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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

God, I can't wait until Hillary becomes President next year. Republican tears...mmm, they'll taste so good.

No, I'm enjoying reading their despair over this ruling. In fact, I'm loving it!

If Hillary is the nominee that will create an opportunity for Repubs. I was pleased by both SCOTUS decisions this week so I'm in a good mood.
 
Thanks for the compliment.

But in all fairness, I must admit my paternal grandfather emigrated from Calgary, I have relatives from Hull to Vancouver, and I spent chunks of my youth visiting them & ski-bumming across the country. If I were to retire expat, I'd very much consider Montreal or Quebec City (I love both).

Connections are one thing, but you have obviously taken the time to inform yourself, and it's largely accurate, surprising for Americans today.
I agree with the difference in perception, and is where the right in the US is in the dark ages, as bound to ideology as any left wing gruber. The for-profit model is simply not sustainable and, is yet another indicator of the division in the US. The resistance to it has nothing to do with merit, cost or effectiveness, it is all politics. The financial argument, which should sell them, is there. And I agree, they are stupid enough to try to repeal Obamacare and leave nothing as an alternative.

I maintain that UHC is a result of our more compassionate culture. It is my theory that Canada is different than the US [we have the same parents] because of climate. We had to survive, most at first didn't, and to do that we had to merge with Native cultures, adopt their ways, which were all highly communal, the reason we don't lock our doors - it's rude, someone may need protection from the elements.
And that is what propelled UHC in the 40's and 50's. That single aspect I believe is THE most significant difference in us; the US conquered the west, they "won" it, we settled it.

A close on line friend in this forum, believes Canadian doctors are flocking to the US to work, truth? some do, even more stay, and even more are lined up waiting to immigrate. Yes, anything will be distorted, the "side" musthave a "victory"........compromise being a word, forgotten.

But that's your politics, not the Republican party. Lies work. I hold Obama responsible. He wanted a typical American quick fix, something to get re-elected on.What has been forgotten in US politics, is leadership, the kind that leads people to open minded thinking. I know Americans many across the line, Republicans, who want what we have. Once again we see the revolutionary culture over evolutionary.

Obama is 100 times the charismatic Tommy Douglas was, has more influence than any other president I have seen; he took the low road, the popular road instead of campaigning for what the US must do sooner or later. However, as I see it now, UHC has been set back at least two decades because of Obamacare and the way it was rammed down American's throats. If there is one thing that angers me about the state of my "other country" it is that. You really are stabbing yourselves right in the heart

Where we disagree is that the right are the only ones engaged in propaganda. They both do it, and lately Obama is far better at it than Republicans, he single handedly turned a mental illness shooting into a hate fest against the Confederate flag, as if that will stop more mass killings.

We sit here and watch and go tsk, tsk, watch the lies about UHC and reflect "they're stabbing themselves in the heart" and secretly get angry for being lied about. But in the end, we also secretly say to our best friends "if that's the way you want it, fine, don't bitch to us when we have all the jobs."

Now, as a journalist I will share that ALL propaganda is designed to divide, to create fear, if not hate. When a president says his Republican opponents are "enemies", you know nothing will be accomplished...and when well educated people start creating fictions like death panels you know there is going to be regression and both lead to more fighting and the impossibility of compromise.

here, we have a former Senator on trial for fudging his expense accounts, a former national radio host on trial for sexual abuse and harassment....summer entertainment. In the US, I wonder if they would have even lost their jobs.

The problem is not with one party, but what YOU the voter allow politicians to do... "You can keep your plan", "Canada has death panels", "It was a spontaneous demonstration" are all killing you, when you ideologically defend this **** you lower the bar.....right into the gutter. When you start firing the liars, it will end. Right now, I see the American people as hate filled, all sides, wanting to get even for all the slights of the "enemy", the other Americans who disagree with "my view". I say that Obama has warred against his own lawmakers better than terrorists, and that the next president, either party, will do the same. The media is polarized and biased and playing into the hate game.....

Here, the idea of another US civil war grows more and more real to us.
 
Connections are one thing, but you have obviously taken the time to inform yourself, and it's largely accurate, surprising for Americans today.
I agree with the difference in perception, and is where the right in the US is in the dark ages, as bound to ideology as any left wing gruber. The for-profit model is simply not sustainable and, is yet another indicator of the division in the US. The resistance to it has nothing to do with merit, cost or effectiveness, it is all politics. The financial argument, which should sell them, is there. And I agree, they are stupid enough to try to repeal Obamacare and leave nothing as an alternative.

