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Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

I've never heard that one before. I see "Tea Bagger" a lot. I used to be more reserved in my verbiage until I witnessed the response by liberals to the Tea Party. I realized the Democrat party won't stop with their derogatory word usage so I decided I should start taking a page out of their book.

Fair enough, and you probably think those who use the term are idiots, as do I of those who insist on childishly refusing to use the term "Democratic" party. But do what you want, as I said I have no objection - nice identifier for me.

Nope. I pointed out that crediting LBJ with Kennedy's legacy is wrong. LBJ's signature policies did nothing for Civil Rights, they just grew the government.

LBJ pushed and signed the civil and voting rights acts. As a Southerner he could have sat on those and just allowed them to die. He didn't. I'm not sure why you're invested in robbing him of any credit for it.

The Republicans were operating on the 1883 Supreme Court ruling on a similar anti-discrimination bill passed by Congress in 1875 ([URL="http://www.americanbar.org
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Sorry but I don't know what the issue we're debating is.

They weren't conservative. Southern Democrats were big government entitlement progressives. I find it funny that you find a "right to work" to be Conservative. :roll:

It's sure as hell not "liberal" to oppose the interests of labor unions, forever a giant and influential democratic bloc of money and voters.

And non-Whites were "naturally aligned" with the Democrats too, apparently.

Holy Irony, Batman! "Non-Whites" have voted Democrat since before the CRA, are you saying that non-Whites were too stupid to know this? I am sure that the appeal of big government nanny state programs had the same appeal in the 1940s, 50s and 60s for the poor as it always had.

OK, more democrats bad, GOP good. Fine.

Also, I couldn't care less if you are offended. I am objecting to the false and simplified narrative that Democrats have used for decades that said that racist white southerners flooded to the GOP after the CRA which statistics and all evidence shows didn't happen. I point out that the Southern Democrats didn't suddenly become Republicans, they stayed Democrats, and you get offended.

Great, the simplified notion that democrats were the REAL racists is BS and so is the simplified notion that all the racists immediately changes parties to the GOP after the CRA.

I like your "probably".

Well, some small number of blacks were allowed to register. I'm just trying to be accurate.
 
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It was an appropriate fix. You keep trying to run from the fact that the racist Southern whites in the old south were Democrats, and not conservatives.

I've explicitly recognized Southern racist democrats a dozen times. Not running from anything.

And in the Democratic party, white southerners were conservatives. I live here, and I am pretty familiar with what kind of democrats get elected in this area. They're not like they are in SF or NYC and sure as hell weren't like that in the 1950s. They'd find nice ideological home in the modern GOP and I'm not referring to anything at all to do with race or racism or any of that - religious, gun lovers, culturally conservative, that's always been the case. The only conflict would be business versus labor, and in 1940 the South was very poor, but that's changed and so the cultural conservatives have become supporters of big business, for lots of reasons, mostly they have money and influence.

No, that isn't a fact. That is an assumption born of your bigoted evaluation of people based entirely on their skin color and where they live.

Right, some racist good old boy pulled the lever for Obama... give me a break. I hear these people - "I'm sorry but I just can't vote for a nigger" referring to Obama is a direct quote from a very poor person of my acquaintance.

First, are you sure you mean "break bread"? And second, no, Democrats have their share of racists whether you acknowledge them or not. The whole force behind the Democrats welfare state ideology is that minorities are unable to succeed without white Democrats.

OK, we can disagree, but I'm glad Democrats don't have to pander to the anti-gay bigots or the dead ender racists anymore. It's an albatross around the GOP.

The supposed "Nixon Strategy" didn't work if it even existed. The South didn't turn red until Reagan. The Democrats remained racist, but changed their approach from Eugenics to abortion, with the same progressive eugenics supporters pushing abortion in the 1960s and 1070s.. The racism of the Democrat party never stopped, it just slightly changed its verbiage.

Eugenics.... Right, it's a defining part of the modern day democratic platform. Give me a break. Bad case of ODS and DDS today.
 
I've explicitly recognized Southern racist democrats a dozen times. Not running from anything.

Hahah, no you didn't. You called them racist white southerners, or racist white conservatives. You are pissy because I keep calling them Democrats, remember?

