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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

So just to be clear, you do not, have not, will not, purchase insurance, med or auto.....since insurance is the creation of risk pools where you do not actually fund in total your own costs.

I pay for my own healthcare, if I cannot pay for it I work with either charities, local services including many free clinics and don't need another federal bureaucracy to "help" me. Welcome back seagull.
 
I pay for my own healthcare, if I cannot pay for it I work with either charities, local services including many free clinics and don't need another federal bureaucracy to "help" me. Welcome back seagull.
I see, so that is "No, I have never nor will I ever buy HI".

So again, just to be clear, you also have never nor will you ever purchase auto insurance?
 
I see, so that is "No, I have never nor will I ever buy HI".

So again, just to be clear, you also have never nor will you ever purchase auto insurance?

I choose to drive and buy auto insurance as protection against other drivers like you. Millions of Americans choose not to drive and thus don't have auto insurance. Millions of other Americans can afford their own health insurance costs and choose not to buy health insurance. You have no problem having the govt. mandate the purchase vs. being held responsible for not having insurance and losing their assets because of poor decision making. Big govt. liberals like you are very naïve.
 
I choose to drive and buy auto insurance as protection against other drivers like you. Millions of Americans choose not to drive and thus don't have auto insurance. Millions of other Americans can afford their own health insurance costs and choose not to buy health insurance. You have no problem having the govt. mandate the purchase vs. being held responsible for not having insurance and losing their assets because of poor decision making. Big govt. liberals like you are very naïve.

Plus, government is not in the business of subsidizing auto insurance premiums with money it takes from others, so the comparison is invalid in the first place.
 
I choose to drive and buy auto insurance as protection against other drivers like you.
So not only do you participate in risk pools, which is not "fully funding" your own risk, you participate in MANDATED risk pools to boot.

And earlier I asked if you purchase into a medical risk pool (aka insurance where the costs are distributed), you claimed you "paid for your own HC", implying you do not participate in medical risk pools....but then I find that in fact you do have health insurance:

You sir and I have a different opinion as to what works. To you getting paid and having everyone insured is working. Mine is being denied my doctor and my insurance company because of ACA and mine is the cost associated with what I have to spend and who I am spending more on.

You don't seem to comprehend personal responsibility at all and thus have no problem taking money from me to pay you for your services.

What part of me being forced to contribute to Medicare for decades and then expecting something in return do you not understand? I paid for my insurance coverage that I am getting today again something you don't understand.


So, the point is, you don't actually fully fund your own care, you participate in a risk pool to avoid full costs.
 
Plus, government is not in the business of subsidizing auto insurance premiums with money it takes from others, so the comparison is invalid in the first place.
That wasn't the point, the point was that supposedly he does not depend on risk pools (other people funding your coverage when it outstrips your capital), he supposedly fully funds his own health care.
 
So not only do you participate in risk pools, which is not "fully funding" your own risk, you participate in MANDATED risk pools to boot.

And earlier I asked if you purchase into a medical risk pool (aka insurance where the costs are distributed), you claimed you "paid for your own HC", implying you do not participate in medical risk pools....but then I find that in fact you do have health insurance:




So, the point is, you don't actually fully fund your own care, you participate in a risk pool to avoid full costs.

Of course I participate in risk pools for that is what insurance is. Forgot who I was dealing with here, what a waste of time. Healthcare is available through most states now either Medicaid which many don't even know they are qualified for or many other state and local programs showing once again as a liberal you want to spoon food others, be the nanny for them when all you are really doing is giving federal bureaucrats more control and more money.
 
Of course I participate in risk pools for that is what insurance is.
So then you admit that you do not "fully fund" your health care, since insurance is a means to mitigate the full costs.
 
So then you admit that you do not "fully fund" your health care, since insurance is a means to mitigate the full costs.

When I stated that I paid for my own healthcare I obviously meant my own insurance. I pay the premiums and don't expect you to send me your tax dollars to supplement me.
 
Healthcare is available through most states now either Medicaid which many don't even know they are qualified for or many other state and local programs showing once again as a liberal you want to spoon food others, be the nanny for them when all you are really doing is giving federal bureaucrats more control and more money.
Hold on there, a moment ago you were chiding folks for not fully funding their own care, now you are making complaints about their not utilizing those services.

sounds like double talk to me.
 
Why else would the Dem's have to start a race war? Motivate their African-American voting block. Failing that, and they are done for.