I maintain that UHC is a result of our more compassionate culture. It is my theory that Canada is different than the US [we have the same parents] because of climate. We had to survive, most at first didn't, and to do that we had to merge with Native cultures, adopt their ways, which were all highly communal, the reason we don't lock our doors - it's rude, someone may need protection from the elements.
And that is what propelled UHC in the 40's and 50's. That single aspect I believe is THE most significant difference in us; the US conquered the west, they "won" it, we settled it.

A close on line friend in this forum, believes Canadian doctors are flocking to the US to work, truth? some do, even more stay, and even more are lined up waiting to immigrate. Yes, anything will be distorted, the "side" musthave a "victory"........compromise being a word, forgotten.

But that's your politics, not the Republican party. Lies work. I hold Obama responsible. He wanted a typical American quick fix, something to get re-elected on.What has been forgotten in US politics, is leadership, the kind that leads people to open minded thinking. I know Americans many across the line, Republicans, who want what we have. Once again we see the revolutionary culture over evolutionary.

Obama is 100 times the charismatic Tommy Douglas was, has more influence than any other president I have seen; he took the low road, the popular road instead of campaigning for what the US must do sooner or later. However, as I see it now, UHC has been set back at least two decades because of Obamacare and the way it was rammed down American's throats. If there is one thing that angers me about the state of my "other country" it is that. You really are stabbing yourselves right in the heart

Where we disagree is that the right are the only ones engaged in propaganda. They both do it, and lately Obama is far better at it than Republicans, he single handedly turned a mental illness shooting into a hate fest against the Confederate flag, as if that will stop more mass killings.

We sit here and watch and go tsk, tsk, watch the lies about UHC and reflect "they're stabbing themselves in the heart" and secretly get angry for being lied about. But in the end, we also secretly say to our best friends "if that's the way you want it, fine, don't bitch to us when we have all the jobs." . . .

here, we have a former Senator on trial for fudging his expense accounts, a former national radio host on trial for sexual abuse and harassment....summer entertainment. In the US, I wonder if they would have even lost their jobs.

The problem is not with one party, but what YOU the voter allow politicians to do... "You can keep your plan", "Canada has death panels", "It was a spontaneous demonstration" are all killing you, when you ideologically defend this **** you lower the bar.....right into the gutter. When you start firing the liars, it will end. Right now, I see the American people as hate filled, all sides, wanting to get even for all the slights of the "enemy", the other Americans who disagree with "my view". I say that Obama has warred against his own lawmakers better than terrorists, and that the next president, either party, will do the same. The media is polarized and biased and playing into the hate game.....

Here, the idea of another US civil war grows more and more real to us.

I hope you didn't pull a muscle with all that patting yourself on the back. In the US we don't wait until people are former-this or former-that. We have a sitting Senator under indictment, and the highest-rated evening news anchorman lost his job for embellishing his tales of journalistic derring-do. Difference in national character? Assuming for the sake of argument there is such a thing it's the difference between a people who took their independence and a people who were granted it.:2usflag:
 
I hope you didn't pull a muscle with all that patting yourself on the back. In the US we don't wait until people are former-this or former-that. We have a sitting Senator under indictment, and the highest-rated evening news anchorman lost his job for embellishing his tales of journalistic derring-do. Difference in national character? Assuming for the sake of argument there is such a thing it's the difference between a people who took their independence and a people who were granted it.:2usflag:

I hope your brain didn't explode over having to read and concoct an insult
 
" Cost sharing " ?? LOL !!! You mean forced redistribution based on subjective politicized definitions.

The Democrat party promised " affordability " and then delivered mandated cost increases on Middle class Americans. That pissed people off.

What did you expect ? People don't like being scammed and lied to.

The title of the law is and will always be a shining example of just how dishonest and manipulative the Democrat party can be. Who would have thought that the Democrat party had the superhuman ability to look years ahead into the future fiances of every Middle Class American while simultaneously predicting the future economic conditions of the Country just so they could bring us " affordable healthcare "

The Title was and is a lie.

