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Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

Thrilla said:
the stars and bars were the 2nd national confederate flag, if I recall correctly.
not that i care...i just like the looks of the flag..... and i think this whole bull**** flag narrative is absurd.

but in any event.. if you want to ban things that offend your delicate sensibilities.. feel free..... it's the modern liberal way , after all.
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I'm not banning anything. Just voicing my opinion. You are acting like I have some kind of authority here that you don't.
 
poweRob said:
Don't you think you may be overreacting a tad here?
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in a perfect world, you'd be asking that question to the folks wanting to rid the world of a flag that makes them cry..... but , alas, this is the modern world.. pointing out how absurd the knee jerk reactions are is "overreacting" :roll:

not sure what y'all are going ot do when you find out racism still exists after the stars and bars disappears... but i'm sure you'll find something else to ban when the time comes.
 
Thrilla said:
the stars and bars were the 2nd national confederate flag, if I recall correctly.
not that i care...i just like the looks of the flag..... and i think this whole bull**** flag narrative is absurd.

but in any event.. if you want to ban things that offend your delicate sensibilities.. feel free..... it's the modern liberal way , after all.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

Shows the confederate flags. Tennessee's battle flag apparently became the rectangular stars and bars that we see today. Virginia's battle flag was close. But never like what we see today was any of the actual confederate states' flags.
 
Thrilla said:
in a perfect world, you'd be asking that question to the folks wanting to rid the world of a flag that makes them cry..... but , alas, this is the modern world.. pointing out how absurd the knee jerk reactions are is "overreacting" :roll:

not sure what y'all are going ot do when you find out racism still exists after the stars and bars disappears... but i'm sure you'll find something else to ban when the time comes.
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Personally, this is what I told my wife today about this, "These Republicans only just now jumping on the 'remove the confederate flag' kick are only doing this so that they can appear to be doing something about racism without actually having to do ANYTHING about racism."
 
shrubnose said:
Virginia will phase out vehicle license plates featuring the Confederate battle flag, the state's governor said on Tuesday, following the fatal shooting of nine black worshipers at a historic South Carolina church, allegedly by a white gunman.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-governor-orders-flag-removed-license-plates-152930901.html

I predict that the same thing will happen in other states in the near future and that all states will stop mandating display of the Confederate flag.


No one is going to stop anyone from personally displaying it, but the states will stop doing it.

Wait and see.
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State property, it can do what it wants.
 
shrubnose said:
Virginia will phase out vehicle license plates featuring the Confederate battle flag, the state's governor said on Tuesday, following the fatal shooting of nine black worshipers at a historic South Carolina church, allegedly by a white gunman.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-governor-orders-flag-removed-license-plates-152930901.html

I predict that the same thing will happen in other states in the near future and that all states will stop mandating display of the Confederate flag.


No one is going to stop anyone from personally displaying it, but the states will stop doing it.

Wait and see.
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Isn't she glorious?
 
Yankees have been trying to erase Southern culture since the founding. If they had it their way, chicken and waffles would be the next thing to go.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Customized license plates of any kind seem like a huge waste of money for the government to be spending time on.
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you know that license plates aren't free right?
 
mac said:
you know that license plates aren't free right?
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Yeah, and tbh I'm not that knowledgeable on license plates (what a bizarre world it is when license plates become a political issue), partially because I've never opted for paying the extra money for a customized license plate. The concept of funding from customized license plates going towards a program with a similar "theme" as the customized license plate sounds like a nice idea I suppose. I've just always found the idea of expressing oneself through license plates odd; they kind of seem like government subsidized bumper stickers.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Yeah, and tbh I'm not that knowledgeable on license plates (what a bizarre world it is when license plates become a political issue), partially because I've never opted for paying the extra money for a customized license plate. The concept of funding from customized license plates going towards a program with a similar "theme" as the customized license plate sounds like a nice idea I suppose. I've just always found the idea of expressing oneself through license plates odd; they kind of seem like government subsidized bumper stickers.
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It's not government subidized. The government doesn't pay for it. The car owner pays for it.
 
Thrilla said:
the stars and bars were the 2nd national confederate flag, if I recall correctly.
not that i care...i just like the looks of the flag..... and i think this whole bull**** flag narrative is absurd.

but in any event.. if you want to ban things that offend your delicate sensibilities.. feel free..... it's the modern liberal way , after all.
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So if you liked the looks of the Nazi flag, you should be able to fly it off your front porch without anyone whining about it? So free speech for you and anyone who disagrees with your speech just needs to STFU?

I'm just trying to get your position straight. We all get that you have the right to fly any damn thing you want, so I'm not sure why you keep using the word "ban." Literally no one is talking about a ban of that flag.
 
Thrilla said:
I wouldn't balk at the notion.... that's better than making it disappear altogether like so many idiots want.

it's a cool flag.. a cool symbol....
no need for it to disappear...well, except to calm the hypersensitive PC sissies who can't stop crying about it.
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Very cool, the current symbol of racists everywhere, including racists in the S.C. legislature and Governors office in the 1960s who fought like hell to prevent their black citizens from having the same rights as their white ones. Can't believe the hypersensitive PC sissies can't just ignore the flag's history and appreciate the cool design.....
 
