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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

What Gruber said is irrelevant, the people don't make laws, Congress does. I think you need to go back and take a civics class. :roll:

No, what Gruber said is accurate and supported by the liberal elite that has indoctrinated good people making them think with their hearts instead of their brain. You buy what you are told and totally ignore reality and the fact that lies have been told. You have no problem with another entitlement program because the 250 billion a year in debt service doesn't resonate with you nor does the reality of people seeing their premiums and deductibles go off the chart.
 
You have no idea what Obamacare is costing nor does the govt. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the reality. Why do you keep buying Obama lies?

Yes we do: CBO: Repeal of ACA would raise economic output (per dynamic scoring) - PNHP's Official Blog
Repealing it would increase the deficit by over $100 billion (over $300 billion if you don't use the highly controversial GOP-mandated "dynamic scoring").
Why can't you accept a reality that doesn't favor your prejudices?
 
It's not even close to being Constitutional, lol...

No rational, informed, honest person would conclude that it is Constitutional. Only corrupt, dishonest, activist jurists would approve it. Exhibit A: The SCOTUS. All 9 need to be impeached.

Talk is cheap; impeach them or deal with their decision. I applaud it!
 
Obamacare cost the Democrats Congress

Because of lies, distortions and better attack ads from GOPs and spineless DEMs running from their POTUS as GOPs did in 2006.
DEMs won't have that problem in 2016--as you saw today.

GOPs--who can run furthest to the right?
Can't wait to see Trump and nine other clowns on the Cleveland, OH stage August 6th .
 
Yes we do: CBO: Repeal of ACA would raise economic output (per dynamic scoring) - PNHP's Official Blog
Repealing it would increase the deficit by over $100 billion.
Why can't you accept a reality that doesn't favor your prejudices?

Please name for me one CBO Projection that has been accurate? Do you understand what CBO is and where they get their assumptions? Do you think CBO projected an 18.2 trillion dollar debt? Is there any point where the deficit gets too big for you and you start holding your Federal officials accountable for their spending?
 
Her only wants to impeach when he doesn't like their decision.
We didn't hear this with VRA, citizens united 1.0/2.0.
And you didn't hear DEMs whining about impeachment .

Talk is cheap; impeach them or deal with their decision. I applaud it!
 
Because of lies, distortions and better attack ads from GOPs and spineless DEMs running from their POTUS as GOPs did in 2006.

Actually I think it was a crushing recession that cost the party in power--as they always do.
 
Yeah. Because whereas Ronald Reagan barely knew how to run anything, having only been a multi-time governor and involved in national-level politics for decades. Rubio is a first term senator. And the last one of those who we hired to be President worked out just awesome.




I believe you need to re-read Jeremiah and Lamentations, and consider what the Divine Hand does to nations who reject Him.



:lol: we have liabilities of over $100 Trillion and we only own $85 Trillion worth of stuff. When was the last time America had a negative net value?



Oh yeah, and we're doing awesome at that.

Wait, wait, wait... no. No, we're not, because it's hard. Instead we are whining about being the only superpower in the world and trying to take our ball and go home.



Yup. We are brilliant at sharing funny pictures of cats and finding ways to sell advertising next to those pictures of cats. I do have to give us that.



Oh goody. Because if there is one thing I really want to brag on, it's American media.



No we aren't. We are absent on the world stage. We aren't interested in the world stage. We think the world stage is annoying, it's a bore, and besides, george bush, like, lied about saddam in order to invade us on 9/11, or something. The Navy is down to the smallest that it's been since World War One, and we're slashing the Air Force, Army, and Marines as well.

You have to have will to be dominant, and we don't have the will. Take a look at any one of our major opponents across the world and ask yourself between Iran, Russia, and China, which one of these nations' leadership really worries that America might come kick their butt in an expensive, bloody war, if they push us too much?



We are 10th on the list of debt to GDP. You want to know who has a lower debt than us? Canada. Want to know who has a debt even lower than theirs? Australia.

But that's just debt to GDP. Debt to GDP is only the beginning. When you compare our debt to how much we collect in revenue, we're literally right behind Greece. Then when you compare our unfunded liabilities to GDP.... :shrug:



Yup. See the point immediately above this one.



:shrug: true enough.

But you know who I would trade places with? Canada or Australia. Because they are more conservative than we are.



Sure. After all he's got good hair and he talks pretty - obviously he's going to be a brilliant administrator with qualifications like that :roll: He'll say the magic words to the Money Tree they keep behind the White House and all of a sudden we'll get 5% growth in GDP, the boomers will discover that they really did save a million dollars a piece for retirement and just forgot to report it, everyone will start marrying their childrens' other parent, and we'll pass entitlement reform allowing for privatized social security accounts to boot. The laws of mathematics will be suspended just for us because we think we're so special.

