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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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What sane person goes into a church and kills 9 people, well besides Muslims in Syria, but I digress.

So... wait.. Muslims who go and kill people in Syrian churches... are completely sane... but white kills 9 black people in church and he's insane? How? What's your rationale for either? Seems to me like what's good for the goose is not goose for the gander. The burden of proof is on you to show something other than "because I say so". However, I'm not holding my breath seeing our little exchange on 'political strategists'. He picked a target, planned out his action and committed his act. There's no indication that he was insane, at least not at the moment. So what makes him insane other than you're outraged at his actions?
 
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I'm not into FB and the other stupid social media stuff, but AFAIK in order to be on that "friends" list the owner of the page has to accept the friendship request. So yes, it does say something that a supposed racist would accept their target of hate as friends.

Lmao, not really. He could have added people for the sole reason of gathering some sort of evidence to support his views. FB isn't a one way street, you know. He was wearing an apartheid South Africa flag and a Rhodesia flag. There is no question about his views on race anymore so there is no need to say it's a "supposed racist".
 
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Pol Pot, Lennin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez....oh yea most authoritarians are Conservatives.....Lol
Not only do have a hard time counting, are you going to argue that these totalitarians were liberals?

Good luck with that.
 
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Friends on FB mean absolutely nothing about a person's views on a specific topic.

I don't have a Facebook presence, so I'll leave you to your expertise. I do understand that the needy collect thousands of "friends," but in my ignorant and limited experience (generally, family and friends and their friends and a few causes), you can get a sense of who a person is on FB or of the persona he's playing. This mass murderer lists no family, no music, no anything. As an expert, can you draw a conclusion from this? Do you think this mentally ill young man went around collecting "friends"? If so, what does this say about him?
 
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Your comment was the same as multiple other cons in this thread, the focus is punishment (typical con/authoritarian position) and to bury the problem as soon as possible.

If it was racially motivated, or religious hatred, or because the alter boy broke up with him or whatever excuse if any he gives, in the end, 9 people are dead. Countless more traumatized. Does his reason really matter?
 
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I don't have a Facebook presence, so I'll leave you to your expertise. I do understand that the needy collect thousands of "friends," but in my ignorant and limited experience (generally, family and friends and their friends and a few causes), you can get a sense of who a person is on FB or of the persona he's playing. This mass murderer lists no family, no music, no anything. As an expert, can you draw a conclusion from this? Do you think this mentally ill young man went around collecting "friends"? If so, what does this say about him?

I'm no expert on social media (academically speaking) but I do know that FB is a terrible reflection of who people are. I have 1000 people on my current FB list, and I rarely talk to most of them. The overwhelming majority are people who I've met through work. The people who I do talk to are either family members or close family friends. If somebody were to draw a conclusion from my FB account, they'd say I'm a socialite who is everything from an anti-vaxer (laughable really) to a gun nut (even more so). Yet, here I am being neither of those things and being extremely low key about my personal relationships.
 
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What makes him mentally ill?

That he saw 10 people in a Bible study meeting as a threat that needed to be exterminated would be the first clue.
 
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That he saw 10 people in a Bible study meeting as a threat that needed to be exterminated would be the first clue.

None of this makes him mentally ill. Irrational? Maybe. Murderous? Definitely. Mentally ill? Nope.
 
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Not only do have a hard time counting, are you going to argue that these totalitarians were liberals?

Good luck with that.

No I'll leave the subjective definitions of whats " Liberal " and what's " Conservative " to you.
 
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I think you need to know his politics. I don't. His actions are a symptom of mental illness and not the other way around. When you can post your bona fides to make a clinical diagnosis, let me know.

same time you do. I do NOT need to be an automobile mechanic or engineer to care about if cars are safe or if the speed limit is proper. No citizen does. Same here with this issue.

Why are you so afraid of examining the question as to if someone embracing extremist politics can cause a form of mental illness detaching them from reality?

I suspect people who do not want the questions asked are deathly afraid the answers may not be to their liking.
 
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So... wait.. Muslims who go and kill people in Syrian churches... are completely sane... but white kills 9 black people in church and he's insane? How? What's your rationale for either? Seems to me like what's good for the goose is not goose for the gander. The burden of proof is on you to show something other than "because I say so". However, I'm not holding my breath seeing our little exchange on 'political strategists'. He picked a target, planned out his action and committed his act. There's no indication that he was insane, at least not at the moment. So what makes him insane other than you're outraged at his actions?

Who ever said that Radical Muslims are sane?
 
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So... wait.. Muslims who go and kill people in Syrian churches... are completely sane... but white kills 9 black people in church and he's insane? How? What's your rationale for either? Seems to me like what's good for the goose is not goose for the gander. The burden of proof is on you to show something other than "because I say so". However, I'm not holding my breath seeing our little exchange on 'political strategists'. He picked a target, planned out his action and committed his act. There's no indication that he was insane, at least not at the moment. So what makes him insane other than you're outraged at his actions?
Who said I thought jihadists are sane? You've made a pretty huge jump in logic here. No rational person would kill nine people in a church. Are you defending him?
 
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Right.

