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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Sometimes it's hard to see these things man. My parents thought something was wrong with me because when some kids would go outside to play, I'd stay indoors with my sketchbooks. I'd say I hated the way the sun hit my cheeks, but they thought I was slightly antisocial. I just really enjoyed coloring and drawing. As I grew older, I figured out a way to balance it all and they toned down but it's not always that easy to notice. The kid may have been in his room playing video games or reading and they just thought he was the intellectual type or the geeky kid. So they might be a little clueless but sometimes it's just that people get the wrong idea.

I am not so worried about the alone time, but the fact that parents need to know their kids well enough to know what is actually going on with their kids.
 
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There are stories out there trying to piece together a profile of the shooter. Some of the kids he went to school with said he was a pill popper. He had pending charges for possession of prescription drugs in February and trespassing in April of this year. On his Facebook page his friends were both black and white.

It isn't just the fact he chose black folks as his victims. He also chose people of faith congregated at church of worship to carry out his heinous crime. A place where there wouldn't likely be anyone around to physically stop him.

So while everyone tries to figure out this 21 year old man's reasons for what he did and who is to blame, (the drugs, the parents, the internet,) it is important to remember sometimes there are those among us who are just evil.

I completely agree with this.

I read Helter Skelter years ago, and realized that some folks are just really, really evil.

This is exactly why I carry a gun every day, but I also pray fervently that I will never have to use it.

And, yes, I do carry at church every week.
 
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There are stories out there trying to piece together a profile of the shooter. Some of the kids he went to school with said he was a pill popper. He had pending charges for possession of prescription drugs in February and trespassing in April of this year. On his Facebook page his friends were both black and white.

It isn't just the fact he chose black folks as his victims. He also chose people of faith congregated at church of worship to carry out his heinous crime. A place where there wouldn't likely be anyone around to physically stop him.

So while everyone tries to figure out this 21 year old man's reasons for what he did and who is to blame, (the drugs, the parents, the internet,) it is important to remember sometimes there are those among us who are just evil.

Someone in another section posted a link to a Daily Beast piece opining that the GOP contributed to this guy's maniacal act. Everyone is quick to rush to judgment here. And the reality is, nobody knows yet. I watch a lot of true crime shows, and you are exactly right - there are people who are born evil. At 21 years old he didn't even have enough time to spin too much in his head about who he hated. 6 years ago he was the same age as my youngest son who today worries about acne and girls more than anything else.

I think there were probably a lot of things that were inside this very sick individual, and he may very well have chosen this church for the reason you said - nobody theoretically would be able to defend himself or herself.

It's typical in this country lately for the conspiracy theorists to run amok right out of the gate. He may have had a bad reaction to drugs. It wouldn't be the first time. He may have had a tumor the size of Arkansas in his brain. It will take time to find out what was in his mind, if ever at all.
 
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I completely agree with this.

I read Helter Skelter years ago, and realized that some folks are just really, really evil.

This is exactly why I carry a gun every day, but I also pray fervently that I will never have to use it.

And, yes, I do carry at church every week.

I read HS too, and had nightmares for days. Those people epitomized evil. Toss in psychedelic drugs, and look what you ended up with.
 
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Why is it that when black people decide to kill whites, it is never considered a hate crime?

When black people kill white people the blacks are "thugs" or "terrorists." When white people kill blacks the whites are "mentally disturbed." ;)
 
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The options available to police are nearly identical as they concern use of tactics and escalations. That is what YOUR article shows. The resolution to these incidents is nearly indentical, once again ACROSS THE BOARD and in spite of "many factors". That demonstrates without a doubt that if we can have situations where cops can apprehend dangerous and armed suspects without violence, there is absolutely no reason for them to not be able to deal with 13 year olds and their toys. Are we done here? Or are you going to make another post where you simply go on and on without an actual point?

That's an amusing tactic. When you don't like the point made by another - pretend it doesn't exist.

Go ahead and keep trying to portray Rice's killing in a larger conspiracy theorist light, rather than the localized and isolated event it really was. I think others can clearly see what's going on.

We're done here.
 
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Funny how right wingers love to say Muslims are threats yet more people in America have been killed by right wing attacks than Muslim extremists since 9/11. Condolences to the victims.

Actually with rare exception the mass shooters have turned out to be leftwingers.
 
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As we struggle to answer this question and to make sense of this latest mass killing, I am going to ask some difficult but necessary questions to everyone:

1. Had all of the events prior to and during this mass killing been exactly the same, with the sole difference that Roof had been a nonwhite Muslim, then how would the language of and the coverage by major US media outlets have been different?
2. Had all of the events prior to and during this mass killing been exactly the same, including the media coverage, with the sole difference that Roof had been a nonwhite Muslim, then how, if at all, would your personal response to this tragedy have been any different?

You don't have to reply to this post. You don't have to answer these questions right now. But I do want y'all to think them over.

Answers

1. We need to stop giving a damn about the media's language.
2. It wouldn't have been any different. Whether you call it terrorism, mass murder, shooting spree, etc....the victims are dead. We should be focusing on the crime, not the politics.
 
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the gunman reloaded fives times and told a victim, “I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”​

Cousin of Charleston Pastor: Shooter Said

Gee, sounds like a hate crime to me. But then I'm one of those dreaded 'liberals', and you know how we are.
 
