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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Oh, I'm sorry. You must not have heard that those laws were stricken down by the Supreme Court a 'few' months past. I even remember certain websites claiming how crime was dropping last year because concealed carry was being allowed in Chicago - even though those articles were posted before the changes in the law went into effect -- Chicago Murder Rate drops when Concealed Carry becomes Legal

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

Sept 2014 Crime Rates in Chicago Plummet After IL Implements Concealed Carry

and then there is reality CHICAGO SHOOTINGS UP 40 PERCENT IN FIRST QUARTER OF 2015, CPD SAYS

Without intention to do so, your links have supported virtually every point I have made on the gun control issue. That includes the last link which you likely believed was going to shoot down my argument. Instead it addressed my point on this nation's revolving door justice system. Concealed carry did not increase the number of guns available on the street. There is always going to be some a**h*** willing to smuggle in guns. The problem is that those arrested who commit violent crimes with guns are back on the street before the ink on the arrest paperwork is dry.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

What does the number of legal concealed carry people have to do with what I answered? I seem to remember a few words here and there about how more "legal" gun carriers would cause crime rates to drop. Are you saying that's not true.

You proved that to be the case with the first two links you posted to me. However concealed carry laws do not address a revolving door criminal justice system that your last link pointed out. The problem with so many of you on the gun control side is that you hate the right to bear arms, however when someone is arrested with an illegally possessed gun, you lack any concern about how long before the offender is back on the streets to do it again.
 
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Then Mr Lawyer, LOL, post white on white hate crimes. Name a few. Based solely on skin color and or race.

Actually, here, I looked it up. The FBI actually has a table for that- https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...wn_offenders_race_by_bias_motivation_2013.xls

White offenders prosecuted for anti-white racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 176
Black offenders prosecuted for anti-black racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 85
Native American offenders prosecuted for anti-Native American racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 7
Asian offenders prosecuted for anti-Asian racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 1
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Not really.

Let's see....is there some other unique characteristic that makes the U.S. have multiple mass shootings a year?

Hmm.

Just the main two. We do not enforce the gun laws already on the books and we have a revolving door criminal justice system. That about covers it. All of these mass shooters have much in common.....drug abuse and mental illness.
 
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Lol, this is pretty silly. The US has higher recidivism rates than nations with far more lenient penal systems. It is quite hard to do hard time in the Canadian justice system. Yet their recidivism rate is far bellow ours.

Sorry. I don't buy it.
 
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And the shootings get more frequent....

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Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

We do not enforce the gun laws already on the books.

Which gun laws are you talking about?

All of these mass shooters have much in common.....drug abuse and mental illness.

Why do you ignore the direct influences on mass murders--web sites, hate groups ?
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Actually, here, I looked it up. The FBI actually has a table for that- https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...wn_offenders_race_by_bias_motivation_2013.xls

White offenders prosecuted for anti-white racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 176
Black offenders prosecuted for anti-black racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 85
Native American offenders prosecuted for anti-Native American racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 7
Asian offenders prosecuted for anti-Asian racially motivated hate crimes in 2013: 1

Dang them AZNs.
Seriously, its not the color of the skin. It was whom they were with, or whom they associated with, or whom they protected. Not just because they were of the same skin color.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

If we were having this discussion 50 years ago, you would arguably have a point. Even 50 years ago, the point wouldn't be that clear. Dixiecrats were socially conservative/economically liberal. Over time, they switched to being economically conservative- prompted by resentment of welfare, which they saw as being about taking money from whites and giving it to blacks. So, when the Democrats joined with some Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act, the Dixiecrats jumped ship and became Republicans en masse. Today, the folks who would have been Dixiecrats in those days are the tea party.

