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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

Perhaps if the leeches don't go gaga over Hillary, the pubs retake the WH assuming they don't put up a RINO like the last two elections. If they also hold onto the house and senate, what do you think the chances are that this "decided law" stays that way?

Yah! And maybe we'll be back to the good ol' days and take away health insurance from 20 million Americans and it'll be GREAT!!!!
 
Because that's what we citizens decided was best for the nation, via our elected officials. It's the law. Confirmed by the Supreme Court. Several times.

Deal with it.

You " decided " wrong, so wrong.

Ever since it was passed Democrat Politicians and their supporters have been stuck in a endless loop of pro-ACA propaganda.

Well, there was a break in the propaganda right around the time Democrats wanted to get re-elected.

They just kept their mouths shut and refused to acknowledge that the ACA existed.

Allot of good it did. They still lost.
 
It's just another in a long string of abuses to the rule of law... another sad day in Amerika; another sad day for posterity.

The Constitution has been in tatters for years, but decisions like this just show how far gone our country is.

Not that I didn't know it was coming... very predictable. Collapse is coming within 15 years... writing is on the wall. Too bad most Amerikans are illiterate.
 
1. Congress created the law.
2. The President signed the law.
3. SCOTUS found the law Constitutiional TWICE

Yep, you own it. congratulations the indoctrination of the ignorant continues. Congress passed the law without on a partisan basis, Obama signed the law and as a result lost the House in 2010, didn't regain it in 2012, and the entire Congress in 2014. SCOTUS found the funding for the law constitutional not the fact that healthcare is a personal responsibility issue best handled by the states. MA figured it out, Hawaii figured it out, your state could do the same thing. My bet is you aren't enrolled in Obamacare thus have no credibility on the issue just like most here.
 
Even if Hillary wins, there are going to have to be changes.

The Obama lemmings haven't figured that out yet, and with the likely event of a Republican majority in congress, I would say Obama's version is headed for a toilet

Care to expand on that? The thing is, it's a three-legged stool. Remove one of the legs, it all topples.

--Everyone is covered. No exeptions for pre-existing conditions, etc.
--Everyone pays for their insurance. No free-loaders who jack up the costs for the rest of us.
--Subsidies for those who need help paying the premiums.

Those are the essentials. Everything else are add-ons.
 
Yah! And maybe we'll be back to the good ol' days and take away health insurance from 20 million Americans and it'll be GREAT!!!!
Better to take away from 6 million or, rather, no longer subsidize on other people's dime, than to compel 60 million to pay too much for something they don't need.
 
It is the left that is working to salvage unpopular and unconstitutional legislation through activist justices on the US Supreme Court. Justice Roberts went through mental gymanastics in an attempt to justify both of his decisions in both lawsuits in regards to Obamacare. And the only way to fix PPACA (so called) is to repeal it and replace it with something that is constitutional and works.

That is classic sour grapes. Yes, all those activist judges appointed by conservatives that are lying in wait to write liberal legislation. Forgive my laughter. I know its rude.

The reality is that if you bring a frivolous lawsuit, which this was, you get shot down 6 to 3, with the only 3 votes from activist justices. The only reason this went to the SOCTUS was so they could write a comprehensive decision to take away the idea that you could look to the courts to undo legislation. This is what they did: shut down the courts as a method of killing/hurting the PPACA.

Its time to work WITH the bill, as options to work against it are all but gone.
 
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Since my health care has never been paid for by the Feds, you'd be wrong about me.

And yes, the father of nullification John C. Calhoun would be rolling over in his grave.
Yet he was a strong central fed guy at one point in his life.

Not his father though--he refused to sign the Constitution that nullifiers now point to .

Right, you aren't involved in Obamacare yet you seem to know what is best for someone else. Give up your insurance and go with Obamacare. Walk the talk or accept the fact that you have zero credibility on the issue.

The Founders didn't believe in a strong central govt. but people like you have been indoctrinated into accepting the massive increase in the role of that federal govt. a role our Founders did not support. Our Founders had a part time legislature which tells what they felt about a strong central govt. They knew like many of us that power corrupts and this govt. has generated an 18.2 trillion dollar debt and you don't have any problem giving them more money to waste. Brilliant. There is no question who Gruber interviewed in making his claim about stupid Americans, most Obama supporters and big govt. liberals.
 
The plan now known as Obamacare, was founded in a conservative think tank, first proposed and articulated for law as the conservative alternative to "hillarycare" and finally implemented and field tested under the direction of a Republican governor. This was a frivolous lawsuit that was solely based on trying to take a few words out of context. While I agree that such a section was sloppy, we are blessed, in this case, that we have a SOCTUS that weighed substance over form.

Its time to move on, Cons. This continued wallowing in the best is rather unbecoming.



Stretch AND spin.

I guess all those speeches your messiah gave about designing it, the amendments HE made, we lies too.

The truth is the bare bones hybrid plan has been around a long time, laughed at even longer and was indeed the basis of the plan Obama claimed credit for. However, the fine points that line the pockets of the insurance companies are ALL his.

