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France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

Jumping the gun a bit here... information is still coming in to claim it was an Islamic attack.

You mean Jumping the gun as in jumping the gun with typical knee jerk denial?

Yep, it only took one post.
 
Mornin LB.
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One Beheaded, Two Injured in French Plant Terrorist Attack.....

One person was decapitated and two others were injured in a terrorist attack on an Air Products & Chemicals Inc. gas plant near Lyon in southeastern France.

The attackers beheaded a man, posted the severed head at the factory’s entrance with an inscription in Arabic pinned to it before driving into the plant at high speed and ramming into gas cannisters. One person has been arrested, identified and is being questioned, Hollande said......snip~

One Beheaded, Two Injured in French Plant Terrorist Attack - Bloomberg Business

Oh, and the one they have had a Flag of the Daesh.

Thanks. So we can still only guess as to why.
 
So really, what are you saying here? You support actions like this and you take far greater offense at people who object to acts like this than at people who do the killings?

His extremely consistent pattern of defense whenever the subject arises will tell you the answer better than any he might muster by way of direct reply.
 
Thanks. So we can still only guess as to why.

American company.....Hollande says they wanted to blow up the whole place.

According to what I got, the one they captured says they are members of ISIS. But not the real Coca Cola. ;)
 
His extremely consistent pattern of defense whenever the subject arises will tell you the answer better than any he might muster by way of direct reply.

It's just as well. I don't really expect a direct reply.
 
Education. Not enough is being done to educate these young souls and that is evident in the charm that the insane and monstrous ideologies of the Islamic radicals have in their eyes.
Besides that they need to tackle the sources of incitement; Mosques where people are being taught the radical Islamic ideology, radical Imams who preach to radicalism, etc. etc.
And finally they need to start deporting radicals and inciters to radicalism. All of them.

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I would be very much against dealing with any idea by force because

1 It lends credence to such ideas that they don't deserve

2 Governments the industrialized west are just as likely to abuse the power to censor speach they don't like as they are anywhere else. We have allready seen the deportation (and subsequent torture) of anti-Gaddadi activists in the UK for example.

A better way forward would be to support people like this Cleric launches 'counter-terrorism' curriculum - BBC News
 
I hope they take away my 30 round mags so I am safer.
 
American company.....Hollande says they wanted to blow up the whole place.

According to what I got, the one they captured says they are members of ISIS. But not the real Coca Cola. ;)

To oust US companies or what? Cause strive? It this weren't the lone rangers, they must have a specific agenda.
 
I think they do a certain amount of welding gases like argon, oxygen, nitrogen, and such but what I know them for is chemical additives.

I once worked as a temporary laborer at one of their plants (it could have been a smaller one). At that location, they sold, but did not produce commercial and consumer level quantities of welding gasses. On any given day, they had about 300 full cylinders of various welding gasses on hand and an equal number of empties.

Though this was enough for a boom, but I think it would have been harder to blow up the plant than one would think. The gasses were stored in seperate fire proof locations that did not join each other. Also, the cylinders themselves are very stout- a full time employee told me it took alot to rupture one. I believe the gasses also varied in potential explosive power.

In short, the jihaders were probably fantasizing about "Hiroshima on the Seine" when what they probably would have produced if they systematically attacked the plant would have been say, a "three batallion fire".
 
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To oust US companies or what? Cause strive? It this weren't the lone rangers, they must have a specific agenda.



Cause Terror.....show the US that their interests and people aren't safe anywhere. Par for the course. Daesh has called for lone wolves to do what they can to go after us.

I am just surprised that we don't have the usual, you know.....where some think this is helping Daesh to spread their propaganda.
 
It's just as well. I don't really expect a direct reply.

You may get a direct reply, but getting an honest one is another matter.

There is often an enormous disconnect between what people claim to support and what their pattern of comments reveals by way of what they actually do support. A wise man once said to judge a tree by the fruit it produces, and I believe this to be quite sage advice.
 
You may get a direct reply, but getting an honest one is another matter.

There is often an enormous disconnect between what people claim to support and what their pattern of comments reveals by way of what they actually do support. A wise man once said to judge a tree by the fruit it produces, and I believe this to be quite sage advice.



