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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

minnie616 said:
I posted the link of the health care plan in which than Senator Obama was promoting as saving a family about $2500 and included a public option which was buy in to a medicare type plan.

One the public option was toast so was savings...at least until we reach medicare age.

The public option would have brought costs down.

Medicare is a big savings over regular for profit health care plans.
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Why do you keep referring to Senator Obama instead of president Obama? It was president Obama making that claim about the plan we now have, and there was no qualifier attached.
 
Anthony60 said:
Why do you keep referring to Senator Obama instead of president Obama? It was president Obama making that claim about the plan we now have, and there was no qualifier attached.
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I think you are mistaken.
I cannot any mention of the savings after he became president.
If you have prove of him saying that after he was elected , please post the link.
 
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minnie616 said:
The Obama meter is campaign promises before election.
Public option is not a single payer program.
It is a buy in to non/ very low profit medicare type option

It mentions Universal Health Care Plan which was to include the public option.
I posted his campaign plan.
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Look I understand your support for ACA but the reality is we could have done much better than what we are getting and soon you are going to realize it but then it will be too late.
 
Conservative said:
Look I understand your support for ACA but the reality is we could have done much better than what we are getting and soon you are going to realize it but then it will be too late.
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"Could have done"? I don't know how much you've really read into it, but as long as we had that mostly-unregulated industry, they had plenty of chances to do the right thing and make things "much better".

But they didn't, did they?

NOW, more Americans have health insurance then ever before, and the prices of the premiums are rising significantly more slowly than before the ACA was passed.

Y'all call that tyranny. We call it a resounding success.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
"Could have done"? I don't know how much you've really read into it, but as long as we had that mostly-unregulated industry, they had plenty of chances to do the right thing and make things "much better".

But they didn't, did they?

NOW, more Americans have health insurance then ever before, and the prices of the premiums are rising significantly more slowly than before the ACA was passed.

Y'all call that tyranny. We call it a resounding success.
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What liberals do is create a problem and then a govt. solution to the problem a solution that never solves the problem. Being a progressive makes you a socialist and this country wasn't built on socialism. We have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt today so tell me how big does the debt have to become before you say enough?

Coverage doesn't mean quality and coverage doesn't mean lower costs but you continue to buy what the left tells you
 
Glen Contrarian said:
"Could have done"? I don't know how much you've really read into it, but as long as we had that mostly-unregulated industry, they had plenty of chances to do the right thing and make things "much better".

But they didn't, did they?

NOW, more Americans have health insurance then ever before, and the prices of the premiums are rising significantly more slowly than before the ACA was passed.

Y'all call that tyranny. We call it a resounding success.
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A resounding success to you is a massive central govt. taking over all states' rights issues. It does seem that people who support government taking over personal responsibility issues are unable to compete in society.
 
Conservative said:
What liberals do is create a problem and then a govt. solution to the problem a solution that never solves the problem. Being a progressive makes you a socialist and this country wasn't built on socialism. We have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt today so tell me how big does the debt have to become before you say enough?

Coverage doesn't mean quality and coverage doesn't mean lower costs but you continue to buy what the left tells you
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Awwweee Conservative. You were actually making an argument. Then you had to go screw it all up with your usual... "herp derp... librulz do this... herp derp".

*protip: when you do that it is abundantly clear you've gotten in over your head and have resorted to your usual generalized tossing of the "kitchen sink" approach.
 
poweRob said:
Awwweee Conservative. You were actually making an argument. Then you had to go screw it all up with your usual... "herp derp... librulz do this... herp derp".

*protip: when you do that it is abundantly clear you've gotten in over your head and have resorted to your usual generalized tossing of the "kitchen sink" approach.
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Ok, since I am making up the problem, please show me the healthcare problem in this country today on the budget of the United States. What line item would that be under? hint, it isn't the states and local communities pay those healthcare costs for the uninsured.

The Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances Current Report Page Has Moved
 
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Conservative said:
What liberals do is create a problem and then a govt. solution to the problem a solution that never solves the problem. Being a progressive makes you a socialist and this country wasn't built on socialism. We have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt today so tell me how big does the debt have to become before you say enough?

Coverage doesn't mean quality and coverage doesn't mean lower costs but you continue to buy what the left tells you
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You really are that young, aren't you? Because you see that number and that number alone, and apparently choose to forget - if you ever indeed knew - that when Clinton handed the keys to the White House, the budget surplus was such that we were on track to pay it off by 2012.

Clinton took over in a recession - and did very well indeed.

Obama took over in the midst of the Great Recession - and we're now in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in American history.

Y'all screw things up - and we come in and fix them. That's just the way it is.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
"Could have done"? I don't know how much you've really read into it, but as long as we had that mostly-unregulated industry, they had plenty of chances to do the right thing and make things "much better".

But they didn't, did they?

NOW, more Americans have health insurance then ever before, and the prices of the premiums are rising significantly more slowly than before the ACA was passed.

