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Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

Goshin said:
Well, maybe. :D


"Movements" don't stop moving just because they achieved their primary goal; they never say "Ok, we won, we're good now. Go home and be happy." Heh, no. They get in the habit of pushing for things (and some people get in the habit of making a comfy living by being a vocal spokesperson of the movement, ahem) so they tend to find more things to pitch a bitch fit about and continue generating news and consuming bandwidth for at least another generation. :doh:


Eh, we'll see... :shrug:
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I couldn't agree more. I was being slightly sarcastic when I posted that. It won't be a case of "Hey, that's that, and let's all move on with our lives". Hell, this freaking thread is evidence that isn't going to happen. I'm fine with people marrying whomever they please - I did, and I respect the right of everyone else to do the same. But to read through this thread, you'd think the cure for cancer was finally uncovered. I haven't seen such cheerleading since my 1985 high school homecoming game. There's nothing like gloating to make it enjoyable.:roll:
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Very bad week for the GOP. Heads exploding all over the place. LOL
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Well they have earned it, that's for sure. Not that the dems deserve credit for this outcome either though - 9 states thru legislation, 39 thru the courts
 
President Lincoln followed Presidents Jefferson, Madison, and Jackson in refusing to accept the idea that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what the Constitution means. He said this in his First Inaugural address, with the 1857 Dred Scott decision in mind:

I do not forget the position assumed by some, that constitutional questions are to be decided by the Supreme Court, nor do I deny that such decisions must be binding in any case, upon the parties to a suit, as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all paralel [sic] cases, by all other departments of the government. … At the same time the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government, upon vital questions, affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made … the people will have ceased, to be their own rulers, having, to that extent, practically resigned their government, into the hands of that worthy tribunal.

The decision in Obergefell flagrantly ignores the Constitution, and it deserves no respect. I hope the states and their people will feel free to ignore it as the lawless dictate it is.
 
Deuce said:
What? No. All laws are subject to the 14th amendment. Right? You agree?

Basically, states have the right to define marriage, but just like every other law, such a definition is subject to equal protection and due process.

Either that, or a state can legally define marriage as between a Jewish black man and a hispanic buddhist female only. Right? If states have the right to define marriage, can they do that?
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Dude, you're gonna have to find someone else to argue that odd squirrelly example with. Its been a long day and I'm just too tired to engage in a round of impassioned nitpicking. bon chance and adieu...
 
Deuce said:
Are you under the impression that no more injustice remains regarding sexual orientation?
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Enjoy your witch hunt.


I'll be over at the Tiki bar drinking margaritas and Belgian ale.
 
tres borrachos said:
I couldn't agree more. I was being slightly sarcastic when I posted that. It won't be a case of "Hey, that's that, and let's all move on with our lives". Hell, this freaking thread is evidence that isn't going to happen. I'm fine with people marrying whomever they please - I did, and I respect the right of everyone else to do the same. But to read through this thread, you'd think the cure for cancer was finally uncovered. I haven't seen such cheerleading since my 1985 high school homecoming game. There's nothing like gloating to make it enjoyable.:roll:
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I think it's sad on a day like this you are focusing on some nebulous, hypothetical group of greedy people who are only fighting for gay rights for the money. Turn on your freaking television and look at the faces of the people who have been granted the same dignity and respect that the rest of us have always enjoyed, and tell me you aren't ****ing happy for them.

And yes. I'm going to gloat that a bunch of hateful people didn't get their way, that a bunch of assholes don't get to keep blocking the freedom of others just because they think that's icky. I gloat when injustices end.
 
Goshin said:
Dude, you're gonna have to find someone else to argue that odd squirrelly example with. Its been a long day and I'm just too tired to engage in a round of impassioned nitpicking. bon chance and adieu...
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Goshin said:
Enjoy your witch hunt.


I'll be over at the Tiki bar drinking margaritas and Belgian ale.
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Poor Goshin is very, very upset that anyone would dare question his words on a debate forum. Bye dude.
 
Deuce said:
I think it's sad on a day like this you are focusing on some nebulous, hypothetical group of greedy people who are only fighting for gay rights for the money. Turn on your freaking television and look at the faces of the people who have been granted the same dignity and respect that the rest of us have always enjoyed, and tell me you aren't ****ing happy for them.

And yes. I'm going to gloat that a bunch of hateful people didn't get their way, that a bunch of assholes don't get to keep blocking the freedom of others just because they think that's icky. I gloat when injustices end.
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If you can find where I mentioned money or greedy people in this thread, I'll make a donation to the charity of your choice and send the evidence to the moderator of your choice.