I'm going to speculate a little here but my guess is that he had a crush on a girl that ended up dating a black guy and that's what set this off. The whole "You're raping our women" thing just screams more sexual than racial.

Don't know. Willing to wait.
 
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You know, while I probably agree more than disagree with the sentiment, can't you wait until the bodies are at least cold to start using it for your favorite political position?

This is a political forum.
Every day on this forum when blacks or other minorities are targets of violence or police abuse conservatives tell us that hate crime laws are unnecessary and racist, that racism is over, that whites are the most likely victims of racism, that ordinary American Muslims are a threat and that government investigations into white hate groups is unnecessary and unfair. This one incident alone shows how wrong they are.

This is a good example (assuming the shooting was actually racially motivated) of why hate crime laws are best described as anti-domestic terrorism laws.
 
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What makes him mentally ill?

Good question. Some here seem afraid to explore that question and seem even more afraid of the possible answers.
 
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Good job sticking to the facts
The man is a conservative so there are some given facts that go along with that...
 
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same time you do.

Why are you so afraid of examining the question as to if someone embracing extremist politics can cause a form of mental illness detaching them from reality?

I suspect people who do not want the questions asked are deathly afraid the answers may not be to their liking.

If it serves your interests to confuse cause with effect, go for it. I don't have that problem myself. I can differentiate symptoms from diseases because I'm not irrational. For example, that ceaseless itching between your toes is not the illness itself. It's a symptom of a fungal infection. Science is wonderful that way. If however, you wish to go on a witch doctor crusade, have at it.
 
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sawdust said:
What sane person goes into a church and kills 9 people, well besides Muslims in Syria, but I digress.

Who said I thought jihadists are sane? You've made a pretty huge jump in logic here. No rational person would kill nine people in a church. Are you defending him?

Who ever said that Radical Muslims are sane?

Either you learn to write, or you're backtracking. You, sawdust, just asked what type of sane person does this besides Muslims in Syria. If I ask for example: What baseball player has 700 home runs, besides Barry Bonds? I'm not excluding Barry Bonds. I'm not saying that Barry Bonds doesn't have 700 home runs. I am saying that Barry Bonds and some other (yet to be named) players have 700 home runs. If you ask what kind of sane person does this besides Muslims in Syria, you are saying that Muslims in Syria are sane and you're asking about other people who commit this type of crime. Your sentence does not mean what you thought it means and I'd suggest changing it.
 
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It means exactly what it says - no facial hair.

Doesn't clean shaven usually mean the face not the head?

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His medieval "bowl" hair cut does not look very skinhead like.

The picture looked more like "bowl cut".


They didn't have a picture of him when I said that. But now that there is one I couldn't agree more...it definitely looks like a bowl cut.
 
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https://www.facebook.com/people/Dylann-Roof/100009674437955



well he also has a ton of black facebook friends from his hometown...



These ****ing psychos make no sense sometimes. /facepalm

Except they DO make sense. They are wired wrong. They are mentally ill. That is likely the case with this one too. He will have previous signs that went unnoticed. I wonder if his Facebook shows signs?
 
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If it serves your interests to confuse cause with effect, go for it. I don't have that problem myself. I can differentiate symptoms from diseases because I'm not irrational. For example, that ceaseless itching between your toes is not the illness itself. It's a symptom of a fungal infection. Science is wonderful that way. If however, you wish to go on a witch doctor crusade, have at it.

You seem to be convinced that mental illness is what causes political extremism rather than people who willfully embrace extremist politics and thus separate from reality and then mentally ill. As I told you previously in some cases it could well be the way you see it and in other case it could be the other way around.

You want to invoke science on your side? Fine. Present your scientific findings. All I am doing is asking questions looking for the answers. If you have them, present the evidence for those answers and it will be welcomed.

Quite frankly, I strongly suspect that some folks here want to protect their own turf and don't want these things explored for fear of the consequences.
 
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Checked out his fb page and friends pages. Couple things. His page is private but a few of his friends are posting screenshots since they can see it. They are also posting other pics.

A lot of the people didn't really know him.

Quite a few of the black friends he has, many didn't know him, but lived nearby or went to his school. Many of them have white girlfriends or pics of them with white girls. Most of his female friends who are white have pics with black guys.

I am thinking, just my opinion based off the fb digging, either some girl left him for a black guy, or some girl rejected him and is dating a black guy.
 
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I find it remarkable that some here are fixated on attaching a political ideology to a violent act as if political ideologies are inherently violent or any individual who adheres to a political philosophy is susceptible to violence as a result. What different cultures we live in. Here in Canada, a mass murder's political ideology would never even be of passing interest let alone the focus of analysis or investigation.
 
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I find it remarkable that some here are fixated on attaching a political ideology to a violent act as if political ideologies are inherently violent or any individual who adheres to a political philosophy is susceptible to violence as a result. What different cultures we live in. Here in Canada, a mass murder's political ideology would never even be of passing interest let alone the focus of analysis or investigation.

Why are some here obviously afraid of answering the questions as to what made this man this so extremely racist that he would this?

Answer that and wisdom will follow.
 
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