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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

And of course, that will never come to pass. ('fortunately' or 'unfortunately', depending upon one's P.O.V.)

I had a very savvy Grammar School teacher, a Polish nun that lived through the Third Reich and later immigrated to America - and at a very young age, in our U.S. history class, she beat into our heads that the most import legacy of a U.S. President is his Supreme Court nominations.

It took me until adulthood to realize just how right she was.


Heya Chomsky. :2wave: Well.....we don't have to let Roberts walk around in public and his life can be made difficult for him. Like he has done so for millions of others.

Do you think things can be made so difficult for him and his family that he would resign willingly?
 
Hey, I can't help but notice your graph doesn't go back to before unemployment started rising?

Gallup is, to my knowledge, the only source for regular updates on the uninsured rate, and they didn't start this survey until 2008. I just looked for graphs going back further and didn't find any. You're welcome to find another source, though!
 
Awful, they have to own this?

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Congratulations!

After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century, you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

30% more than the population of Canada, all of whom have coverage.

I recall when the debate started, Obama claiming there were 35 million uninsured. What happened?
 
That's fine. But the 17% is integrally related to the 83%. For every business in that 83%, access to and affordability of healthcare is a major, major operational issue. Small startups especially.

I have to agree. The mess Democrats made covers lots of ground. However, the are many things within the 83% of the economy Democrats ignored that are more important than Obamacare.

Broadening the tax base by improving the economics of the economy is vital. I'm pushing for that effort, rather than getting Democrats off the hook for their Obamacare mess.
 
Congratulations, Liberals, you got your wish, you get your personal healthcare paid for by the producers in this country. The least you can do is say thank you. Love seeing my tax dollars going to people who are overweight, drinkers, druggies, and in general never take care of themselves. What a great country!!

Yea, well I worked my 40 years so you're welcome.
 
The point that everyone is missing here is process. We have one, there is remedy, and that is repair the legislation which should be a Congressional matter. It is not the job of the Supreme Court to rectify by replacement failed legislative crafting, but that is what happened here today. The dissent is right, the meaning of words and the purpose of the courts has been removed for politics. Intention does matter, but the argument for the intention directly conflicts with the ACA wording. In multiple places, you cannot discount that.

And I did read all of the decision, and all of the dissent.

If we're honest, whether the dissent or the majority was "right" is probably about 90% correlated with our view on our support or opposition to the law.

But the bottom line is the dissent and you are arguing that Congress intended a result, on one of the biggest provisions in the bill, that received no debate in Congress - not one second - and that no one, including the states when they decided whether or not to establish exchanges, even knew about.

So Scalia is arguing Congress intended to write the language in such a way so as to not even put the states on notice that their decision to establish or not an exchange determined whether or not their residents got credits. I don't know how anyone can believe that.
 
Congratulations!

After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century, you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

30% more than the population of Canada, all of whom have coverage.

I recall when the debate started, Obama claiming there were 35 million uninsured. What happened?


He wanted to remain consistent....................................With his lying.

Which is why more now, will be without insurance.
 
Yes, Roberts has been a pleasant surprise.

Yep, his decisions have led to some very entertaining Mid-term results.

He's keeping the Albatross alive and that means we get to look forward to another election cycle of Democrats avoiding ObamaCare like the plague....and then losing.

Hey, remember when the Democrats were going to turn Texas " Blue " ??

Lol ! We added more GOP seats. We're Redder than we were before.
 
not according to the administration. it was a tax penalty they even went as far as standing up and saying that it wasn't a tax.
yep they did and more will lose it as soon as the employor mandate goes into effect.

they don't have to have a plan. things could have continued the way they were.

And they way it was was so good?

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Wrong.

There's been stories all over the net for months and months about high premiums and deductibles. Just Google 'Obamacare high deductibles high premiums' .
You know, even though my research indicates the ACA is working by my seeing many of the major stats seemingly trending in the right direction (if "costs rising less quickly" can be considered a 'trend in the right direction'), but I'm fully in agreement with you that the premiums & deductible are still too high for many, if not most, middle class families.

However, I must make exception to your suggestion in support of your argument: "Just Google 'Obamacare high deductibles high premiums" .

Because quite honestly, I can Google "Sightings of BigFoot" (I just did), and find tons of positive corroborating sources - but he hasn't showed-up in my back-yard yet! :mrgreen:
 
Congratulations, Liberals, you got your wish, you get your personal healthcare paid for by the producers in this country. The least you can do is say thank you. Love seeing my tax dollars going to people who are overweight, drinkers, druggies, and in general never take care of themselves. What a great country!!

you are more than welcome to leave it

somalia would seem to be a place where you would have no such 'problems'
 
Awful, they have to own this?

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Being insured and being able to afford treatment are two separate things. That is why disapproval remains high.

If people can't use it or don't like it it doesn't matter how free it is.
 
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That's fine. But the 17% is integrally related to the 83%. For every business in that 83%, access to and affordability of healthcare is a major, major operational issue. Small startups especially.

which is why we should detach healthcare coverage from the workplace
 
He wanted to remain consistent....................................With his lying.

Which is why more now, will be without insurance.

Some time ago there was a congressional budget office report that stated that at the end of this decade, 2019, the US will still have 50 million people uninsured, mostly middle class.

You know, that's the population of Canada, and New Zealand combined with enough left over to import California.

Good job America! YOu are now the worst health care nation in the industrialized world!
 
Yea, well I worked my 40 years so you're welcome.

That's okay around here, there are like 12 to your every one.....that didn't. Did you want to stick up for them? Tell more to not to work....don't worry can still get BO care.
 