Wow you're really hung up on the national debt, aren't you? Here's a nice, funny cat video to cheer you up.




You know, the thing is, those government debt figures aren't as cut and dry as if it was your debt or my debt. "Debt," if you can even call it that, is the vehicle through which monetary supply is created with any fiat currency. We "borrow" money in to existence. The "debt" you see on the national debt clock is basically outstanding t-bills. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just a byproduct of the way in which the Fed manages the money supply.

It gets super confusing very quickly, though, and so I can understand how by just calling it "debt," that can scare a lot of people.

Basically, if we don't have inflation, we don't have a problem.



Anyways, as I was saying.... In the 80's and 90's, after we kicked Soviet butt and eliminated the threat of communism from the planet (you're welcome, world), we just went ahead and invented that little thing called the internet, and revolutionized the world economy for about the 5th time in the past century. Just America being America.

You're living in a tech age, brought to you by America. So watch the cat video and relax hombre!
 
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Because of lies, distortions and better attack ads from GOPs and spineless DEMs running from their POTUS as GOPs did in 2006.
DEMs won't have that problem in 2016--as you saw today.

GOPs--who can run furthest to the right?
Can't wait to see Trump and nine other clowns on the Cleveland, OH stage August 6th .

Just admit it, you are a liberal ideologue who doesn't have a clue about reality and results don't actually matter? You voted for a clown so not sure I would be talking about anyone else on the other side. One of these days you are going to wake up and wonder what happened as Democrats, the part of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, have no problem creating an entitlement mentality and destroying the economy that made this country great. When that happens it will be too late to say, "see I told you so"
 
So now YER all the way back to Social Security and FDR, eh Conservative ?

no, they didn't, Ted Kennedy proposed spending more than double what the final program actually cost.

Democrats and people like you have no concept of incentive and allowing people to decide what is best for them. Your one size fits all program like SS and Medicare are now trillions in debt but that doesn't bother you so you want another program just like them, Obamacare.
 

So what you post is opinions you want to pass off as fact. Do you understand the difference? Seems your own biases create situations where you buy opinions you want to believe. You don't understand CBO at all, do you? Name for me a CBO projection that has been accurate?
 
Just admit it, you are a liberal ideologue

I stopped reading at liberal ideologue, Conservative.
Do you believe this is the worst possible thing you can ever call a person ?
 
Good point. For five straight years the ACA has cost less than the CBO projections. Obamacare

When you're right, you're right!

Just goes to show how indoctrinated you are, when did Obamacare fully go into effect? You buy what you are told and ignore reality. You really need to do better research and stop posting opinions as fact. Obama has added 7.6 trillion to the debt, taxes increased to pay for Obamacare and the full impact hasn't even happened yet.
 
There is a perverse pleasure watching our right-wing friends post page after page of how this now settled law is somehow not a law just because they were sure the SCOTUS would rule in their favor. There must be some tear-soaked keyboards in the rooms of some of our most fundamental right wing nuts here at the DP.
 
I stopped reading at liberal ideologue, Conservative.
Do you believe this is the worst possible thing you can ever call a person ?

It should be based upon results but then again results don't matter to a liberal.
 
So now YER all the way back to Social Security and FDR, eh Conservative ?

Costs are costs, debt is debt but debt has to be paid for. Current costs are 250 billion per year at these record low interest rates. You have no problem spending in the name of compassion so how about some compassionate results. Wonder what that 250 billion could generate in actually helping people
 
Absolutely stunning at how indoctrinated so many people are in this country today, people who believe it is the Federal Governments responsibility to take over personal responsibility issues of individual Americans. Incredible how poorly informed people are in that most do not seem to understand where the money comes from to fund these programs nor do they seem to care if someone else pays for their personal responsibility issues. This country has far too many people that have been Gruberized.

When the GOP stands on repealing Medicare and SS and replacing it with nothing, I'll believe that nonsense. When the ACA passed, the GOP ran on scaring grandma that Obama was going to cut their Medicare to fund socialized medicine. Gruberized right wingers held signs, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare."

So lectures on being Gruberized by a "conservative" who votes for a party that defends socialized Medicine (Medicare) against another less socialized medical insurance program make me laugh.

FWIW, we pay plenty of taxes, and lots of it goes to stuff I don't like. That's life in an industrialized country. I'll deal with it. Tired of whiners living in a first world country and complaining that they have to pay taxes for the privilege. Boo hooo. :cry:
 
Actually I think it was a crushing recession that cost the party in power--as they always do.