Cost and premiums continue to climb but now they're justified with desperate and ridiculous claims that the ACA slowed down the rate of increase. If Health Care or Health Insurance was NOT " affordable " to begin with ( apparently why we needed the ACA ) how is it MORE AFFORDABLE now that cost continue to climb ? It's not.

All the propaganda and wishful thinking in the world isn't going to make Obamacare a good law. You can spend hour upon hour posting one pro-ACA article after the other, it's not going to make any difference. The Democrat party and it's candidates in 2016 are STILL going to pretend like it doesn't exist. Just like they did in 2014.

And the American people are going to react much in the same way they did in 2014. Empty promises that turned into lies already forgotten by the party that gave us this disaster wont BE forgotten by the voters.

I think people that support the ACA and continue to misrepresent it's impact while they ignore the sufferings of Millions of American families are near sociopaths. Well, that describes the left in so many ways. Ideology over Country, over integrity, over reality.

I hope all these dumbasses looking for a free lunch, looking for activist justices who continue to legislate from the bench, continue to piss of the American majority. The backlash is going to be fun to watch. You can only push people so far and the left is really doing just that.
 
I hope all these dumbasses looking for a free lunch, looking for activist justices who continue to legislate from the bench, continue to piss of the American majority. The backlash is going to be fun to watch. You can only push people so far and the left is really doing just that.

Activist judges. :sigh:

To quote former Supreme Court cheif justice Charles Evans Hughes

We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is, and the judiciary is the safeguard of our property and our liberty and our property under the Constitution.
 
No, you simply adamantly refuse to recognize the lag effect involved. Yer a foolish, blind ideologue. There are time lags all around you. Pull yer head out of yer butt and you'll see them.

>>I post the BLS chart and that makes me a liar and an idiot?

You always post ugly piles of cut-and-paste. Numbers by themselves don't prove anything. You need to use them to make an argument. Yer arguments are without substance.

>>I really feel sorry for you

And I continue to say that you should save yer compassion for yerself.

Lag affect? 842 billion dollar stimulus for shovel ready jobs and two years later there are 3 million fewer Americans employed than what he inherited? Seems to me like typical low liberal expectations and results.

Results matter as does basic civics. Wonder why you ignored the question, why did the Democrat controlled Congress allow Bush to "destroy the economy" as you and others claim. Somewhere in this reality is incompetence and yet all you want to do is blame Republicans and Bush. Liberals like you never take responsibility for your own actions let alone the actions of the party of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama.
 
Activist judges. :sigh:

To quote former Supreme Court cheif justice Charles Evans Hughes

Yes, activist justices, judges that ignore the will of the people. One of these days you are going to realize exactly what you did and aren't going to like the outcome. Keep pissing off the majority. The final result is going to be fun to watch.
 
God, I can't wait until Hillary becomes President next year. Republican tears...mmm, they'll taste so good.

Yep, a liberals dream. One of these days you are going to realize what a mess liberalism and socialism has created. It will be too late to tell you I told you so but I live in TX and am going to enjoy the fallout and the misery inflected on your state by that massive central govt. you support.

Results don't matter in the liberal world, do they?
 
No, I'm enjoying reading their despair over this ruling. In fact, I'm loving it!

Enjoy the reading, keep pissing off the majority in this country. The fallout is going to be fun to watch especially for those of us in the state of TX
 
Lol !!

If it wasn't affordable to begin with, ( why we needed ObamaCare ) how is it more affordable after cost increase ?

Your party lied and has been lying ever since.

Its why you got your asses handed to you in 2014. Its why your Politicans has to keep a lid on discussing the ACA

The ACA isn't going to get better before 2016. Is going to get worse.

The ACA is gaining popularity ever month....

At 49 Percent Support, Obamacare Hits a High - ABC News
 
Yes, activist justices, judges that ignore the will of the people. One of these days you are going to realize exactly what you did and aren't going to like the outcome. Keep pissing off the majority. The final result is going to be fun to watch.

The advice of a hypocrite.
 

Great, enjoy your govt. controlled and administered healthcare program, a program that does nothing to improve the health of the American people but does generate voters for the Democrat Party or in other words "the stupid" voters.

This is going to be fun to watch, you piss off enough of the majority and the liberal fall is going to be fun to watch. The party of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama continue to fundamentally change this country from a country of personal responsibility to one of govt. responsibility for personal responsibility issues. You aren't going to like the end result but being in TX, I am going to love watching that fall.
 