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That's an amusing tactic. When you don't like the point made by another - pretend it doesn't exist.

Wake up and recognize there was never a point from you. I made a statement, you didn't like it, then substantiated it with your own sources showing that my statement was in fact correct. Move along? K thanks.

Go ahead and keep trying to portray Rice's killing in a larger conspiracy theorist light, rather than the localized and isolated event it really was. I think others can clearly see what's going on.

We're done here.

Lol, conspiracy theorist? There is no conspiracy theory. You just don't like what I stated and then proved it correct. Do you know what a conspiracy is? :shrug:
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Someone in another section posted a link to a Daily Beast piece opining that the GOP contributed to this guy's maniacal act. Everyone is quick to rush to judgment here. And the reality is, nobody knows yet. I watch a lot of true crime shows, and you are exactly right - there are people who are born evil. At 21 years old he didn't even have enough time to spin too much in his head about who he hated. 6 years ago he was the same age as my youngest son who today worries about acne and girls more than anything else.

I think there were probably a lot of things that were inside this very sick individual, and he may very well have chosen this church for the reason you said - nobody theoretically would be able to defend himself or herself.

It's typical in this country lately for the conspiracy theorists to run amok right out of the gate. He may have had a bad reaction to drugs. It wouldn't be the first time. He may have had a tumor the size of Arkansas in his brain. It will take time to find out what was in his mind, if ever at all.

I just caught a few minutes of Greta Van Susteren's show. By witness accounts, this killer walked into the church and asked someone to identify the pastor. The congregation was black and they welcomed this white man to join them in service and was given the a seat of honor next to the pastor. He sat there while they prayed, sang praises, and heard a sermon almost an hour before he stood up and started killing folks. If that isn't sheer evil, I don't know what is.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

I just caught a few minutes of Greta Van Susteren's show. By witness accounts, this killer walked into the church and asked someone to identify the pastor. The congregation was black and they welcomed this white man to join them in service and was given the a seat of honor next to the pastor. He sat there while they prayed, sang praises, and heard a sermon almost an hour before he stood up and started killing folks. If that isn't sheer evil, I don't know what is.

I knew evil was real the day I heard about a 21 year old walking into a classroom of innocent 6 year olds and shooting them. It's real. It exists. It's awful.

This is a special kind of evil to sit there for an hour with this festering in your mind.
 
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This sounds sadly familiar--"[Uncle Carson]Cowles said he recognized Roof in a photo released by police, and described him as quiet and soft-spoken."..."Nobody in my family had seen anything like this coming"..."too introverted"..."I said he was like 19 years old, he still didn't have a job, a driver's license or anything like that and he just stayed in his room a lot of the time."

South Carolina church shooting suspect got gun for birthday, uncle says

Introverted, didn't have a job, no driver's license, stayed in his room and got a gun for his birthday. That's does sound sadly familiar.
 
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Introverted, didn't have a job, no driver's license, stayed in his room and got a gun for his birthday. That's does sound sadly familiar.

The Columbine guys could drive.... and so could this guy...
 
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The Columbine guys could drive.... and so could this guy...


I was thinking more along the lines of Adam Lanza.
 
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The Columbine guys could drive.... and so could this guy...

Didn't he manage to drive something like 200 miles before he was caught?
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

I just caught a few minutes of Greta Van Susteren's show. By witness accounts, this killer walked into the church and asked someone to identify the pastor. The congregation was black and they welcomed this white man to join them in service and was given the a seat of honor next to the pastor. He sat there while they prayed, sang praises, and heard a sermon almost an hour before he stood up and started killing folks. If that isn't sheer evil, I don't know what is.

Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

His behavior doesn't make sense! Random killing of strangers seldom does, but inside a church, after listening to songs of praise and hearing a sermon? :shock:
 
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Who said I feared that? Why are you so obsessed with blaming a murderous act on politics?

All I am asking is the questions so the subject can be discussed.

I would say that when a person kills nine persons and makes statements like those attributed to the alleged killer - those are strong warning signs pointing to political grievances as at least part of the motivation.
 
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I was thinking more along the lines of Adam Lanza.

That was my first thought...same expression on his face too. I am speculating, but I would not be surprised if the story is the same. A long history of mental illness since grade school and off his meds as a adult.
 
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I was thinking more along the lines of Adam Lanza.

He also drove... He drove his mom's car to the school... I'm not trying to be a dick... I swear, a lot of these guys had their own vehicles.
 
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All I am asking is the questions so the subject can be discussed.

I would say that when a person kills nine persons and makes statements like those attributed to the alleged killer - those are strong warning signs pointing to political grievances as at least part of the motivation.

Of course you are.

Minimal details, and you desperately flail around looking for a political label to paint a particular party.

Never let a good tragedy go to waste to further your own political agenda.

At least let the victims be buried first.
 
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Didn't he manage to drive something like 200 miles before he was caught?

It looks like the little bastard had obviously done some research first.

Hopefully that will negate an insanity plea.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Didn't he manage to drive something like 200 miles before he was caught?
Gee, maybe he broke the law and drove without a license.
 
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It looks like the little bastard had obviously done some research first.

Hopefully that will negate an insanity plea.

That depends on his lawyer. There are probably half a dozen or so of those blood suckers lined up to take on the insanity case (and get a lot of publicity in the bargain).
 
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