And in the Democratic party, white southerners were conservatives. I live here, and I am pretty familiar with what kind of democrats get elected in this area. They're not like they are in SF or NYC and sure as hell weren't like that in the 1950s. They'd find nice ideological home in the modern GOP and I'm not referring to anything at all to do with race or racism or any of that - religious, gun lovers, culturally conservative, that's always been the case. The only conflict would be business versus labor, and in 1940 the South was very poor, but that's changed and so the cultural conservatives have become supporters of big business, for lots of reasons, mostly they have money and influence.

As I have already shown, Southern Democrats of the 50s and 60s were progressive big government types. Conservatism in the south took hold with Reagan, or a disillusionment with Carter, but it didn't exist before then. The reason the Souther Democrats stayed democrat was because they were progressive and Republicans weren't.

Right, some racist good old boy pulled the lever for Obama... give me a break. I hear these people - "I'm sorry but I just can't vote for a nigger" referring to Obama is a direct quote from a very poor person of my acquaintance.

Assumptions based on your own bigotry are not a substitute for a sound argument.

OK, we can disagree, but I'm glad Democrats don't have to pander to the anti-gay bigots or the dead ender racists anymore. It's an albatross around the GOP.

Remind me, what party does Louis Farrakhan vote for?


Eugenics.... Right, it's a defining part of the modern day democratic platform. Give me a break. Bad case of ODS and DDS today.

In the fo4rm of abortion, yes it is an integral part on the modern DNC. They are all about better physical and social genetics through selective breeding.
 
Fair enough, and you probably think those who use the term are idiots, as do I of those who insist on childishly refusing to use the term "Democratic" party. But do what you want, as I said I have no objection - nice identifier for me.

I don't think they are idiots, no. I think they are crude and crass with their reference material, but I am unaware of any sexual maneuver called "The Democrat".. though I am sure it would be unpleasant.

LBJ pushed and signed the civil and voting rights acts. As a Southerner he could have sat on those and just allowed them to die. He didn't. I'm not sure why you're invested in robbing him of any credit for it.

Kennedy had already forged a coalition between Republicans and norther Dems, opposing it would have been political suicide.

Sorry but I don't know what the issue we're debating is.

You asked for citation of the concerns with the constitutional reservations of the Republicans regarding the Public Accommodation clause. Few liberals seem to realize that the Civil Rights act of 1964 wasn't the first crack at this. A similar law was passed in 1875 that was shot down by the Supreme Court. Adding the PA to the CRA was a serious risk if the SCOTUS stuck to precedent they would have shot down the bill again.

More later
 
The Confederate flag has no place in the government. It's like printing money with the swastika on it.
 
Probably a good idea. People should be able to display the flag all day long, but not real sure we have much precedence for a license plate being a pure example of freedom of expression.

I questioned why a Virginia Governor would weigh in on a SC flag display by phasing out license plates in his state showing the flag. Then I saw that Terry McCauliff is the Governor of Virginia, and I had my answer. Same old S***! No freedom of expression allowed if you disagree with him.
 
I questioned why a Virginia Governor would weigh in on a SC flag display by phasing out license plates in his state showing the flag. Then I saw that Terry McCauliff is the Governor of Virginia, and I had my answer. Same old S***! No freedom of expression allowed if you disagree with him.

LOL, if Virginia doesn't offer you the license plate of your choice, it's a war on freedom of expression? Can't you just buy a $3 bumper sticker? If that doesn't work, make your own. Paint your car. Lots of options.
 
Hahah, no you didn't. You called them racist white southerners, or racist white conservatives. You are pissy because I keep calling them Democrats, remember?

I'd go back and count the times I've acknowledged the South was nearly 100% democratic if I cared, but I don't.

As I have already shown, Southern Democrats of the 50s and 60s were progressive big government types. Conservatism in the south took hold with Reagan, or a disillusionment with Carter, but it didn't exist before then. The reason the Souther Democrats stayed democrat was because they were progressive and Republicans weren't.

Gosh, you're trying to reduce the politics of the South to a modern equivalent "progressive big government types" and it's just ignorant, as is the ridiculous notion that conservatism "didn't exist" in the South before Reagan.