Y'all call that tyranny. We call it a resounding success.
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So all you ACA cheerleaders who buy the liberal rhetoric and tell us how bad the healthcare costs are in this country please show me the line item where those costs exist in the budget of the United States? Now put up or shut up

The Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances Current Report Page Has Moved
 
Glen Contrarian said:
You really are that young, aren't you? Because you see that number and that number alone, and apparently choose to forget - if you ever indeed knew - that when Clinton handed the keys to the White House, the budget surplus was such that we were on track to pay it off by 2012.

Clinton took over in a recession - and did very well indeed.

Obama took over in the midst of the Great Recession - and we're now in the longest streak of private-sector job growth in American history.

Y'all screw things up - and we come in and fix them. That's just the way it is.
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Yeah, I am extremely young, will turn 69 in November. Please show me the recession that Clinton inherited?

Obama was in the Congress that did nothing to prevent what you call the Great recession however every recession is called the Great Recession.

Glen, I can beat you to death all day with facts and data.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/great-recession-a-brief-etymology/?_r=0

What you and others totally ignore are the economic policies of Obama that created the very poor economic numbers and recovery from that so called Great Recession. That great recession ended in June 2009 yet the recovery is slow and numbers remain poor. you attribute it to the recession whereas most people attribute the poor recovery to poor economic policies and poor leadership or no leadership at all.
 
Conservative said:
A resounding success to you is a massive central govt. taking over all states' rights issues. It does seem that people who support government taking over personal responsibility issues are unable to compete in society.
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States rights, states rights, blah blah blah. Guy, when the preservation of the conservative "states rights" results in more poverty, higher violent crime rates, and lower percentages of health care coverage for the people of those states, maybe you better take a look and find out if your precious "states rights" are really good for the people.

Besides - which is more important - the states? Or the populations of those states?
 
Conservative said:
Yeah, I am extremely young, will turn 69 in November. Please show me the recession that Clinton inherited?

Obama was in the Congress that did nothing to prevent what you call the Great recession however every recession is called the Great Recession.

Glen, I can beat you to death all day with facts and data.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/great-recession-a-brief-etymology/?_r=0

What you and others totally ignore are the economic policies of Obama that created the very poor economic numbers and recovery from that so called Great Recession. That great recession ended in June 2009 yet the recovery is slow and numbers remain poor. you attribute it to the recession whereas most people attribute the poor recovery to poor economic policies and poor leadership or no leadership at all.
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Well, you're a bit over a decade older than me, so that means that you made a deliberate choice to ignore the fact that y'all screw it up, and we come in and fix it.

And 'scuse you, but do you happen to remember how hard the Republicans fought every little damn thing that Obama tried to do? Instead of having a proper stimulus, the Fed has had to do it with easy money since the GOP doesn't want to help the nations economy recover.

I don't know if you're former military, but if you are, then you know as well as I do that a watchstander's supposed to leave his watchstation in better condition than he found it. Reagan did, and - to an extent - so did Bush 41. Clinton sure as heck did. Bush 43 was a freaking disaster. And Obama's well on his way to having stood a successful watch...because the country's in a heck of a lot better off than it was when he first assumed the watch.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
States rights, states rights, blah blah blah. Guy, when the preservation of the conservative "states rights" results in more poverty, higher violent crime rates, and lower percentages of health care coverage for the people of those states, maybe you better take a look and find out if your precious "states rights" are really good for the people.

Besides - which is more important - the states? Or the populations of those states?
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Amazing isn't it that people in this country can easily go from state to state, move with total freedom yet according to you they live in poverty, violent crime, and no healthcare? Does personal responsibility exist in your world?

You have no idea what our Founders created when they put the power in the states not the central govt. Think it is easier to change state or national policies? Does logic and common sense exist with you

Only a true liberal accepts the 18.2 trillion dollar debt, ignores it and just piles on more by creating more entitlement programs that only give the bureaucrats more money to spend.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Well, you're a bit over a decade older than me, so that means that you made a deliberate choice to ignore the fact that y'all screw it up, and we come in and fix it.

And 'scuse you, but do you happen to remember how hard the Republicans fought every little damn thing that Obama tried to do? Instead of having a proper stimulus, the Fed has had to do it with easy money since the GOP doesn't want to help the nations economy recover.

I don't know if you're former military, but if you are, then you know as well as I do that a watchstander's supposed to leave his watchstation in better condition than he found it. Reagan did, and - to an extent - so did Bush 41. Clinton sure as heck did. Bush 43 was a freaking disaster. And Obama's well on his way to having stood a successful watch...because the country's in a heck of a lot better off than it was when he first assumed the watch.
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No, I don't ignore the screw up, which is what you are proposing, a massive central govt. and another entitlement program. what I wrong with people like you? This is insane, doing the same things over and over again expecting different results.

Success to a liberal is Obama, to realists and actual Americans he is a disaster. You have a very selective memory and no understanding of leadership at all. How many times did Obama meet with Republicans to discuss important issues like the stimulus? The stimulus failed so what did he do, propose and sign ACA
 
Conservative said:
Amazing isn't it that people in this country can easily go from state to state, move with total freedom yet according to you they live in poverty, violent crime, and no healthcare? Does personal responsibility exist in your world?

