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NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

Yes..for thousands of dollars..some in mint condition, the price of a small car!! Can you purchase a 2015 model?

nope, nothing made after May 19, 1986 (actually nothing registered with ATF after that date) unless you are a Title II maker, or a Class III dealer with a police letter requesting to demonstrate a machine gun
 
No, you called Goshin “hon,” so I wanted to give you the heads-up. I despise that kind of patronizing nearly as much as I hold in contempt catty little girls pretending to be women. Good work, though, in reinforcing a stereotype.


Um, I'm afraid I may have busted trumps on that first... I think I referred to her as "dear" in one post.

I'm sorry. I'm from the South, I can't help it... we "dear" and "hon" everybody to death down here.... :doh
 
No, you called Goshin “hon,” so I wanted to give you the heads-up. I despise that kind of patronizing nearly as much as I hold in contempt catty little girls pretending to be women. Good work, though, in reinforcing a stereotype.

Um, I'm afraid I may have busted trumps on that first... I think I referred to her as "dear" in one post.

I'm sorry. I'm from the South, I can't help it... we "dear" and "hon" everybody to death down here.... :doh

I wasn't offended at all. No worries. People who like people and see them as equals...usually don't get offended by terms of endearment or southern charm.
 
Um, I'm afraid I may have busted trumps on that first... I think I referred to her as "dear" in one post.

I'm sorry. I'm from the South, I can't help it... we "dear" and "hon" everybody to death down here.... :doh

When waitresses and clerks call me "hon," I just let it roll right off of me, ditto geezers. But almost inevitably, "hon" is an attempt to patronize. The first time I ever cried (privately afterward in rage) at work was when a woman called me "hon" during a committee meeting to try to put me in my place. Arrrgh, I can hear her now. :twisted:
 
When waitresses and clerks call me "hon," I just let it roll right off of me, ditto geezers. But almost inevitably, "hon" is an attempt to patronize. The first time I ever cried (privately afterward in rage) at work was when a woman called me "hon" during a committee meeting to try to put me in my place. Arrrgh, I can hear her now. :twisted:



I've probably been in too many Waffle Houses and truck stops. Until I was 20 I thought "hon" was a waitressing term meaning "customer". :D


We "dear" and "hon" and "sweetie" and "buddy" each other to death around here... it doesn't necessarily mean anything unless it's said in that particular tone, if you know what I mean... then it's short for "bless your heart!" :doh
 
When waitresses and clerks call me "hon," I just let it roll right off of me, ditto geezers. But almost inevitably, "hon" is an attempt to patronize. The first time I ever cried (privately afterward in rage) at work was when a woman called me "hon" during a committee meeting to try to put me in my place. Arrrgh, I can hear her now. :twisted:


Well I sorta started it. No harm meant, just a habit of speech.

Apologies to any and all...
 
Well I sorta started it. No harm meant, just a habit of speech.

Apologies to any and all...

<snicker> This "older woman" accepts your very gracious apology. ;)
 
Heck I got called "boy" the other day, by an older lady, and I'm pushing 50.


When I was 20 it would have pissed me off.... now I smiled the entire rest of the day. :D


It's a Southern thing y'all...
 
nope, nothing made after May 19, 1986 (actually nothing registered with ATF after that date) unless you are a Title II maker, or a Class III dealer with a police letter requesting to demonstrate a machine gun

They are probably a rare collector gun by now. I am holding out for the new Civilian Drone Program....you can have them hover over you, surveying the scene and then strike when necessary....:lol: j/k This is an interesting article to chew on...I am not a fan of the site at all...but sometimes you find a article that is not slanted far left. A heavily regulated gun and only 2 deaths in 80 years.

Fully automatic guns in the US are highly regulated, and regulation works
 
They are probably a rare collector gun by now. I am holding out for the new Civilian Drone Program....you can have them hover over you, surveying the scene and then strike when necessary....:lol: j/k This is an interesting article to chew on...I am not a fan of the site at all...but sometimes you find a article that is not slanted far left. A heavily regulated gun and only 2 deaths in 80 years.