Which is why they are pushing the confederate flag issue. They want racial tension during the 2016 campaign season. The attempt to play the so they race card over voter ID bills in the 2014 election did not work out so they are trying a different tactic. They feel that racial tensions are the only possible way they will keep the same level of African Americans voters going to the polls as did in 2008 and 2012. Look for them to try to keep the flag flap going all the way into November 2016.
 
When I stated that I paid for my own healthcare I obviously meant my own insurance. I pay the premiums and don't expect you to send me your tax dollars to supplement me.
No, you just expect others to fully fund your medical costs when those costs exceed your premium.
 
Why do some Americans seem to care little about the many ways inadequate healthcare affects the entire society?

The United States health care system is the most expensive in the world, but this report and prior editions consistently show the U.S. underperforms relative to other countries on most dimensions of performance. Among the 11 nations studied in this report—Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States—the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions of Mirror, Mirror. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency, and equity.

Paul Ryan, the guy who is supposed to be developing the GOP's alternative to Obamacare, failed yet once again to answer the question, "What is the alternative?" when asked on today's Face the Nation broadcast. He talked about "alternative plans" but for some reason no one in the GOP has really offered up anything other than the motto, "Repeal and Replace".

Last week on Fox News, Ryan was also unable to answer Chris Wallace's questions in regards to a Republican alternative.

For those who really, really hate the "socialistic" Obamacare system - what's your alternative? I will make a wild guess that some of the more Libertarian types think there should be zero government involvement in healthcare, "If you can't pay for it, DIE! Not my problem", because obviously the corporate types who run America's health insurance companies would never, ever do anything that would actually cause people to die, now would they? :roll:
 
Last week on Fox News, Ryan was also unable to answer Chris Wallace's questions in regards to a Republican alternative.

For those who really, really hate the "socialistic" Obamacare system - what's your alternative?

Ryan's problem is that he unveiled his own health reform plan in the spring of 2009, just before the Dems unveiled their plans. At the time, Ryan was calling for what turned out to be the same thing as the Dems: tax credits and exchanges. He backed off pretty quick when the right turned against the Dem plans.

He never quite recovered his footing after that.
 
Which is why they are pushing the confederate flag issue. They want racial tension during the 2016 campaign season. The attempt to play the so they race card over voter ID bills in the 2014 election did not work out so they are trying a different tactic. They feel that racial tensions are the only possible way they will keep the same level of African Americans voters going to the polls as did in 2008 and 2012. Look for them to try to keep the flag flap going all the way into November 2016.

Kinda makes you wonder about how Holder and Obama have handled Ferguson and the others.
 
Kinda makes you wonder about how Holder and Obama have handled Ferguson and the others.

Exactly. They feel that racial tensions benefit the democrats party. Look for them to make another big push on amnesty for illegal immigrants as well.
 
I'm of the mind to let the act run it's course. Let it be fully enacted and fall apart on it's own. Once the insurance companies start failing and the people who actually PAY for health insurance explode and the whole thing will die on it's own.

not that hard Republicans.
 
I'm of the mind to let the act run it's course. Let it be fully enacted and fall apart on it's own. Once the insurance companies start failing and the people who actually PAY for health insurance explode and the whole thing will die on it's own.

not that hard Republicans.

Sounds like you've articulated the current GOP strategy for running the country.

If you can't have it your way (even if you have no coherent idea what you want), don't improve on things, just stomp your feet and sulk.
 
Sounds like you've articulated the current GOP strategy for running the country.

If you can't have it your way (even if you have no coherent idea what you want), don't improve on things, just stomp your feet and sulk.


The Party of "NO". It worked so well when Cruz led the Repubs in shutting down the government.
 
I'm of the mind to let the act run it's course. Let it be fully enacted and fall apart on it's own. Once the insurance companies start failing and the people who actually PAY for health insurance explode and the whole thing will die on it's own.

not that hard Republicans.

However it would be wise for the republicans to unify behind a common sense reform plan in the lead up to either repeal of the obamacare house of cards coming down on it's own.
 
Sounds like you've articulated the current GOP strategy for running the country.

If you can't have it your way (even if you have no coherent idea what you want), don't improve on things, just stomp your feet and sulk.

I'm saying let the legislation Polosi and company(Obama probably hasn't even read it) be enacted fully. How is that sulking?
 
The Party of "NO". It worked so well when Cruz led the Repubs in shutting down the government.

Except that the government did not shut down. It did not come anywhere close to shutting down. A few non critical government services were put on hold for a few days. The government was up and running the entire time.
 
Except that the government did not shut down. It did not come anywhere close to shutting down. A few non critical government services were put on hold for a few days. The government was up and running the entire time.

Yeah, it only cost an extra $24 billion during the shutdown.
 
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