You have no idea what our Founders created when they put the power in the states not the central govt. Think it is easier to change state or national policies? Does logic and common sense exist with you

Only a true liberal accepts the 18.2 trillion dollar debt, ignores it and just piles on more by creating more entitlement programs that only give the bureaucrats more money to spend.
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But aren't we a nation first and foremost?
 
Conservative said:
No, I don't ignore the screw up, which is what you are proposing, a massive central govt. and another entitlement program. what I wrong with people like you? This is insane, doing the same things over and over again expecting different results.

Success to a liberal is Obama, to realists and actual Americans he is a disaster. You have a very selective memory and no understanding of leadership at all. How many times did Obama meet with Republicans to discuss important issues like the stimulus? The stimulus failed so what did he do, propose and sign ACA
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The stimulus failed? Then you need to google "bikini graph" and see what that says.

And he tried doggone hard to get the Republicans on board, but they would not meet with him. Remember, the night before his inauguration, the Republican leadership had a meeting and decided to try their best to block everything, absolutely everything Obama tried to do...which means that it didn't matter how hard Obama tried to work with them, they refused to work with him AT ALL. PERIOD.

That, sir, is NOT American. This nation's government was designed to work with COMPROMISE...but 'compromise' is now an unforgivable sin among conservatives. So don't tell me about "real" Americans...'cause y'all are refusing to BE real Americans when you refuse to work with the other side at all.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The stimulus failed? Then you need to google "bikini graph" and see what that says.

And he tried doggone hard to get the Republicans on board, but they would not meet with him. Remember, the night before his inauguration, the Republican leadership had a meeting and decided to try their best to block everything, absolutely everything Obama tried to do...which means that it didn't matter how hard Obama tried to work with them, they refused to work with him AT ALL. PERIOD.

That, sir, is NOT American. This nation's government was designed to work with COMPROMISE...but 'compromise' is now an unforgivable sin among conservatives. So don't tell me about "real" Americans...'cause y'all are refusing to BE real Americans when you refuse to work with the other side at all.
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I can see the problem with liberals, low expectations especially with a Democrat in the WH. When Obama took office there were 142 million Americans employed, two years later and after 842 billion dollars there were 139 million Americans employed. That is a success to you? Don't give a damn about graphs, I care about reality. It does appear that die hard liberals are indoctrinated to ignore actual results. Compromise to a liberal is giving them whatever they want.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
"Could have done"? I don't know how much you've really read into it, but as long as we had that mostly-unregulated industry, they had plenty of chances to do the right thing and make things "much better".

But they didn't, did they?

NOW, more Americans have health insurance then ever before, and the prices of the premiums are rising significantly more slowly than before the ACA was passed.

Y'all call that tyranny. We call it a resounding success.
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Glen Contrarian said:
"Could have done"? I don't know how much you've really read into it, but as long as we had that mostly-unregulated industry, they had plenty of chances to do the right thing and make things "much better".

But they didn't, did they?

NOW, more Americans have health insurance then ever before, and the prices of the premiums are rising significantly more slowly than before the ACA was passed.

Y'all call that tyranny. We call it a resounding success.
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A " resounding success " ? Lol !

If Healthcare was so unaffordable back in 2009 ( why we needed a Healthcare law apparently ) how is it MORE affordable now that premiums and out of pocket expenses have gone up ?

How is ObamaCare a " resounding success " when every Democrat in the 2014 elections did every thing they could NOT to acknowledge its existence ?

And they still got creamed.

No its a disaster.

And I look forward to Democrats in 2016 avoiding the issue like their lives depended on it
 
Fenton said:
A " resounding success " ? Lol !

If Healthcare was so unaffordable back in 2009 ( why we needed a Healthcare law apparently ) how is it MORE affordable now that premiums and out of pocket expenses have gone up ?

How is ObamaCare a " resounding success " when every Democrat in the 2014 elections did every thing they could NOT to acknowledge its existence ?

And they still got creamed.

No its a disaster.

And I look forward to Democrats in 2016 avoiding the issue like their lives depended on it
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What these people do is take the leftwing rhetoric and run with it ignoring the actual budget items of the United States as they are unable to point to the line item showing those outrageous expenses they claim. Know why? Because healthcare costs are borne by the state and local communities, at least most of them thus making it a state issue and that being the case up to the people of the state to implement a program like MA did. But no, liberals make a mountain out of a mole hill just to make another federal entitlement program giving the govt. more power and more money to spend.
 
Come on ACA supporters, you are claiming that ACA has lowered healthcare costs so it shouldn't be a problem for you to post the line item in the budget reduced by the amount you claim it has saved? You buy a projected budget and projected savings as actual savings so where are those actual savings on the bottom line of the U.S. Budget?

The Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances Current Report Page Has Moved

Then there is the issue of that so called Clinton surplus

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
 
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