Mornin Gardner. :2wave: Did he say anything about Crab-Apples? :2razz:
 
I once worked as a temporary laborer at one of their plants (it could have been a smaller one). At that location, they sold, but did not produce commercial and consumer level quantities of welding gasses. On any given day, they had about 300 full cylinders of various welding gasses on hand and an equal number of empties.

Though this was enough for a boom, but I think it would have been harder to blow up the plant than one would think. The gasses were stored in seperate fire proof locations that did not join each other. Also, the cylinders themselves are very stout- a full time employee told me it took alot to rupture one. I believe the gasses also varied in potential explosive power.

In short, the jihaders were probably fantasizing about "Hiroshima on the Seine" when what they probably would have produced if they systematically attacked the plant would have been say, a "three batallion fire".


this, pressurized cylinders , particularly for the 80-90% of mostly "inert" (not technically true) would be more dangerous as projectiles.
 
I would be very much against dealing with any idea by force because

1 It lends credence to such ideas that they don't deserve

2 Governments the industrialized west are just as likely to abuse the power to censor speach they don't like as they are anywhere else. We have allready seen the deportation (and subsequent torture) of anti-Gaddadi activists in the UK for example.

A better way forward would be to support people like this Cleric launches 'counter-terrorism' curriculum - BBC News

That is what I was referring to in education. The current education system in France and generally in Europe fails to deal with the subject of radicalism among the Muslim youth. As to using force I'm talking about people who will be convicted of incitement to radicalism by court, not just giving the government an authority to decide who fits the standards and who does not.
 
So really, what are you saying here? You support actions like this and you take far greater offense at people who object to acts like this than at people who do the killings?

Explaining the causes of terror attacks means condoning them? What planet did you learn your logic from? :doh

Terror attacks are a problem, if you want to solve that problem you need to find out whats causing it.

His extremely consistent pattern of defense whenever the subject arises will tell you the answer better than any he might muster by way of direct reply.
Ah, more sniping from the apartheid supporter, why am I not surprised? :roll:
 
this, pressurized cylinders , particularly for the 80-90% of mostly "inert" (not technically true) would be more dangerous as projectiles.

Now that you mention it, I have seen photos after a fire at a plant where gas cylinders were not ruptured, but were blown a consideable distance from their storage area.
 
Actually the French President just said it was a "terrorist attack". But on the other hand, it may just be a discontent.

Well he would say that, as he then can put in place even more draconian security measures. But something is not adding up on this attack.. hardly a public place, and the white flags with arabic writing is a strange one.. that is clearly either a very poorly educated radical or has nothing to do with radical Islam.
 
You mean Jumping the gun as in jumping the gun with typical knee jerk denial?

Yep, it only took one post.

No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.
 
I once worked as a temporary laborer at one of their plants (it could have been a smaller one). At that location, they sold, but did not produce commercial and consumer level quantities of welding gasses. On any given day, they had about 300 full cylinders of various welding gasses on hand and an equal number of empties.

Though this was enough for a boom, but I think it would have been harder to blow up the plant than one would think. The gasses were stored in seperate fire proof locations that did not join each other. Also, the cylinders themselves are very stout- a full time employee told me it took alot to rupture one. I believe the gasses also varied in potential explosive power.

In short, the jihaders were probably fantasizing about "Hiroshima on the Seine" when what they probably would have produced if they systematically attacked the plant would have been say, a "three batallion fire".

All you have to do is knock the valve off of one of the cylinders and you've got your basic rocket engine, which is why they have those guards. It could cause a lot of damage but probably not go boom. But I think you're right, this was not the first string.
 
Explaining the causes of terror attacks means condoning them? What planet did you learn your logic from? :doh

Terror attacks are a problem, if you want to solve that problem you need to find out whats causing it.


Ah, more sniping from the apartheid supporter, why am I not surprised? :roll:

A "problem"? Seriously? That's the worst you can say about it? So what do you object to more, the killings or the people upset about the killings. Which pisses you off more?
 
No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.

But we now know it wasn't 2 guys pissed at the company for some reason - it was 2 terrorists writing islamic sayings on a persons head then chopping it off and putting it on a gate as well as leaving ISIS flags in the area, of of the guys named Yassine Salhi.

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So it seems as though the initial reports were not jumping the gun but fairly accurate.
 
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