Fully automatic guns in the US are highly regulated, and regulation works


Well see the thing is, one of the biggest pushes in recent years has been to severely restrict if not ban "assault rifles". The problem is the gun control folks pushing this have a VERY broad definition of "assault rifle" or "assault weapon" that includes MANY common semi-auto rifles, some of which are mere "varmit guns" (ie for shooting rats and similar small pests or for target shooting).

The fact is that "assault RIFLES" as a category are very rarely used in crime; in fact more people are beaten to death with bare hands or clubs than are murdered with ANY type of rifle.

So it's a made-up problem with a needless solution.


This sort of thing makes those of us on the other side shake our heads and wonder if the anti's even know what their own agenda IS... or if maybe it isn't about crime at all.

Maybe, for the leadership and politicians, it is more about control. Seems that way sometimes.
 
Well I sorta started it. No harm meant, just a habit of speech.

Apologies to any and all...

Again none needed.....I was torn between "Darlin" and "Hon". ;) I feel bad that you have to apologize since it was a direct response between us.
 
Well see the thing is, one of the biggest pushes in recent years has been to severely restrict if not ban "assault rifles". The problem is the gun control folks pushing this have a VERY broad definition of "assault rifle" or "assault weapon" that includes MANY common semi-auto rifles, some of which are mere "varmit guns" (ie for shooting rats and similar small pests or for target shooting).

The fact is that "assault RIFLES" as a category are very rarely used in crime; in fact more people are beaten to death with bare hands or clubs than are murdered with ANY type of rifle.

So it's a made-up problem with a needless solution.


This sort of thing makes those of us on the other side shake our heads and wonder if the anti's even know what their own agenda IS... or if maybe it isn't about crime at all.

Maybe, for the leadership and politicians, it is more about control. Seems that way sometimes.

I agree...I think some get the appearance of the gun mixed up with its lethal qualities. I used to feel that way too...until I realized that my gun is considered a semi assault weapon...a 9mm. I chose it because of how smooth it is ...no kick, soft trigger, not real loud, etc. It felt the safest for me to use. I don't think semi assaults are any more dangerous than any other. They look scarier than they are. Many hunters use them...the AR-15 is very popular for hunters. I think a shot gun feels the scariest. The problem..this is a pissing contest between the extremes. The right has more leverage because of the Constitution is on their side. The left uses emotion and "what if's"...both if combined could be useful to gun regulation.
 
We're talking about church, Jesus is pretty relevant


no what you are talking about is a guestimation what a person or deity who may or may not have existed might have theoretically believed. I am basing my position on facts, and current events

if you believe in God that God exists in the mall, the spa, the car lot or a church. why a church is any different it escapes me. A person competent to carry a gun in a mall is equally competent in a church. That he might offend some people matters not to me.
 
They are probably a rare collector gun by now. I am holding out for the new Civilian Drone Program....you can have them hover over you, surveying the scene and then strike when necessary....:lol: j/k This is an interesting article to chew on...I am not a fan of the site at all...but sometimes you find a article that is not slanted far left. A heavily regulated gun and only 2 deaths in 80 years.

Fully automatic guns in the US are highly regulated, and regulation works

machine guns were never all that popular among criminals anyway and they are widely available on the world market and yet they still aren't all that popular with US Criminals-not even ones who have no trouble importing billions of cocaine. You see most criminals prefer concealable handguns and that is why long guns-be they semi or full auto are used in less than about 2% of the gun murders. They stand out and are very conspicuous

but what we do know is that there was absolutely no rational reason to ban new machine guns so it proves that gun banners have ulterior motives that have nothing to do with crime control
 