Congratulations!

After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century, you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

30% more than the population of Canada, all of whom have coverage.

I recall when the debate started, Obama claiming there were 35 million uninsured. What happened?
I think this is what the liberals / progressives call a successful program. Ticks all the right boxes:

  • Accomplishes nothing it claims to do, nothing it was sold to the electorate as
  • Increase costs on those that work
  • Gives away stuff to those who don't
  • Puts government more in control of it, determining winners and losers
  • Redistributes wealth from those who work for it to those that don't
  • Guts the middle class

He wanted to remain consistent....................................With his lying.

Which is why more now, will be without insurance.

Yep. Pretty much.

On the the "Accomplishes nothing it claims to do, nothing it was sold to the electorate as", you can count Dodd-Frank in that as well, 'cause it was sold on ending 'Too big to fail' and yet, it's cause little else beyond hastening bank mergers into too big to fail.

Yeah, a real 'win' there for the hard working electorate.
 
I have to agree. The mess Democrats made covers lots of ground. However, the are many things within the 83% of the economy Democrats ignored that are more important than Obamacare.

Broadening the tax base by improving the economics of the economy is vital. I'm pushing for that effort, rather than getting Democrats off the hook for their Obamacare mess.

Instead Obama and cronies are reducing the tax base.

Now there's genius
 
Some time ago there was a congressional budget office report that stated that at the end of this decade, 2019, the US will still have 50 million people uninsured, mostly middle class.

You know, that's the population of Canada, and New Zealand combined with enough left over to import California.

Good job America! YOu are now the worst health care nation in the industrialized world!

correction: we continue to have the worst health care in the industrialized world

but it is better now than before Obamacare

it was the well intended but ill advised effort to compromise with a republican approach that cost us single-payer healthcare
 
Congratulations!

After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century, you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

30% more than the population of Canada, all of whom have coverage.

I recall when the debate started, Obama claiming there were 35 million uninsured. What happened?

So your complaint is we didn't get Canada style universal socialized medicine. I agree! Although I'm not sure the Canada model is the best single payer option out there, but it's a helluva lot better than what we had or the ACA, that's for sure.

What's hilarious is the conservatives liking that complaint...

BTW, I don't have a clue where any of those numbers are coming from. I do know they're not close to right. 45 million, 12% uninsured implies an adult pop of 378 million and our total is about 318, and 23% are under 18. And the ACA reduced the uninsured by about 10 million, when that number had been going up for the decade prior.
 
Jonathan Gruber even explained WHY the Bill was written that way.

Unsubstantiated. More Fentonian bull****, I expect.

The poor can't even afford the premiums with the subsidies and are still using the emergency rooms through Medicaid to seek treatment. Medicaid only pays a fraction of the cost due to healthcare providers. So those who can afford the premiums are paying more for medical services to compensate. The rich can afford the premiums and higher healthcare costs. The middle class not so much.

Same thing. Just story-telling. Zero evidence.

Roberts is a hack that should be removed a this point. him and the rest of them should be arrested and removed from the bench

Sounds good. Maybe we can get a beer hall putsch going.

Logic fail.

One of yer more convincing arguments.

Hey, I can't help but notice your graph doesn't go back to before unemployment started rising?

Hey, it goes back to 2008. When do you think "unemployment started rising"?

After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century

After six years of conflict and divisiveness based on irresponsible, right-wing temper tantrums, …

>>you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

According to what?

New federal data released Tuesday reveal that 36 million people in the United States were uninsured in 2014. That number marks a significant drop from the 48.6 million Americans without insurance in 2010, the year the Affordable Care Act was signed into law.

The new data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) are based on interviews with 111,682 people. The findings show that the number of uninsured Americans of all ages dropped to 36 million in 2014 from 44.8 million in 2013. "That's pretty sharp," says study author Robin A. Cohen, a statistician at the NCHS.

"This is another set of data tracking what I think has become a pretty broad consensus that the Affordable Care Act is having a significant impact on reducing uninsurance," says Sabrina Corlette, a senior research fellow and project director at the Center for Health Insurance Reforms at Georgetown University (who was not involved with the research.) — "The Number of Uninsured Americans Continues to Drop," Time, June 23, 2015​


Here's a report on another survey: "America's Uninsured Rate Is Down To 10% - And Falling," Forbes, June 16, 2015
 
which is why we should detach healthcare coverage from the workplace
I'm with you, justabubba -

An employment based healthcare system is asinine!

As I commented before: "In severe recession (like 2009), the rest of the civilized world suffers an economic crisis - but we suffer an economic crisis AND a healthcare crisis"!

Why?

And in other terms: Why would we want to stifle entrepreneurship by having employees unable to risk new ventures due to putting their families in jeopardy by lacking healthcare?

It's nonsense.
 
correction: we continue to have the worst health care in the industrialized world

but it is better now than before Obamacare

it was the well intended but ill advised effort to compromise with a republican approach that cost us single-payer healthcare

:lamo

You see, that is the reason why I don't want to see Republicans touch Obamacare. This meme about "republican approach" has been used for years to try to avoid blame for the mess Democrats caused through their unilateral actions.

If Republicans were to take up any Obamacare issues, they would then own the entire effort.

It's best to let the spotlight shine on the best effort of the Democrats who unilaterally own Obamacare.
 
correction: we continue to have the worst health care in the industrialized world

but it is better now than before Obamacare

it was the well intended but ill advised effort to compromise with a republican approach that cost us single-payer healthcare

Bull****. Discounts Obama's closed door meetings with insurance execs and promising the act would not include single payer well BEFORE any congressional debate.
 
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