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Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

I'm not the one arguing that leading up to the war the North was full on anti-slavery.

The quote I replied to was: "the North never had a problem with slavery until then."

Do you deny all these major events in history, and all the wrangling and compromising with the slavers over the matter occurring before?

What's your point with the FSA? The South dominated Congress by and large --

They dominated because of that bloody compromise which gave them way more representation than they actually had, conferring their property count to be realized as Congressional representation.

The North repeatedly introduced legislation to repeal it, South / Democrats / pro-slavery factions reigned in congress. Votes. You know how that works, eh?
 
Yea, the North thought slavery was so repugnant they allowed it to continue for over 80 years.

Most of the Northern states had abolished it -- or took measures to abolish it, before the Constitution had been written.

By 1830, how many slaves were there in those original Northern states?

BTW: We're pretty proud of our many abolitionists and our Underground Railroad too.
 
As I understand it, that "rebel' flag did not even fly, from the end of the civil war, until 1962 when SC decided to fly it to symbolize their protest of the federal government when segregation was being pushed alongside civil rights. This was their way of basically shooting Uncle Sam the bird.

If SC still stands by that, if they are against these civil rights and integration of blacks along side whites, they should have every right to display their feelings any way they choose. (Freedom of speech and all that.) But don't come hand me that "southern heritage," bull****. If that was the case, it would have been flying long before 1962. I hate it when people try to piss on our heads and tell us it's raining.
 
The Stars and Bars is just as offensive as the Swastica.

that's really stupid. I couldn't care less what another state decides to fly as its state flag but that sort of nonsense is just plain hilarious. The stars and bars and its "nation" existed for 5 years and was a symbol of rebellion and part of that rebellion was over slavery. The Stars and stripes existed for almost 100 years when slavery was legal in most if not all of the country. and this is coming from a guy who is head of a family that featured the first Union Commander attacked by the rebellion and had several members of my family serve in the general rank in the Union
 
that's really stupid. I couldn't care less what another state decides to fly as its state flag but that sort of nonsense is just plain hilarious. The stars and bars and its "nation" existed for 5 years and was a symbol of rebellion and part of that rebellion was over slavery.

4 years.

The Stars and stripes existed for almost 100 years

85 years, from the date that Document was written - that said All Men are Created Equal.
73 years from when our Constitution was ratified.

when slavery was legal in most if not all of the country.
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Most of the Northern states had abolished it -- or took measures to abolish it, before the Constitution had been written.

By 1830, how many slaves were there in those original Northern states?

BTW: We're pretty proud of our many abolitionists and our Underground Railroad too.

Lol...

So why on earth would Lincoln need to emancipate the Slaves in 1863 if it was already " abolished " ?
 
By 1830, how many slaves were there in those original Northern states?

BTW: We're pretty proud of our many abolitionists and our Underground Railroad too.

Well, there were none in Ohio, Illinois and Indiana as those states had earlier abolished slavery (though illinois had a few individual commerical level grandfathering exceptions). Not only were these states slave free, but they were also black free as all three had banned settlement by free blacks. My guess is that abolitionists were few and far between in these union states and any underground railroads did not have any stops.
 
not a relevant point. actual secession took place before hostilities started-I rounded up to five years.

almost 100 years-picky pick picky


The Confederate flag (you said "The stars and bars and its "nation" existed for 5 years")
the Confederacy was formed February, 1861

-- the flag was adopted March 1861.
Lee surrendered April 1865. 4 years.

Call me picky, but I am one who likes to get the facts right.
 
The Confederate flag (you said "The stars and bars and its "nation" existed for 5 years") -- the flag was adopted March 1861.
Lee surrendered April 1865. 4 years.

Call me picky, but I am one who likes to get the facts right.

not relevant to the point I was making. the stars and bars existed far shorter than the stars and stripes. that was the relevant point that apparently you thought had to be countered and you did not.
 
<just shaking my head>

Open up a few history books, will ya?

oh the irony..

Quitt ducking and answer the question.

If " Slavery had already been abolished " in the North then why did Lincoln need to emancipate the slaves ?
 
not relevant to the point I was making. the stars and bars existed far shorter than the stars and stripes. that was the relevant point that apparently you thought had to be countered and you did not.

And you said this "The Stars and stripes existed for almost 100 years when slavery was legal in most if not all of the country" - which is wrong also.
 
Trying to sweep the history of the southern states under the rug won't have a positive effect on anything. It sure doesn't address racism. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Beyond stupid.
 
Supposedly the Confederate flag is a symbol for southern pride.

Pride of what? Slavery? Or a war that should have never happened but lead to the death nearly 1,000,000 people? Or Sherman's march to the sea that left the south defeated and destroyed and in ruins?

I see little to be proud of.
 
God damn. A fellow has to have a Phd in history, for crissakes, just to have a conversation around here. Sheeeesh........
 
Supposedly the Confederate flag is a symbol for southern pride.

Pride of what? Slavery? Or a war that should have never happened but lead to the death nearly 1,000,000 people? Or Sherman's march to the sea that left the south defeated and destroyed and in ruins?

I see little to be proud of.

Well, you should have no pride in your knowledge of American History, thats for sure.


The " Stars and Stripes ", the flag of the North flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

In fact, Lincoln didn't emancipate the slaves until 1863. Two years before the war ended.

And he wasn't emancipating slaves in rhe South either.

So the North only seemed to have an issue with slavery when the South chose to secede.

I wonder if the British flag should be removed from all Government buildings in the UK ?

Because that flag flew on many of the Slave ships that fereried over slaves to the new world.

Spain and Portuguese ships also ferried slaves over. Such historical hatred and evil locked up in those flags, right ?
 
Well, you should have no pride in your knowledge of American History, thats for sure.


The " Stars and Stripes ", the flag of the North flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

In fact, Lincoln didn't emancipate the slaves until 1863. Two years before the war ended.

And he wasn't emancipating slaves in rhe South either.

So the North only seemed to have an issue with slavery when the South chose to secede.

I wonder if the British flag should be removed from all Government buildings in the UK ?

Because that flag flew on many of the Slave ships that fereried over slaves to the new world.

Spain and Portuguese ships also ferried slaves over. Such historical hatred and evil locked up in those flags, right ?

In other words.....

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Well, you should have no pride in your knowledge of American History, thats for sure.


The " Stars and Stripes ", the flag of the North flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

In fact, Lincoln didn't emancipate the slaves until 1863. Two years before the war ended.

And he wasn't emancipating slaves in rhe South either.

So the North only seemed to have an issue with slavery when the South chose to secede.

I wonder if the British flag should be removed from all Government buildings in the UK ?

Because that flag flew on many of the Slave ships that fereried over slaves to the new world.

Spain and Portuguese ships also ferried slaves over. Such historical hatred and evil locked up in those flags, right ?

You need to stop as most of this is so wrong it's laughable, lol.
 
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You need to stop as most of this is so wrong it's laughable, lol.

YOU NEED to make a intelligent rebuttal instead of relying on shallow and irrelevant one lined statements.

Your opinion isn't worth the bandwidth you just wasted posting it.

If I'm " so wrong " then PROVE that I'm wrong.
 
YOU NEED to make a intelligent rebuttal instead of relying on shallow and irrelevant one lined statements.

Your opinion isn't worth the bandwidth you just wasted posting it.

If I'm " so wrong " then PROVE that I'm wrong.

In your case it's not necessary. You obviously have no clue about the history surrounding the civil war.
 
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