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Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]
No they weren't, and besides the real reason for seat belt laws was to provide an unimpeachable pretext for policeman to stop people who weren't doing anything wrong I mean a police officers can't possibly be expected to really know if those black teenagers in the Chevy Impala cruising around the former East Bremerton K-mart really were wearing seatbelts, better pull them over and check, and once he does that, maybe he'll smell marijuana and open their bags. but he had probable cause to stop them because he reasonably believed they weren't belted. , big money from the insurance lobby didn't hurt either.
ok so what's your legal definition of "Extended"
ah, so you are asking to ban regular bolt action rifles firing standard hunting cartridges! BINGO! please write a sample statute that bans the M-24 and not the Remington 700, its parent platform. for that matter, find me a single person murdered with an M-24. really M-24 IS an R700, M-24 is just a service designation. and any rifle made for Olympics competition will outshoot the M-24.
I don't live in either Switzerland or Israel, tell you what, I'll compromise and agree to the Czech gun laws plus open carry. you get your mandatory training and certification from a shrink to get a gun license plus registration, i get my ability to carry and own any hardware I like...... oh and make it federal with strict federal preemption. sounds like a fair trade to me.
Yeah, the same kind of arguments was once made against seatbelt laws, too.
No they weren't, and besides the real reason for seat belt laws was to provide an unimpeachable pretext for policeman to stop people who weren't doing anything wrong I mean a police officers can't possibly be expected to really know if those black teenagers in the Chevy Impala cruising around the former East Bremerton K-mart really were wearing seatbelts, better pull them over and check, and once he does that, maybe he'll smell marijuana and open their bags. but he had probable cause to stop them because he reasonably believed they weren't belted. , big money from the insurance lobby didn't hurt either.
Hm, let me see here - you're saying that it's equally likely that LESS people would die if the shooter has, say, a 30-round extended mag for his pistol than if he 'only' has a 12-round mag? What you need to get, guy, is that we are not talking about what would or would not have happened in one particular instance. We are talking about LIKELIHOODS...and someone with a much larger magazine is much more likely to be able to fire his weapon more times before he needs to reload...and this means that he is MORE likely to kill MORE people. LIKELIHOODS, guy. No one knows what would or would not happen in one particular instance...but when we look at statistical LIKELIHOODS, the picture is much more easily understood.
ok so what's your legal definition of "Extended"
but in theory, every state with mandatory training should have fewer accidents then ANY state that does not, if that rule is not true, then mandatory training has no justification because the number of accidents are dependent on other factors.Oh - NOW you want to talk statistical likelihoods, hm? Thing about statistics is, it takes more than just a glance at the numbers before one can make a judgement using those numbers. How was the training conducted? What were the requirements for that training? Was it required before one purchased a new class of firearm? Or was it a one-time training that covered everything and nobody needs the training a second time? And was the training really required, was it mandatory in nature? Or was it just offered to those who wanted it, since such people are more likely to be safe gun owners anyway?
we both live near the same town, lets you and I audit the OC course in stats together.I really suggest you take some courses in stats, that you can learn how easy it is for statistics to be flawed...and how incredibly accurate they can be when properly gathered.
There very much is a distinction between the rifles you listed above and the higher-end sniper rifles that the military uses today. The M24 system has an effective firing range that is three times that of the M1 Garand.
ah, so you are asking to ban regular bolt action rifles firing standard hunting cartridges! BINGO! please write a sample statute that bans the M-24 and not the Remington 700, its parent platform. for that matter, find me a single person murdered with an M-24. really M-24 IS an R700, M-24 is just a service designation. and any rifle made for Olympics competition will outshoot the M-24.
And again, I believe you'll find that just about ALL first-world democracies - including Switzerland and Israel - already do have laws with all the requirements I listed previously.
I don't live in either Switzerland or Israel, tell you what, I'll compromise and agree to the Czech gun laws plus open carry. you get your mandatory training and certification from a shrink to get a gun license plus registration, i get my ability to carry and own any hardware I like...... oh and make it federal with strict federal preemption. sounds like a fair trade to me.