gay marriage. And so do my friends that are Judges.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

Texan here and I support gay marriage. And so do my friends that are Judges.

Cool...
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

I knew this would come. I am not surprised it comes from Texas. Telling employees they need not give a license leaves the AG and the state libel in every way. I think this protest is foolish as it won't come to anything except lawsuits and lawyers in Texas all buying new Mercedes. SCOTUS will not like this.
 
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The article also states "He warned in a statement Sunday that any clerk, justice of the peace or other administrator who declines to issue a license to a same-sex couple could face litigation or a fine."

It goes on to state that if this happens he has a group of lawyers who will represent the state worker for free. While Texas courts MIGHT rule in favor of the defendant's, I wonder how effective this would be when the U.S. Attorney General's office begins proceedings in Federal Courts under civil rights violations...the same method used to break the racial codes in the old South during the civil rights movement.

I am amazed at the levels of hate demonstrated by people over a ruling that has absolutely NO EFFECT on the "sanctity" of their own marriages. No one's rights have been violated, and no religion is required to sanction marital ceremonies. All that has happened is that an oppressed minority has had another level of oppression removed from their inherent liberties.
 
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No one's rights have been violated

The authority of the states and the authority of the people of each state to set policy within their state on those matters in which the U.S. Constitution are silent, per the 10th Amendment, has absolutely been violated.
 
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"Libertarian - Right"

You need to change that moniker to something else. While you might be right wing you are no libertarian.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

The authority of the states and the authority of the people of each state to set policy within their state on those matters in which the U.S. Constitution are silent, per the 10th Amendment, has absolutely been violated.

Man you guys really haste the 9th amendment don't ya?
 
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"Libertarian - Right"

You need to change that moniker to something else. While you might be right wing you are no libertarian.

For correctly stating that the Supreme Court has overstepped the limits of the Constitution and created a new right from wholecloth, then incorporated it against the states? Again?

That has nothing to do with political "lean." That's just evidence of the poster in question not being stupid.
 
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Good to see that Texas is standing up to a SCOTUS gone rogue.

Maybe we will see federal troops enforcing the law like in Alabama during the Wallace debacle. I imagine Texas, like Alabama will fold like a house of cards should this occur.
 
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Man you guys really haste the 9th amendment don't ya?

A legal truism that was never meant to be a catch-all for the Supreme Court bypassing the amendment process? It's fine as written. The way it has been abused is beyond reason.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

The authority of the states and the authority of the people of each state to set policy within their state on those matters in which the U.S. Constitution are silent, per the 10th Amendment, has absolutely been violated.
If the federal government didn't issue tax benefits and next-of-kin benefits along with other federal benefits to married couples then you'd be correct. It's easier to just legalize all marriages across the nation than remove all the federal cookies that married people get.
 
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For correctly stating that the Supreme Court has overstepped the limits of the Constitution and created a new right from wholecloth, then incorporated it against the states? Again?

That has nothing to do with political "lean." That's just evidence of the poster in question not being stupid.

No less than 14 times SCOTUS has determined marriage to be a right. And now 15 times.
 
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No less than 14 times SCOTUS has determined marriage to be a right. And now 15 times.

For whatever value x, the assertion is wrong on its face x number of times.

The Constitution does not say "marriage is a right," not in those words, not in any words. If you say otherwise, you're lying.

If you want to prove you're not lying, cite the text within the U.S. Constitution that says "marriage is a right." You can't do so, in fact.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

For whatever value x, the assertion is wrong on its face x number of times.

The Constitution does not say marriage is a right. If you say otherwise, you're lying. If you want to prove you're not lying, cite the text within the U.S. Constitution that says "marriage is a right."

The SC has decided and you are wrong. Deal with it!
 
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The SC has decided

A bunch of lying and corrupt pieces of **** that should be disregarded and ignored say something new which is objectively false?

Par for the course. It's a wonder they ever get anything right, and even then, they usually do so for bad reasons.
 
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A legal truism that was never meant to be a catch-all for the Supreme Court bypassing the amendment process? It's fine as written. The way it has been abused is beyond reason.

I as an individual retain my rights even if I want to have a gay marriage over the state.
 
Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

The authority of the states and the authority of the people of each state to set policy within their state on those matters in which the U.S. Constitution are silent, per the 10th Amendment, has absolutely been violated.

Umm...no. The 10th Amendment clearly states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Recall that the Constitution includes "Amendments," and the 14th Amendment states: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

That is known as the Equal Protection Clause. It is why the legal opinion of the SCOTUS majority in the recent ruling on same-sex marriage is valid. Prior to the decision, if an opposite sex couple married in New York and then moved to Ohio, their marriage was honored as legally binding in the State of Ohio even though that State did not issue a marriage license. However, if a same-sex couple was married in one of the 17 states where it was legal, it would NOT be honored as legal if the couple moved to Ohio.

The ruling, identifying marriage as a civil right protected under the Equal Protection Clause, now requires that all states honor same-sex marriages as legally binding, and by extension, same-sex couples have the Constitutionally protected right to marry in all states of the Union.

So, the ruling does not violate the 10th Amendment. Clear?
 
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