The advice of a hypocrite.

The truth hurts. This is a country made great by people excepting personal responsibility and neighbor helping neighbor, not a federal mandate that the taxpayers pay for someone else's personal responsibility issues. You obviously have no problem with it and therein lies the problem.
 
The truth hurts. This is a country made great by people excepting personal responsibility and neighbor helping neighbor, not a federal mandate that the taxpayers pay for someone else's personal responsibility issues. You obviously have no problem with it and therein lies the problem.

The federal government is a instrument of the people.
 
The federal government is a instrument of the people.

Yes, let the Federal Govt. implement the will of the people and not have justices legislate from the bench. If you feel so strongly about Obamacare, put it on the ballot and let the people decide. How many Republican votes did the bill get? when you are talking about financial issues of the American people you better have a bipartisan bill and not a partisan one
 
The federal government is a instrument of the people.

I love how liberals believe democracy changes the fundamental nature of government. It's just so goddamn cute! Come here cutey and let me pinch those cheeks.
 
Great, enjoy your govt. controlled and administered healthcare program, a program that does nothing to improve the health of the American people
Right, because insurance companies, and lobbyists for the hospitals and pharma companies heal so many. It is not the voters that are stupid , but such ignorant reasoning.
 
prometeus;1064761833]Right, because insurance companies, and lobbyists for the hospitals and pharma companies heal so many. It is not the voters that are stupid , but such ignorant reasoning.


Typical leftwing response. Any idea why costs are so high? How many votes do Lobbyists get on the floor of Congress? You don't think the insurance companies benefit from Obamacare? Don't you ever get tired of being lied to by the liberal elite? Maybe you ought to talk to Gruber about who really is stupid?
 
Yes, let the Federal Govt. implement the will of the people and not have justices legislate from the bench. If you feel so strongly about Obamacare, put it on the ballot and let the people decide. How many Republican votes did the bill get? when you are talking about financial issues of the American people you better have a bipartisan bill and not a partisan one

The justices of the Supreme Court were nominated by the president of the United States, who is elected by electoral vote, and the presidents nominees are either confirmed or rejected by a vote in the United States senate, which is a body whose members are elected by the popular vote of the people of the states they represent.

The federal judicial system has to be able to act as a check on the powers of both the executive and legislative branches.
 
The justices of the Supreme Court were nominated by the president of the United States, who is elected by electoral vote, and the presidents nominees are either confirmed or rejected by a vote in the United States senate, which is a body whose members are elected by the popular vote of the people of the states they represent.

The federal judicial system has to be able to act as a check on the powers of both the executive and legislative branches.

So it is the will of the justices and not the will of the people but probably only when the ruling supports your position? You seem a little conflicted here. It wasn't the will of the people that enacted Obamacare it was a socialist/liberal Democrat Party alone that did it and they lost the House and ultimately the Congress over it. I repeat. you want the will of the people on things like Obamacare, then put it on the ballot. This remains a state issue regardless of what activist justices think.
 

Lol !! Wishing thinking.

Is it ? Because if its so " popular " why did the Democrats avoid it like the plague in the 2014 Midterms ?

Why did they get their clocks cleaned again ?

No, its not getting more popular, and it won't get better with age. On the contrary.

For one as the penalty for not buying some Government created product rises so will the disgust for a party who sold their Presidents signature legislation on a long list of lies and misrepresentations.

Pay back is a bitch as they say, and by the time 2016 rolls around Democrats will be crawling over themselves to get away from the ACA and its destructive consequences.
 
Lol !!

She's actually losing ground to a avowed Socialist.

How bad of a candidate do you have to be to have Bernie Sanders gaining ground on you ??

Hillary's disastrous book tour tells me she's not this big Political power house you people make her out to be. She wasn't even influential in the Mid-terms when she went out and stumped for Democrat candidates.

Hillary has a unfortunate problem. The MORE she talks. the more public appearances she makes, the more people hate her. Her shrill voice and funny pants suit clown outfits turn people off immediately.

Not to mention she has NOTHING to run on. No accomplishments to brag about and of-course she cant run on the successes of Obama and Obamacare.

Yet the only candidate the GOP can put up with a ghost of a chance against her is unlikely to make it through the hustings, even if he manages to lose his last name in the process..
 
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