And I'd love to know your definitions of a "progressive" in 1950. It sure as hell isn't the same definition as in 2015. Same with "conservative." You've made up a definition in your own mind, and then concluded that your made up definition excludes white southerners before St. Ronnie.

Assumptions based on your own bigotry are not a substitute for a sound argument.

Ok, you could be right that KKK types affiliate with the party home to nearly all elected blacks, a black POTUS at the top, and that blacks vote for nearly 100% of the time, and also the party that is openly friendly to gays and supports gay rights. If there is one thing racists love it's the gays. Regular open arm types, live and let live in that category in my experience.....

Remind me, what party does Louis Farrakhan vote for?

Sorry, but I don't have any idea, or what your point is. I haven't thought about the guy for years.

In the fo4rm of abortion, yes it is an integral part on the modern DNC. They are all about better physical and social genetics through selective breeding.

Really? I've never heard that mentioned one time ever, not ever referred to, etc. You getting your news from Glenn Beck? Subscribe to his channel or whatever?
 
I predict that the same thing will happen in other states in the near future and that all states will stop mandating display of the Confederate flag.

I predict you're right.

I also predict it won't do anything to reduce racism.
 
I predict you're right.

I also predict it won't do anything to reduce racism.



It will stop people from thinking that the state endorses their racism and that's a big step in the right direction.
 
I love how you say "allegedly by a white gunman" yet you have absolute certainty that the Confederate Flag is the real culprit.

The term "allegedly" is used until the alleged perpetrator is found guilty in a court of law. The use of this by shrubnose is proper in this case. The flag being inanimate does not receive the same treatment. I also think The State of Virginia must think the flag is the culprit because the state is getting rid of the flag from the license plates not the poster shrubnose.
 
Not all leftwingers are commie tyrants who've murders millions, but all commie tyrants who've murdered millions are leftwingers.

Stalin is considered right wing by some left wing people.

George Orwell said that Stalin was a reactionary, which made him right wing.
 
The term "allegedly" is used until the alleged perpetrator is found guilty in a court of law. The use of this by shrubnose is proper in this case. The flag being inanimate does not receive the same treatment. I also think The State of Virginia must think the flag is the culprit because the state is getting rid of the flag from the license plates not the poster shrubnose.

Firstly, allegedly is a legal term, not a debating term - the "alleged" murderer is already known and identified by some of the victims and he has indicated his guilt to those who arrested him. It is only left to a court to determine what level of guilt, in a criminal sense, he carries.

Secondly, the State of Virginia does not think "the flag is the culprit", unless you believe that the highly political, former Clinton bagman, and all around scum Democrat Governor of Virginia speaks and acts for all Virginians. McAuliffe simply, fortunately for him, has the power to act alone for his personal, political reasons.
 
Firstly, allegedly is a legal term, not a debating term - the "alleged" murderer is already known and identified by some of the victims and he has indicated his guilt to those who arrested him. It is only left to a court to determine what level of guilt, in a criminal sense, he carries.

Secondly, the State of Virginia does not think "the flag is the culprit", unless you believe that the highly political, former Clinton bagman, and all around scum Democrat Governor of Virginia speaks and acts for all Virginians. McAuliffe simply, fortunately for him, has the power to act alone for his personal, political reasons.
Legal term or not "allegedly" is in fact the proper term.
The state , their Governor (whether you like him or not) most certainly think the flag had something to do with this or he would not want to remove the image from the license plate. You certainly do not know the mindset of the Governor. You can guess as you wish but know I think not.
 
Legal term or not "allegedly" is in fact the proper term.
The state , their Governor (whether you like him or not) most certainly think the flag had something to do with this or he would not want to remove the image from the license plate. You certainly do not know the mindset of the Governor. You can guess as you wish but know I think not.

Well pardon me - seems you're entitled to claim what the entire State of Virginia thinks on the subject but I'm not allowed to opine on the motives of one man, the Governor. Typical.
 
Well pardon me - seems you're entitled to claim what the entire State of Virginia thinks on the subject but I'm not allowed to opine on the motives of one man, the Governor. Typical.

I did use the words, State, their Governor, both terms were used by Shrubnose and or you during the debate. This is why I used both. You said the Governor had a motive, like you knew it. You do not know if Governor has a particular motive. So what is your problem with what I stated exactly? I only made use of both terms not just one and I did not pretend to read minds or have privileged information directly from the Governor.
 