Remember when the lying prick tried to lie about "you can keep your plan" when he went to Boston to claim Romney was to blame. The American people, even MSNBC didn't believe that **** then, they don't believe it now, and no historian will ever claim it. But lie on. Its the way of the Democratic Party under Obama and Clinton, make every **** up about people who had no hand in it, when it doubt post some negative **** about Sarah Palin. Meanwhile the rest of the industrialized world is laughing all the way to the bank as the new global economy see the brightest and the best workers are choosing UHC over the Cadillac priced KIA Obama threw out
 
Since my health care has never been paid for by the Feds, you'd be wrong about me.

And yes, the father of nullification John C. Calhoun would be rolling over in his grave.
Yet he was a strong central fed guy at one point in his life.

Not his father though--he refused to sign the Constitution that nullifiers now point to .

Right, you aren't involved in Obamacare yet you seem to know what is best for someone else. Give up your insurance and go with Obamacare. Walk the talk or accept the fact that you have zero credibility on the issue.

The Founders didn't believe in a strong central govt. but people like you have been indoctrinated into accepting the massive increase in the role of that federal govt. a role our Founders did not support. Our Founders had a part time legislature which tells what they felt about a strong central govt. They knew like many of us that power corrupts and this govt. has generated an 18.2 trillion dollar debt and you don't have any problem giving them more money to waste. Brilliant. There is no question who Gruber interviewed in making his claim about stupid Americans, most Obama supporters and big govt. liberals.
 
1. Congress created the law.
2. The President signed the law.
3. SCOTUS found the law Constitutiional TWICE

It's not even close to being Constitutional, lol...

No rational, informed, honest person would conclude that it is Constitutional. Only corrupt, dishonest, activist jurists would approve it. Exhibit A: The SCOTUS. All 9 need to be impeached.
 
...at this point, the GOP can not ever repeal this without a well articulated REPLACE.
Since they will be unable to ever agree upon and articulate one, the PPACA is here to stay.

Did the Roberts/Kennedy Libertarian wing of the USSC just throw an electoral lifeline to the GOP--as they did with VRA and CU 1.0/2.0?
Surely they knew the GOP would explode apart with what to "REPLACE" ACA for millions.
Now, the GOP has their 2010/2014 issue intact without having to act .
 
you have yet to prove they are infallible. in fact I think you railed against citizens united and railed against hobby lobby.
so you evidently only think they are correct when they support your political bias vs the constitution.

I certainly did not rail against either decision after it was made. In fact, I stated that Hobby Lobby was a dumb battle to pick given how cheap generic birth control is.

please see the first amendment.

No they are not irrelevant. they are highly needed in cases of just blatant disrespect not only for the constitution but for the law.
I do support canadites that are trying to repeal it.

come 2016 I plan on voting for more people that plan to repeal it.

no because this country has had it with liberal failure since Obama took office. he will not suffer another democrat to lead this country into
another 8 years of stagnation and failure. if they do then they deserve all of it.

PS they SCOTUS is wrong. they got it wrong and they know they got it wrong. Roberts is a hack of a justice and should be disbarred and removed from the bench
along with all the other traitors on that bench.

So they are traitors because a majority wrote a ruling you, a laymen (most likely with a legal education consisting of partisan blogs and AM talk radio), disagrees with. Seems a bit histrionic to me.
 
I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that Republicans were happy to let people die for lack of health care. It's a sick chapter in American political life, and one Republicans should let fade away as quickly as possible.

Its a lie, shameful political rhetoric you have allowed yourself to fall for. Congrats.
 
It's not even close to being Constitutional, lol...

No rational, informed, honest person would conclude that it is Constitutional. Only corrupt, dishonest, activist jurists would approve it. Exhibit A: The SCOTUS. All 9 need to be impeached.

Are you saying the conservative SCOTUS is legislating from the bench?
 
Stretch AND spin.

I guess all those speeches your messiah gave about designing it, the amendments HE made, we lies too.

The truth is the bare bones hybrid plan has been around a long time, laughed at even longer and was indeed the basis of the plan Obama claimed credit for. However, the fine points that line the pockets of the insurance companies are ALL his.

Remember when the lying prick tried to lie about "you can keep your plan" when he went to Boston to claim Romney was to blame. The American people, even MSNBC didn't believe that **** then, they don't believe it now, and no historian will ever claim it. But lie on. Its the way of the Democratic Party under Obama and Clinton, make every **** up about people who had no hand in it, when it doubt post some negative **** about Sarah Palin. Meanwhile the rest of the industrialized world is laughing all the way to the bank as the new global economy see the brightest and the best workers are choosing UHC over the Cadillac priced KIA Obama threw out

I'll tell you what, I show you my evidence to support my position on this if you show me yours....

Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/j
The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Obamacare - ProCon.org
The irony of Republican disapproval of Obamacare - CSMonitor.com
Republicans fight Obamacare, but have similar idea - The BG News: Forum
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770
A Qualitative Analysis of the Heritage Foundation and Pauly Group Proposals to Restructure the Health Insurance System | Congressional Budget Office
Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ
Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
http://www.healthaffairs.org/healthpolicybriefs/brief_pdfs/healthpolicybrief_14.pdf
25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama | Mother Jones
Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News
 
That is classic sour grapes. Yes, all those activist judges appointed by conservatives that are lying in wait to write liberal legislation. Forgive my laughter. I know its rude.