You are making it up as you go along. The truth is that 80% of the dixiecrats remained in the democrat party. So your enmasse suggestion is dishonest. As is your suggestion that today's tea partiers would have been dixiecrats in the civil rights era. The motivation of the dixiecrats was all about race. Today's Tea Partiers are about limited government and tax fairness.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Dang them AZNs.
Seriously, its not the color of the skin. It was whom they were with, or whom they associated with, or whom they protected. Not just because they were of the same skin color.

No, that wouldn't be a hate crime then.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

You are making it up as you go along. The truth is that 80% of the dixiecrats remained in the democrat party. So your enmasse suggestion is dishonest. As is your suggestion that today's tea partiers would have been dixiecrats in the civil rights era. The motivation of the dixiecrats was all about race. Today's Tea Partiers are about limited government and tax fairness.

No, that isn't true at all. For example, in the last election before the Civil Rights Act in Mississippi, 75% of the population voted Democratic with virtually every white voting Democratic and virtually every black voting Republican. Then, the very next election, 75% of the population voted Republican, with nearly every white voting Republican and nearly every black voting Democratic. The Dixiecrats flipped parties overnight there. In other states, like Alabama, it was a slower process because a few Dixiecrats kept running as Democrats for a while, but obviously Alabama also ended up switching. The whole south did. Now, those same districts that were solid Dixiecrat are solid Tea Party.

Come on man, you really didn't know that?
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Just the main two. We do not enforce the gun laws already on the books and we have a revolving door criminal justice system. That about covers it. All of these mass shooters have much in common.....drug abuse and mental illness.

Hmm. But drug abuse and mental illness are just as prevalent in other developed countries.

You may be on to something about enforcing strict gun laws though. Maybe we should look at, say, Europe and see what they do.
 
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She is not a white supremacist. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

Wow, that came full circle quickly... Turns out Dylann had a website where he laid out why he committed the murders. He says the moment when he realized he needed to do this was when he came upon the website of the Council of Conservative Citizens. The CCC is a white supremacist group. Guess who endorses them? Ann Coulter.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

If we were having this discussion 50 years ago, you would arguably have a point. Even 50 years ago, the point wouldn't be that clear. Dixiecrats were socially conservative/economically liberal. Over time, they switched to being economically conservative- prompted by resentment of welfare, which they saw as being about taking money from whites and giving it to blacks. So, when the Democrats joined with some Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act, the Dixiecrats jumped ship and became Republicans en masse. Today, the folks who would have been Dixiecrats in those days are the tea party.

Whats different ?

The Democrat party has always wanted to control the minority population.

First through overt racism, and policies like Jim Crow, and now through Policies and narratives that create dependance and instill a victim mentality.

Its their way of guaranteeing a voting block, and its insidious and despicable.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Whats different ?

The Democrat party has always wanted to control the minority population.

First through overt racism, and policies like Jim Crow, and now through Policies and narratives that create dependance and instill a victim mentality.

Its their way of guaranteeing a voting block, and its insidious and despicable.

LOL. Let's try to stick to serious discussion, ok?
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Hmm. But drug abuse and mental illness are just as prevalent in other developed countries.


You may be on to something about enforcing strict gun laws though. Maybe we should look at, say, Europe and see what they do.

Why are you Libs so intent on a devolving American Society ? Becoming more like Europe ?

Anyway, we cannot even enforce our immigration laws which consequently leaves us with a very porous Southern border.

A border that could easily become a source for illegal weapons entering into the Untied states IF something like a outright gun ban was ever instituted. ( never happen )

And I'm pretty sure we already have strict gun laws.

Especially in places like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit and St Louis.

For some reason people keep breaking those laws and shooting each other.
 
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Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

We cannot even enforce our immigration laws which consequently leaves us with a very porous Southern border.

A border that could easily become a source for illegal weapons entering into the Untied states.

And I'm pretty sure we already have strict gun laws.

Especially in places like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit and St Louis.

For some reason people keep breaking those laws and shooting each other.

Hmm. Other countries have borders.

And I don't think Mexican nationals are doing the mass murders. White guys mostly are.