The GOP had a flawless plan to take the House in 2010. (see the GOP architect who was interviewed by Maddow a few months ago)
Also, DEMs crushed themselves by not voting, just as they did in 1990--these two census mid-terms gave us this Gerry-Mandered House.
Dems have nobody to blame but themselves for not voting--which is why Clinton will NOT tack too far to the center.

In 2014, 33% of all voters voted--depressing the turnout has been a hallmark of the GOP since the days of Nixon.
And chicken-**** DEMs ran away from their POTUS and his economy--one that McConnell tried to take credit for after the fact early on this year .
 
There is a perverse pleasure watching our right-wing friends post page after page of how this now settled law is somehow not a law just because they were sure the SCOTUS would rule in their favor. There must be some tear-soaked keyboards in the rooms of some of our most fundamental right wing nuts here at the DP.

It's certainly not going to be overturned by the judiciary. ACA remains politically vulnerable because it was enacted on a party line basis. If the 2016 elections result in Repub control of House, Senate and White House then ACA could be an early casualty.
 
JasperL;1064755780]When the GOP stands on repealing Medicare and SS and replacing it with nothing, I'll believe that nonsense. When the ACA passed, the GOP ran on scaring grandma that Obama was going to cut their Medicare to fund socialized medicine. Gruberized right wingers held signs, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare."

No surprising rhetoric from the party that takes great pride in scaring seniors and the party that actually stole from SS and Medicare to fund things like the Vietnam War and other pet projects. There is a reason that these programs have trillions in unfunded liabilities. When will you hold your politicians accountable for spending the funds you contributed to SS?

So lectures on being Gruberized by a "conservative" who votes for a party that defends socialized Medicine (Medicare) against another less socialized medical insurance program make me laugh.

SS and Medicare are self funding programs, they are entitlement programs that allowed the Federal bureaucrats to have a slush fund. You have no problem giving them more money to waste

FWIW, we pay plenty of taxes, and lots of it goes to stuff I don't like. That's life in an industrialized country. I'll deal with it. Tired of whiners living in a first world country and complaining that they have to pay taxes for the privilege. Boo hooo. :cry:

no what is wrong in this country is people like you have no concept on the taxes you pay or their purpose. You bought into the unified budget thus unfunded liabilities aren't a problem for you. You buy what you are told and ignore actual results.
 
It's certainly not going to be overturned by the judiciary. ACA remains politically vulnerable because it was enacted on a party line basis. If the 2016 elections result in Repub control of House, Senate and White House then ACA could be an early casualty.

If...? I doubt you will see any of this happen.
 
The GOP had a flawless plan to take the House in 2010. (see the GOP architect who was interviewed by Maddow a few months ago)
Also, DEMs crushed themselves by not voting, just as they did in 1990--these two census mid-terms gave us this Gerry-Mandered House.
Dems have nobody to blame but themselves for not voting--which is why Clinton will NOT tack too far to the center.

In 2014, 33% of all voters voted--depressing the turnout has been a hallmark of the GOP since the days of Nixon.
And chicken-**** DEMs ran away from their POTUS and his economy--one that McConnell tried to take credit for after the fact early on this year .

Keep believing that liberal bs, low turnout, Obama isn't the problem/it is the GOP, it is the government's responsibility to take care of you. Yes, that is liberal rhetoric and we see the liberal results. when will you hold your party accountable for the terrible results the last 6 years?
 
You have no clue as to what you are posting or how to read the articles you claim support your point of view.

And yet you can't refute my claims.

>>there were 142 million working Americans when Obama took office and there are 148 million now

Employment fell to 138 million by the end of 2009, while the effects of the Great Recession, which resulted from tax cuts for the wealthy and an irresponsible deregulation of the financial sector, played through the labor market.

Over the past five years, private-sector employment has increased by 12.6 million to 122 million, while public-sector jobs have decreased by about two million.

>>there are 6.5 million part time employees now included in the employment number

There are 27.5 million part-time workers. The 6.5 million figure is working part-time for economic reasons. There were more than eight million of those when Bush43 left office.

Total part-time employment, which includes those who choose to work part-time, has been basically flat since a spike caused by the Great Recession. Other than that, it's pretty much followed the growth in the labor force for the past few decades, other than a spike in 1994. Dunno what that was about.

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Full-time employment under Obama has grown from 110.6 in Dec 2009 to 121.4 last month, up by 10.8 million.

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>>Stop making Gruber look brilliant

You make a clump of dirt look brilliant.
 
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