So being Christian is almost a requirement, Ford and Carter were both Christian... but Carter won the Southern vote because he was Christian, not because he was a Democrat?

Yeah, back to the drawing board with that one, Pete.

Carter won the southern vote because he was a southerner.

JFK won the southern vote because LBJ was a southerner.

Reagan won the southern vote because GHWBush was a southerner.

Clinton won the southern vote because he was a southerner.


The south votes for southerners and up until Obama won in 2008 the presidency could not be won without the southern vote. When the south realized they no longer held that advantage over the country....they went ballistic. Shout downs at town halls, tea parties, fear mongering....you name it.

The South doesn't take defeat lightly.
 
Since some people think the rainbow flag stands for perversion,
and some people think the rebel battle flag stands for racism,
why don't we just say, to each her/his own?
 
I did use the words, State, their Governor, both terms were used by Shrubnose and or you during the debate. This is why I used both. You said the Governor had a motive, like you knew it. You do not know if Governor has a particular motive. So what is your problem with what I stated exactly? I only made use of both terms not just one and I did not pretend to read minds or have privileged information directly from the Governor.

Sorry, I'm not in the mood to be an English comprehension teacher - if you don't understand the language, don't engage people you don't understand. Secondly, I know of Terry McAuliffe quite well and the Clinton lackie does nothing that isn't political. It would surprise no one if he did it specifically to protect Hillary Clinton and her chances in Virginia. If the flag remains in a State with a Democrat Governor, she loses that wedge issue.

Now, it's been a delight, but I'm done - have a good day.
 
Virginia will phase out vehicle license plates featuring the Confederate battle flag, the state's governor said on Tuesday, following the fatal shooting of nine black worshipers at a historic South Carolina church, allegedly by a white gunman.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-governor-orders-flag-removed-license-plates-152930901.html

I predict that the same thing will happen in other states in the near future and that all states will stop mandating display of the Confederate flag.


No one is going to stop anyone from personally displaying it, but the states will stop doing it.

Wait and see.

North Carolina's turkey of a governor who has his head up his butt did the same thing. NC has the Sons of Confederate Veterans plate but the Daughters of the Confederacy (of which I am a member) has never gotten one and probably won't now, DARN IT!
 
Since some people think the rainbow flag stands for perversion,
and some people think the rebel battle flag stands for racism,
why don't we just say, to each her/his own?

That makes too much sense! I would love to not have to justify my decision to display the flag because its part of my heritage.
 
Since some people think the rainbow flag stands for perversion,
and some people think the rebel battle flag stands for racism,
why don't we just say, to each her/his own?

The flag means what the people who made the flag say it means.
 
That makes too much sense! I would love to not have to justify my decision to display the flag because its part of my heritage.

Your heritage is slavery.
 
Your heritage is slavery.

That's ironic since Lincoln in reality didn't give a flip about freeing slaves. His emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the South, not up north. Also Lincoln only considered blacks to be worth 6/10 of a white man. That and his plan to deport all blacks back to Africa which lucky for them he did not live to put into place.
 
That's ironic since Lincoln in reality didn't give a flip about freeing slaves. His emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the South, not up north. .....

Well the South sure must've thought he did, especially after Lincoln gave his House Divided speech upon accepting the nomination for the abolitionist party that was formed to end slavery. How did you manage to miss that? In fact, South Carolina's declaration for secession called him the "abolitionist president" and quoted a line from his speech to make their cause: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free. "

The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the south.....where 78% of all slaves in America just happened to be. The proclamation did not effect the border states that chose to stay in the union. But then Lincoln probably didn't posses a wartime power to unilaterally abolish slavery in areas not at war with the USA.

The irony is that Lincoln probably wouldn't have been able to end slavery without the south trying to secede.

Also Lincoln only considered blacks to be worth 6/10 of a white man. That and his plan to deport all blacks back to Africa which lucky for them he did not live to put into place
Right, Lincoln was a monster but the slave holders were honorable. Got it.

Next you'll be telling me that blacks loved slavery so much that they started the war to keep it. lol
 
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