But you might have a point on the gun laws, considering that Indiana, Missouri and Virginia have really lax gun laws and we have no border control (another good point!) between states.
 
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Hmm. Other countries have borders.

And I don't think Mexican nationals are doing the mass murders. White guys mostly are.

But you might have a point on the gun laws, considering that Indiana, Missouri and Virginia have really lax gun laws and we have no border control (another good point!) between states.


I didn't say Mexican Nationals were doing the mass killings, at least not here.

Plenty of mass killings in Northern Mexico BTW.

What I meant is if there ever was a outright gun ban, if we ever devolved down into some copy of some European Nation, the flow of illegal arms into the States from Mexico would mean only the criminals would be armed.

Thats just a horrible idea. Its as bad of a idea as letting some random nuts actions dictate Gun policy on a National level.

Maybe we would see some of those Guns that Holder let walk into the hands of the murderous Mexican Cartels make it back home.
 
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The usual misinterpretation to fit your needs, not unexpected.

How about these words from Obama...

"The fact that this took place in a black church also raises questions about a dark part of our history,"

WTF is this jerk talking about? What questions? What is this moron trying to say, so inarticulately? He is always ready, ever prepared, to put down this country and it's people, even though it was an act by a single individual.

Boy, did we get the short end of the stick, as a country, when he stepped into office.

So you hate quotes then you bring one that shows you also hate history unless it's blowing smoke up your ass.

You're too funny.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

LOL. Let's try to stick to serious discussion, ok?

So blacks under the first black President are doing better or worse ?

Gun Violence in inner city areas run by Democrat monopolies for decades is increasing or decreasing ?

There's the typical and expected Democrat narratives and then there's the reality of effects of left wing policies and iniatives on minorities.

I prefer to exist in the real world.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

So blacks under the first black President are doing better or worse ?

Gun Violence in inner city areas run by Democrat monopolies for decades is increasing or decreasing ?

There's the typical and expected Democrat narratives and then there's the reality of effects of left wing policies and iniatives on minorities.

I prefer to exist in the real world.

Stuff you read on Breitbart or hear callers on right wing hate radio say is not "the real world." It is a line of propaganda designed to enrage morons into hanging around long enough to rack up a lot of ad views and ratings. You seriously can't tell that? Come on.
 
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Thats just a horrible idea. Its as bad of a idea as letting some random nuts actions dictate Gun policy on a National level.

.

Yeah. We could have like, 15000 peoples year get killed with guns if that happens.

Horrible.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

So you hate quotes then you bring one that shows you also hate history unless it's blowing smoke up your ass.

You're too funny.

Boy, it is clear that the last thing you want to do is directly take me on. You steer clear of the subject, and comment on the fringe stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being debated. I quoted someone, and instead of taking on the quote, you focus on the fact that I used a quote! LOL! You can't make this stuff up!

I've been saying for years that the left must use tactics like misleading and staying away from the point to be involved in debates. You've proved that out, once again.

Get back to me when you put together a few thoughts.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

So blacks under the first black President are doing better or worse ?

Gun Violence in inner city areas run by Democrat monopolies for decades is increasing or decreasing ?

There's the typical and expected Democrat narratives and then there's the reality of effects of left wing policies and initiatives on minorities.

I prefer to exist in the real world.

Forget about getting a straight answer on those points.
 
Re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

Boy, it is clear that the last thing you want to do is directly take me on. You steer clear of the subject, and comment on the fringe stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with what is being debated. I quoted someone, and instead of taking on the quote, you focus on the fact that I used a quote! LOL! You can't make this stuff up!

I've been saying for years that the left must use tactics like misleading and staying away from the point to be involved in debates. You've proved that out, once again.

Get back to me when you put together a few thoughts.


Collectivists are usually afraid to lace on the gloves and climb into the ring--for good reason. They are all too aware of how weak their game it. So they content themselves with sitting outside, yapping and frothing like little Yorkies.
 
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