The reality is that if you bring a frivolous lawsuit, which this was, you get shot down 6 to 3, with the only 3 votes from activist justices. The only reason this went to the SOCTUS was so they could write a comprehensive decision to take away the idea that you could look to the courts to undo legislation. This is what they did: shut down the courts as a method of killing/hurting the PPACA.

Its time to work WITH the bill, as options to work against it are all but gone.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is an activist justice? We have a govt. that is 18.2 trillion dollars in debt and you have no problem giving them more power and more money? Please name for me one, just one Federal Social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost? Better yet name for me just one economic prediction Obama has made that is accurate? You still buy the leftwing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told.
 
Care to expand on that? The thing is, it's a three-legged stool. Remove one of the legs, it all topples.

--Everyone is covered. No exeptions for pre-existing conditions, etc.
--Everyone pays for their insurance. No free-loaders who jack up the costs for the rest of us.
--Subsidies for those who need help paying the premiums.

Those are the essentials. Everything else are add-ons.

useless essentials, barely window dressing, and "fixing" problems by paying off insurance companies.

And that's the problem with the Obama swilling lemmings, you do not care that it is the worst plan on the planet, only that you can claim its better than before and better than Republicans can offer.
 
Right, you aren't involved in Obamacare yet you seem to know what is best for someone else.

And since I've never said this, I stopped reading here Conservative.
Fool me once with a lie, shame on you--fool me twice--not gonna get fooled again .
 
Stretch AND spin.

I guess all those speeches your messiah gave about designing it, the amendments HE made, we lies too.

The truth is the bare bones hybrid plan has been around a long time, laughed at even longer and was indeed the basis of the plan Obama claimed credit for. However, the fine points that line the pockets of the insurance companies are ALL his.

Remember when the lying prick tried to lie about "you can keep your plan" when he went to Boston to claim Romney was to blame. The American people, even MSNBC didn't believe that **** then, they don't believe it now, and no historian will ever claim it. But lie on. Its the way of the Democratic Party under Obama and Clinton, make every **** up about people who had no hand in it, when it doubt post some negative **** about Sarah Palin. Meanwhile the rest of the industrialized world is laughing all the way to the bank as the new global economy see the brightest and the best workers are choosing UHC over the Cadillac priced KIA Obama threw out



I'll tell you what, I show you my evidence to support my position on this if you show me yours....


Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/j
The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Obamacare - ProCon.org
The irony of Republican disapproval of Obamacare - CSMonitor.com
Republicans fight Obamacare, but have similar idea - The BG News: Forum
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770
A Qualitative Analysis of the Heritage Foundation and Pauly Group Proposals to Restructure the Health Insurance System | Congressional Budget Office
Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ
Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
http://www.healthaffairs.org/healthpolicybriefs/brief_pdfs/healthpolicybrief_14.pdf
25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama | Mother Jones
Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News

...and of course, just how similar was Obamacare to Romneycare? Twins separated at birth....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-his-health-care-bill-affected-far-smal/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/20/romney-care-massachusetts-healthcare-reform/
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/opinion/10fri4.html


BTW.... my messiah is THE Messiah. Obama is but a politician and a flawed human being like the rest of us...
 
And since I've never said this, I stopped reading here Conservative.
Fool me once with a lie, shame on you--fool me twice--not gonna get fooled again .

Do you or don't you have Obamacare?
 

Threads like this always bring out the entitlement supporters and people totally ignorant of history. You take opinion pieces out of context and pass them off as fact. Republicans support states' rights, you support a massive entitlement program totally ignoring the 18.2 trillion dollar debt and a private sector that has to pay for this debt. I thought you were a business person, guess I am wrong.
 
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is an activist justice? We have a govt. that is 18.2 trillion dollars in debt and you have no problem giving them more power and more money? Please name for me one, just one Federal Social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost? Better yet name for me just one economic prediction Obama has made that is accurate? You still buy the leftwing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told.

No more than you buy the right-wing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told....

Now, do you suppose you could elevate your debate beyond 3rd grade playground tactics?
 
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I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that Republicans were happy to let people die for lack of health care. It's a sick chapter in American political life, and one Republicans should let fade away as quickly as possible.

Ooh, ooh, ooh

"let people die" Wonderful rhetoric, makes the heart race. Anything to score a political point.

Well, it seems the Clintons were willing to "let people die' for eight years when Hillary bitched it with typical incompetence.

And when Canada was adopting universal health care in the 60's, the Democrats were not only willing to let people die, but send them to war to be killed, but only poor people. And then there was Jimmy Carter who "let people die" with no insurance as well as let Americans rot in Tehran.

You see, rhetoric for shock value works to ways. As Obama promised "you can keep you plan" 25 million people were losing their coverage, and potentially sent to their death by Obamacare.

See how that works?

Obama let people die too!
 
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