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Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

I think the left supports the decision because they're under the impression that all Conservatives oppose Gay marriage.

I don't really care one way or the other.

We have much more important issues to deal with.
 
The mental breakdowns occurring are just so... It's everything I thought it would be.

As Deuce put it earlier... delicious!

More to come.
 
Just out: U S S.Ct. rules that there is a constitutional right to same sex marriage, going further than just ruling that states have to recognize it, if performed in a state where it's legal.

This has an impact on the 14 states that have passed laws banning it.

NOTE: The ruling was NOT just that states have to recognize it. The ruling is that it is now LEGAL, being constitutionally protected. It COULD HAVE made the ruling more narrow, but it did not. It went all the way. The matter is now settled. Gay marriage is legal, like interracial marriage is.

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This is a bad week for America and Americans. The moral fabric of the USA is coming apart at the seams. The SCOTUS has just redefined "marriage". The Red Diaper Doper babies are succeeding in taking down America from the inside without even firing a shot. Just as Krustev promised a half century ago.
 
What a steaming crock of bull****.

The Constitution says nothing about this topic.

I think you don't understand the Constitution. It ennumerates our rights in general, but does not rule on specific real life situations and how they may apply to our rights. The founding fathers set up the court system to "interpret" the Constitutional protections, as they apply to real life situations. Real life situations would be so numerous and varied that there could never be a list of them all, not to mention that some situations in the future could not have been foreseen by our founding fathers.

So...the three branches of govt were set up to deal with real life situations. The U.S. S.Ct. being the ultimate and final determiner of the interpretation of the Constitution.

And so said our founding fathers.
 
The fundamental liberties protected by the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause extend to certain personal choices central to individual dignity and autonomy, including intimate choices defining personal identity and beliefs. See, e.g., Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U. S. 438, 453; Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U. S. 479, 484–486. Courts must exercise reasoned judgment in identifying interests of the person so fundamental that the State must accord themits respect. History and tradition guide and discipline the inquirybut do not set its outer boundaries. When new insight reveals discord between the Constitution’s central protections and a received legal stricture, a claim to liberty must be addressed.

So does this mean that polygamy is now legal too?


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I think the left supports the decision because they're under the impression that all Conservatives oppose Gay marriage.

I don't really care one way or the other.

We have much more important issues to deal with.

The left supports it because they support equal rights not because some republicans do not.
 
Apparently they argued it is both a fundamental right and a necessity under equality under the law.

Scalia was...pissed. Not really any other word to describe him. His dissent reads like a rant.
 

This goes against the wishes of the people. It's like in 2010 when the people reacted to having Obamacare shoved down their throats...too much too soon. There will be backlash in the electorate.
 
I think the left supports the decision because they're under the impression that all Conservatives oppose Gay marriage.

I don't really care one way or the other.

We have much more important issues to deal with.

I'm neither left nor right, but the left supports the decision because that is the position of the left, which has nothing to do with what Republicans think. Republicans decide on their own their positions on various subjects.

Addiitonaly, there is a group of Republicans called the Log Cabin Republicans. That is a group of GAY Republicans. I assume they support the position that gay marriage should be legal throughout the land.

It's good that this is finally settled, so we can quit wasting time and energy on it.
 
The founding fathers set up the court system to "interpret" the Constitutional protections

More codswollop.

It's plain English, it doesn't need interpretation, and this is ****ing ridiculous to pretend that when the 14th Amendment was ratified that all of a sudden the Constitution was declaring not only marriage to be a right but that marriages that were conceptually entirely alien were also a right. And that this unstated "right," unlike our absolute right to keep and bear arms, should be enforced against the states.

This is the worst. Thing. A. Supreme Court. Can. Do. It is tyranny.

Constitutional rights are explicit or not at all. The court creating "rights" out of nothing and worse incorporating them against the states is against everything our republic stands for.

This ruling along with the prior Obamacare rulings serves as proof that we the people have been bad stewards and we have not kept our republic. It is too far gone.
 
Antonin Scalia thinks marriage abridges the freedom of intimacy and expression.



I ****ing love this guy.

Conservative Hero Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said:
"The nature of marriage is that, through it's enduring bond, two persons together can find other freedoms, such as expression, intimacy, and spirituality." (Really? Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie. Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say.)
 
What a ****ing retarded lie.

This ruling violates the Constitution.
I'd argue it violates AT LEAST the 10thA.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
Figured this was going to happen at some point. :shrug:



Well maybe now we can move on and address some issues that are actually important to us all...
 
This goes against the wishes of the people. It's like in 2010 when the people reacted to having Obamacare shoved down their throats...too much too soon. There will be backlash in the electorate.

Most people in the country support gay marriage. But even if they didn't, it is not the widespread feelings of people at any given time that dictates our rights. Rightly so.

Our founding fathers set up the system so that the U.S. Supreme Court is the ultimate, final determiner of the interpretation of our rights under the Constitution. There must be some authority to do so. That was the system.

I'm sure you approve of it, when you approve of the decision.
 
I'd argue it violates AT LEAST the 10thA.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Incorrect.

The states have the right to define marriage, but that is still constrained by the 14th amendment. All state authority is. As an example, a state has a right to define marriage, but they do not have the right to define marriage as between a Jewish man and a Jewish woman only.
 
What a ****ing retarded lie.

This ruling violates the Constitution.

And just what are you going to do about it other than bitch? :lamo
 
Hmm...it's been a busy week at the Supreme Court, it seems.
 
This will be the end of the Democratic Party for a generation. You won't see another den in the White House for a decade

And Romney was going to hand Obama his ass on a silver platter last election. You DO know that the majority of Americans favor this, right?
 
Figured this was going to happen at some point. :shrug:



Well maybe now we can move on and address some issues that are actually important to us all...

This isn't the end of it. There will be lawsuit after lawsuit against churches who refuse to marry same-sex couples. Religious freedoms are now being violated.
 
Figured this was going to happen at some point. :shrug:



Well maybe now we can move on and address some issues that are actually important to us all...

The integrity of the Constitution against the Supreme Court bypassing the specifically proscribed amendment process should be important to everyone.

Without the Constitution, we have nothing.

Which means that right now, we have nothing.


The Constitution is the only thing that gives the federal government any authority to do anything. It is the rule of law. With things like this, it is clear that we live under pure fiat and whim.
 
This is a bad week for America and Americans. The moral fabric of the USA is coming apart at the seams. The SCOTUS has just redefined "marriage". The Red Diaper Doper babies are succeeding in taking down America from the inside without even firing a shot. Just as Krustev promised a half century ago.

Ah yes, a reference to old Michael Savage. What ever happened to that piece of ****?
 
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