If people really think the "confederate flag" is causing people to be racists I feel sorry for them. The black community should worry more about crime in their community, about keeping their kids in school and making good grades so when and if they graduate they are ready for the work force.This is more important than flags.
 
shrubnose said:
In the USA everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
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by the courts, us as Joe schmoe on the internet can call them what they are,

which is certainly not "alleged"
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Customized license plates of any kind seem like a huge waste of money for the government to be spending time on.
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actually they make money, you have to pay more for the specialized design, usually a higher fee for the custom plate, with a portion of the fee plus a voluntary donation going to a group or cause affiliated with the plate. like in Washington we have the "lighthouse" custom plate, costs more plus a portion of the fee goes to maintaining historic lighthouses, etc. or ham radio operators pay more to have their FCC station identifier on their license plate...
 
Deuce said:
Was the US founded specifically in response to an attempt by Britain to abolish slavery?
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nope, but we can't condone violent extremist gun toting tax cheats either. rip 'er down...
 
poweRob said:
Thing is about that flag is that it's history is just bull****. It's not nor has it ever been the confederate flag. The original confederate flag was red white and blue with fewer stripes but in the fog of war... in battle it was easily confused by both sides if it was a union or confederate flag so the south then changed it. And it still never was the stars and bars. The closest replica of it was a white flag with the stars and bars small and in the corner like the blue part of the American flag is now. And THAT was rebuked when it was thought it could be perceived as a surrender flag in battle.

The confederate flag changed all the time and it was never that stars and bars outright. So the "heritage" part of that flag is just utter crap full of lies and as cool as it looks, it was adopted by the real ****nuts of our society which killed what's left of it's relevance. So flying this flag whose only heritage is being adopted by Klan members and such on government property... it's gotta go away from there IMO.
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Then maybe it was never a flag FOR slavery.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Probably a good idea. People should be able to display the flag all day long, but not real sure we have much precedence for a license plate being a pure example of freedom of expression.
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The issue is that we allow the government to decide which groups get to have free speech (on state controlled media) and which groups do not get that "privilege". Who, other than people, form the groups that design specialty plates and request that the state offer them for sale? If PETA gets offended about hunting and/or fishing related plates must they be phased out as well? There is no right not to be offended and the state should not try to please every very vocal (or politically connected?) moron that finds something to be an "offensive" symbol/image.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The issue is that we allow the government to decide which groups get to have free speech (on state controlled media) and which groups do not get that "privilege". Who, other than people, form the groups that design specialty plates and request that the state offer them for sale? If PETA gets offended about hunting and/or fishing related plates must they be phased out as well? There is no right not to be offended and the state should not try to please every very vocal (or politically connected?) moron that finds something to be an "offensive" symbol/image.
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When did the license plate become the individuals exclusive property?
 
OrphanSlug said:
When did the license plate become the individuals exclusive property?
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When they pay the state handsomely for the use of their media. If any group/individual gets to have specialty plates then all should be able to do so. The state is not "phasing out" all specialty plates they are editing them differently for only one group.

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JasperL said:
So if you liked the looks of the Nazi flag, you should be able to fly it off your front porch without anyone whining about it?
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whining is also part of free speech...but if that goes to far and turns into a public campaign to silence that speech/expression, ..well, a different approach is probably neccessary...especailly if you are going to pretend you respect free speech/expression rights.

for a more realistic example, I have literally hundreds and hundreds of biker associates... a few of which have Swastika tattoos. I know these dudes aren't showing he symbol according to it's long held historical meaning, instead choosing the white supremacist meaning.
do i like those tats?.. nope.. sure don't....white supremacy is among the most idiotic things on the planet.
should i follow the around and whine about it?.. launch a public campaign to ban swastika tattoos?.. I dunno, but i choose, according to my beliefs, to mind my own business and not turn in to a giant whiny brat over them.

i've even complimented a couple of these guys on their tats , saying to them that i'm glad they are reviving the historical meaning of "good fortune" instead of adopted the crazy bull**** Hitler and white supremacist brought upon us.
it wasn't true...these cats probably didn't even know the Swastika existed long before Nazis... but i was just doing my part to remove the negative power of that symbol by exerting a positive message on it.
does doing so change their beliefs?.. nope.... but it does accomplish a few other things...I show i'm opposed to white supremacist bull****, I strip their message from them and replace it with a positive message, and I remove the possibility of them getting defensive while doing so.
I could choose to whine and cry and say swastika tattoos should be demonized and call for tattoo artists to stop giving them... but that's not a very effective way to go about things... doing so only adds conflict.

So free speech for you and anyone who disagrees with your speech just needs to STFU?
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free speech/expression is for everyone...that's exactly why I think public campaigns, like the one we are seeing, to make certain expressions/speech go away is misguided.
the folks who hate this flag cannot say they respect free speech/expression... not when their end game is to silence that speech/expression.... that's just a fact.
when you actively seek a conflict, you're going to get one... conflicts leads to defensiveness, rash decisions, animosity, and whole host of negatives.


I'm just trying to get your position straight. We all get that you have the right to fly any damn thing you want, so I'm not sure why you keep using the word "ban." Literally no one is talking about a ban of that flag.
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well, i don't buy that any of you think anyone has the right to fly the flag... I believe, at best, that's a partial lie.
y'all are talking about the government respecting your free speech rights...but nothing beyond that... respecting free speech, to me, goes beyond simply saying the government shouldn't sanction you.

my position comes from a different perspective.... while some think banishing the expression from their sight makes things all better, i believe such campaigns gives too much power to symbols and the meaning they assign to them.
I prefer to not allow things i dislike live rent free in my head... and i prefer to strip the meaning and power from stuff i don't like.
 
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