And if you read any of my posts on gay marriage, I said I'm fine with it. I don't care who marries who...never have, never will.

Does anyone here actually read posts?
 
Helix said:
equal protection clause. good decision. no state should be allowed to deny a fundamental right based on sexual orientation.
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hopefully the ruling will be used for courts to enforce equal protection in employment and housing rights in the 28 states where discrimination is legal. That's definitely the next (ongoing) battle. This is a huge for the couples, and very vindicating for those who have suffered - married and not - and who expected to never see this in their lifetime (certainly didn't seem that way in 2004), but in most of the country there's still work to be done.
 
Kinda closing thoughts after I have had some time to digest this: I really wish Kennedy would have written the opinion differently. He spent almost the whole time explaining why it was the right thing to do, and almost no time explaining why it was the legal thing to do, and this despite the fact that the legal arguments where definitely there. There where multiple paths that could have explained the legal reasoning that would have been consistent with precedent, but he chose not to explain the reasoning used. This made Roberts job with his dissent very easy, and that dissent is what will be remembered(he has a very vivid writing style) along with the outcome. It is like Kennedy tailored the ruling to avoid making is usable as any kind of possible precedent, and to do that he really did not talk about the law or the constitution.

I kinda expected that I would like the outcome, but not like the ruling, but the level of my discontent with the ruling is really high. That I suspect it was intentionally done that way does not change my dislike for it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The mental breakdowns occurring are just so... It's everything I thought it would be.

As Deuce put it earlier... delicious!

More to come.
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Indeed, although there are far more common areas of discrimination than marriage (housing, employment), it is SO delicious to see the emo tears from the right wing fanatics, who view this as the "sky is falling, endtimes" scenario
 
Redress said:
Kinda closing thoughts after I have had some time to digest this: I really wish Kennedy would have written the opinion differently. He spent almost the whole time explaining why it was the right thing to do, and almost no time explaining why it was the legal thing to do, and this despite the fact that the legal arguments where definitely there. There where multiple paths that could have explained the legal reasoning that would have been consistent with precedent, but he chose not to explain the reasoning used. This made Roberts job with his dissent very easy, and that dissent is what will be remembered(he has a very vivid writing style) along with the outcome. It is like Kennedy tailored the ruling to avoid making is usable as any kind of possible precedent, and to do that he really did not talk about the law or the constitution.

I kinda expected that I would like the outcome, but not like the ruling, but the level of my discontent with the ruling is really high. That I suspect it was intentionally done that way does not change my dislike for it.
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Roberts' dissent was unique, I agree.
 
GunFora said:
This is a bad week for America and Americans. The moral fabric of the USA is coming apart at the seams. The SCOTUS has just redefined "marriage". The Red Diaper Doper babies are succeeding in taking down America from the inside without even firing a shot. Just as Krustev promised a half century ago.
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well you could always move to russia if you don't like it. After all, they don't have gay marriage. What is it you are so fond of, "america love it or leave it"
 
Fenton said:
I think the left supports the decision because they're under the impression that all Conservatives oppose Gay marriage.

I don't really care one way or the other.

We have much more important issues to deal with.
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Maybe you should read some of the posts by self proclaimed conservatives.
 
Hicup said:
So does this mean that polygamy is now legal too?


Tim-
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no one has to marry 3 wives in order to achieve equal protection or marry someone they love. I didn't know you were such a fan of polygamy
 
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JumpinJack said:
Addiitonaly, there is a group of Republicans called the Log Cabin Republicans. That is a group of GAY Republicans. I assume they support the position that gay marriage should be legal throughout the land.
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they frankly sound like masochists. Just look at the heinous filth coming out of the vomit orifice of every republican prez candidate today
 
Goshin said:
Figured this was going to happen at some point. :shrug:



Well maybe now we can move on and address some issues that are actually important to us all...
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You'd like to forgive and forget so fast. It's like the prototype coward in movies/pro wrestling who keeps taking cheap shots, then running or switching sides when failure is imminent.

Maybe after 1700 years of heterosexuals having to stay single and hide their identity, or face severe persecution, we can call it even. Please don't pretend this wasn't important to you either. I'm not falling for it
 
GunFora said:
nor prohibited by it to the States
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seems you have glossed over that one. The states have not had the constitutional power to discriminate for 150 years now, and it's a damn good thing

Besides, states don't have rights, PEOPLE have rights. States shouldn't exist and this past week, south carolina has been exhibit A
 
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