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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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And you can't credibly make statements about what "scruffiest rednecks" believe about this incident unless you've spoken to every one of them in the state about it. Otherwise, you're making a generalization based on a small biased sample.

By that logic: He can much better than you can.
 
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I would agree with this.



I would deny this. By far the majority of conservatives are not white racists and do not cater to them.

I would agree that most white racists tend to conservative in their lean, however, I would also state that most terrorists overall (which white supremists are) tend to lean left. You can find plenty of both. Extremism is extremism regardless of your lean.

If you agree with the statements of Mithros, then you must, by extension, believe that liberals and Democrats cater to black racists. I'm not prepared to agree with anyone who believes either party "caters" to racists who may, on balance, support the policies of one party over another.
 
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that is a worthless response. Bundy worked for the GOP, Gacy was actually an official and the point was, that there are plenty of LW serial killers. and the group that kills the most people illegally also votes democrat 95% of the time

but lets stick to the topic. blaming any group for this murderer is premature

Too bad this thread isn't about serial killers then perhaps your own posts wouldn't look so stupid. Btw, Ted Kaczynski hated technology and thought it would turn people into left wingers. Just sayin.
 
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You clearly don't understand the meaning of terrorism, racism, and/or political ideology since you're trying to conflate the three as one.

Terrorists in the middle East fill their youngers' heads with bull**** and then use them to carry out their heinous deads. This young one clearly had his head filled with with bull**** about a coming racewar then carried out the deed. Seems like the main difference in what to call such acts is in fact race based.

Lord knows if a Muslim walked into that. Church and laid waist to those lives there be no hesitation about what conservatives would be calling it. And we certainly wouldn't be discussing what the poor shooter's mental state was at the time.
 
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Are you really trying to pin rapes and murders on a single political affiliation? You could come up with huge lists from either side for any crime. What is the point of this?


Why don't you follow the discussion and find out?
 
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If you agree with the statements of Mithros, then you must, by extension, believe that liberals and Democrats cater to black racists. I'm not prepared to agree with anyone who believes either party "caters" to racists who may, on balance, support the policies of one party over another.

If you read the whole post I agreed with part of it. I explicitily stated I did not agree that anyone is catering to racists.
 
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You missed the point I was making with the other poster, who understood and agreed with me. I said that it makes no difference whether you commit pre-meditated murder as a hate crime or just first-degree murder. The penalties for either crime are the same, either execution or life imprisonment, so why have a hate crime law? It's totally absurd. Murder has always been wrong no matter what you call it.

In cases this extreme there may be little practical difference. But not all cases are this extreme.

As a culture we have prided ourselves on protecting the freedom of people to be who they are, worship whom they will, speak with freedom and live with dignity. Murder based on race, creed, etc is even more disruptive to our social structure than murder alone.

I read the double standard bugs you.. I get it. I just think it's so far from the POINT of today it doesn't really matter.
 
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It's not bigotry to say that right wing conservatism has a racism problem. Again to reiterate, being a right wing conservative doesn't make you a racist. However, its' hard to deny that the vast majority of white racists are right wing conservatives. Furthermore, it's hard to deny that right wing conservatism caters to racists.

There IS a racism problem inside right wing conservative circles just like there's a terrorism problem within fundamentalist Islam.

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Oh yes it is!

Especially when you offer a picture to back up the bigoted claim, and not one single sociological study even hinting that the right is any more bigoted than the left. And, sir, in my experience and the blind attitude expressed in your post, I would say a possibly even bigger problem, only aimed at a different hate target.

What all Canadians know, is that everything, everything in America is race. Everything. Denzel Washington cannot be just a great actor, he has to be a "black" actor. What many of us know is that Americans hate each other, right vs left, Democrat vs Republican, them vs us. I, a long standing liberal who has supported causes you guys are getting arround to talking about immediately gets labelled a "con" or "neo con" simply for taking a stand similar to conservatives. That's bigotry with a capital ****ing "B".

We have ideological differences, not death threats over ****ing pizza. If there was ever an outright example of left wing hate that was it, and the fact I saw not one left winger in here denounce it. The left cannot point a bigoted finger at bigotry and claim the other guys are guilty.
 
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Now that shooter is saying that he did it to try and kickstart the race war. But that's just another quote which doesn't mean much to the intentionally obtuse.

For all of you that are a little slow on the uptake... he intended to start a race war by shooting blacks, which would never work, but, ironically, Obama condemns his actions, yet has done more than this guy could ever dream to increase racial tensions and make things tougher for the black community.

I wonder if Obama allowed himself a little... nah.
 