I agree...I think some get the appearance of the gun mixed up with its lethal qualities. I used to feel that way too...until I realized that my gun is considered a semi assault weapon...a 9mm. I chose it because of how smooth it is ...no kick, soft trigger, not real loud, etc. It felt the safest for me to use. I don't think semi assaults are any more dangerous than any other. They look scarier than they are. Many hunters use them...the AR-15 is very popular for hunters. I think a shot gun feels the scariest. The problem..this is a pissing contest between the extremes. The right has more leverage because of the Constitution is on their side. The left uses emotion and "what if's"...both if combined could be useful to gun regulation.

tell us what is USEFUL gun regulation GIVEN everything harmful you can do with a firearm is already illegal and using a firearm to further other crimes invariably leads to increased sentences. and if you have been adjudicated a threat to public safety-or even under indictment-its a federal felony to merely possess a firearm
 
no what you are talking about is a guestimation what a person or deity who may or may not have existed might have theoretically believed. I am basing my position on facts, and current events

if you believe in God that God exists in the mall, the spa, the car lot or a church. why a church is any different it escapes me. A person competent to carry a gun in a mall is equally competent in a church. That he might offend some people matters not to me.




At the very least, let individual churches choose as a congregation whether to be "CCW friendly" or not... and then let the parishoners "vote with their feet".
 
machine guns were never all that popular among criminals anyway and they are widely available on the world market and yet they still aren't all that popular with US Criminals-not even ones who have no trouble importing billions of cocaine. You see most criminals prefer concealable handguns and that is why long guns-be they semi or full auto are used in less than about 2% of the gun murders. They stand out and are very conspicuous

but what we do know is that there was absolutely no rational reason to ban new machine guns so it proves that gun banners have ulterior motives that have nothing to do with crime control

I don't know, I am kind of glad they are not in circulation. LE's job is hard enough and if they were cheap enough...you can't say for certain who they would appeal to if they were easily obtained. We have adequate stop power with what is legal already.
 
At the very least, let individual churches choose as a congregation whether to be "CCW friendly" or not... and then let the parishoners "vote with their feet".

smart idea. look if some pastor is afraid of guns and wants to keep his church a victim disarmament zone its his call. I agree with you. A local restaurant I used to go into a lot before CCW-had a no CCW sign. I ran into the owner one day and she said "where have you and your wife and son been" and I said-my wife always carry, I sometimes do and we don't go into places where we have to lock our guns in the car. and she said-yeah I have heard that from others

a short time later the sign came down
 
I don't know, I am kind of glad they are not in circulation. LE's job is hard enough and if they were cheap enough...you can't say for certain who they would appeal to if they were easily obtained. We have adequate stop power with what is legal already.

so 80 years and two crimes didn't convince you. I oppose the idiotic NFA and its unconstitutional but your fears are without any basis
 
tell us what is USEFUL gun regulation GIVEN everything harmful you can do with a firearm is already illegal and using a firearm to further other crimes invariably leads to increased sentences. and if you have been adjudicated a threat to public safety-or even under indictment-its a federal felony to merely possess a firearm

The shooter in the church had a pending felony charge against him...and he still bought one.
 
so 80 years and two crimes didn't convince you. I oppose the idiotic NFA and its unconstitutional but your fears are without any basis

Can you truthfully say that the 80 years and 2 crimes was because of the regulation? This can be seen both ways. We both could be wrong or right...we simply do not know for sure. You want wide open carry and ownership for every lethal weapon under the sun...others have a line in the sand.
 
The shooter in the church had a pending felony charge against him...and he still bought one.

uh if he BOUGHT ONE it was before the pending felony charge but the at least some of the reports said his father gave it to him BEFORE the pending felony charge.

oh once he was under indictment it was a felony for him to own the gun-that worked to stop him didn't it?
 
Can you truthfully say that the 80 years and 2 crimes was because of the regulation? This can be seen both ways. We both could be wrong or right...we simply do not know for sure. You want wide open carry and ownership for every lethal weapon under the sun...others have a line in the sand.

do you actually understand what the Hughes Amendment was?
 
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