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That clears everything up. Good show. You are a master debater. Help yourself to a cookie.


I wasn't debating you.
 
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Terrorists in the middle East fill their youngers' heads with bull**** and then use them to carry out their heinous deads. This young one clearly had his head filled with with bull**** about a coming racewar then carried out the deed. Seems like the main difference in what to call such acts is in fact race based.

Lord knows if a Muslim walked into that. Church and laid waist to those lives there be no hesitation about what conservatives would be calling it. And we certainly wouldn't be discussing what the poor shooter's mental state was at the time.

And........ what's your point. I've clearly stated from the beginning and throughout this thread that the act was a murderous act of racism and that the young man likely had personal issues related to race that drove him to his actions. I have disputed, from the beginning, that this act was driven by political ideology, as some have attempted to do.

This was an act of racism. The intent was to strike at a strong symbol of black association and congregation.

Most, if not all, Muslim acts are acts of terrorism related to religious fanaticism. The intent in most is to strike out at symbols of government and/or capitalism when conducted in the west, as well as to strike at those in the Muslim world who aren't "pure" enough.

There isn't a single political ideology in the west, that I'm aware of, and certainly not conservatism or liberalism, that has as it's goal genocide of its opponents as each of the first two clearly do.
 
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But the homosexual part trumped the white part.

But it's still white on white which you said does not exist.
 
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If you read the whole post I agreed with part of it. I explicitily stated I did not agree that anyone is catering to racists.

But you agreed that there is a link between white racist extremism and conservative politics - I don't - no more than I agree that there is a link between black racist extremism and liberal politics.
 
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I wasn't debating you.

Get a 2nd cookie. You have out debated me again. Way to prove your point on the subject. :bravo:


If you get around to it, you could attempt to reply to the actual context of my post with an actual rebuttal since some people use this website to debate things. If you have time. If not, saying go read works too. Either way.
 
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But you agreed that there is a link between white racist extremism and conservative politics - I don't - no more than I agree that there is a link between black racist extremism and liberal politics.

No no no. I was not saying that. Probably just worded poorly.
 
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But you agreed that there is a link between white racist extremism and conservative politics - I don't - no more than I agree that there is a link between black racist extremism and liberal politics.

What I was agreeing to was that white racists identify themselves as conservatives more often than not in my experiences and understandings. Not in anyway meaning conservatives identify with racists.
 
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Typical typical.

Lunatic ultra conservative father gives his openly radical son a gun for his birthday. Guns laws need to be tightened so badly in this country and yet have so so many raving nuts on the right that are 100+ years behind the rest of the civilized world on this issue.



The sickest part of all is to see the republicans run around trying to pretend this has nothing to do with their pro gun ideology when it has everything to do with it.

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Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Typical typical.

Lunatic ultra conservative father gives his openly radical son a gun for his birthday. Guns laws need to be tightened so badly in this country and yet have so so many raving nuts on the right that are 100+ years behind the rest of the civilized world on this issue.

What gun laws would you suggest that would have prevented this?

The sickest part of all is to see the republicans run around trying to pretend this has nothing to do with their pro gun ideology when it has everything to do with it.

How does it have everything to do with it? Do you think this kid hated black people because the United States allows its citizens to own guns? I dont see the connection.
 
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What gun laws would you suggest that would have prevented this?



How does it have everything to do with it? Do you think this kid hated black people because the United States allows its citizens to own guns? I dont see the connection.


The kid was following basic Republican ideology 101. Try not to lie to our faces. Republicans scream on a daily basis how "Obama and people like him are taking away our country". (As if America is anymore theirs than ours)
 
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What gun laws would you suggest that would have prevented this?



How does it have everything to do with it? Do you think this kid hated black people because the United States allows its citizens to own guns? I dont see the connection.

Gosh! What could the connection be? Mentally ill racist man gets easy availabilty of guns and ammo? I dont understand the issue? Its so confusing.

Again:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Gosh. What can be done? Is there some sort of connection between mass shootings and the US? Could it be the soil composition? Something in the water? Who knows? :roll:
 
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Typical typical.

Lunatic ultra conservative father gives his openly radical son a gun for his birthday. Guns laws need to be tightened so badly in this country and yet have so so many raving nuts on the right that are 100+ years behind the rest of the civilized world on this issue.



The sickest part of all is to see the republicans run around trying to pretend this has nothing to do with their pro gun ideology when it has everything to do with it.

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And your'e " unaffiliated " ??

Lol !! No, your'e just a disingenuous leftist hack.

Baltimore has some of the toughest gun laws in the Nation. Hows it working put for them ?
 
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