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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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Threegoofs said:
Wrong.

Just pointing out that mass murder by gunfire is a common occurence in the US, where its virtually unknown in other developed nations. Seems like precisely the time to point out that we may have the power to stop the next one.

I'll repost for clarity. Yes, it is satirical. Yes, it does not have solutions. But it points to the fact that the solutions can exist, yet 'partisans goring each others oxen' may be precisely why they are not implemented.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

I'll even reproduce the short story for those who cant bear to click on the link:



Now if you think a bit.... what do other countries have that we dont have? Racism? nope. Mental illness? nope. Angry youth? nope. Hmm... what could it be?
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I'm not sure why you reposted your Onion piece in a reply to me.

And I guess you're unfamiliar with the Dunblane (Scotland) school massacre or the Norwegian killer who shot all those campers a few years ago or the mall shootings in Nairobi, or the even more recent mass murders in Paris.
 
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Politicshead said:
S.Carolina state senator Clementa Pinckney was one of the victims.
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Very sad and my heart goes out to his family but his death isn't anymore tragic than the other victims as the media seems to be implying.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Because white on white is not a hate crime.
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Oh contraire mon Pere. I seem to remember a white killed by a white for being a homosexual was deemed a hate crime.
 
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jmotivator said:
He doesn't need to be alive to talk. When you know who the person is you have access to their home, their social network, and a hundred other things that will speak for him, dead or alive.
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Not true. A live one can give the names of other party's in his little hate circle. Very very valuable.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Wrong.

Just pointing out that mass murder by gunfire is a common occurence in the US, where its virtually unknown in other developed nations. Seems like precisely the time to point out that we may have the power to stop the next one.

I'll repost for clarity. Yes, it is satirical. Yes, it does not have solutions. But it points to the fact that the solutions can exist, yet 'partisans goring each others oxen' may be precisely why they are not implemented.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

I'll even reproduce the short story for those who cant bear to click on the link:



Now if you think a bit.... what do other countries have that we dont have? Racism? nope. Mental illness? nope. Angry youth? nope. Hmm... what could it be?
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lets say it is guns-250 years of citizens being able to freely buy and own guns. and that is not the case in Europe where despotic governments and conquerers disarmed people. So what is your solution? you cannot go back to the 1700s and disarm people retroactively

and given that the politics of gun banners is 99% leftwing, we have a jaundiced view that the calls for gun control are actually designed to prevent crime
 
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Fenton said:
Seriously ?

You're politicizing the deaths of 9 people ?
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It's a political website. What do you expect.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Oh contraire mon Pere. I seem to remember a white killed by a white for being a homosexual was deemed a hate crime.
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But the homosexual part trumped the white part.
 
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Ive read a lot of the comments on this subject and really...the whole thing just has my head shaking. One man...an obviously racially motivated terrorist attack. The end. From that people are arguing left, right, conservative, liberal, republicans, democrats, Obama, gay people, black panthers, etc etc etc...

This twisted little bastard has admitted he hoped his actions would cause a race war. Its not hard to see why he thought it might work.
 
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rhinefire said:
Oh really?! Like all the Nazi liberal media this is instantly a HATE crime. No one, I repeat no one knows anything yet but the NEW NAZI PARTY or liberals as they used to be called, push the plunger and the explosion of "racism" is scattered everywhere. This is exactly what happens in dictatorships, don't wait for FACTS believe what instead the media tells you.
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Nazi liberal? That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one!

Good grief man you really need to get an education.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
You stated that there is "no connection". First, that statement is a completed judgement. Second, racism - like every other 'ism' out there - plays a part in politics, not only on a national or regional level, but also on a personal level.

Third, when I connect conservative politics to racism, I'm normally referring to Southern Conservative politics...and yes sir, in the Deep South, politics and racism are deeply entwined indeed. Anyone who says differently does so out either out of ignorance or is being intentionally misleading.

Now, does all that absolutely guarantee that conservative politics led to the massacre? No. But modern conservative politics encourages a societal climate that makes such tragedies more likely. Here's a great example: in the 1950's and 1960's, did the conservative politicians in the Deep South condone lynchings? Of course not - those racist politicians condemned the lynchings again and again. But did their openly racist statements and policies make those same lynchings more likely? Yep, sure did.

So the answer to the question of whether conservative politics led to the massacre in SC is: at least to some extent, almost certainly.
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More bigoted nonsense. You're right, I did say there's no connection to political ideology - there isn't, at this point in time - to suggest there is, is simply your attempt to make it political so that, as usual, the left can hammer away at conservatives as ideologically racist. People on the right, such as myself, simply dismiss you as a bigot when we see and hear such statements as yours. You talk about modern conservatism and then talk about the 1950s and 60s - geeze.

If and when it becomes clear that this 21yr old was somehow steeped in conservative politics and had some grand master plan to rid the world of liberals, then I'll admit to it. Until then, I'm not playing your game. What we know is that this young man was/is a racist and this young man had issues with black men having relationships with white women. Some have speculated that he experienced a black man taking away a white girl he liked - I don't know - but clearly from what we've seen he had a great deal of unnatural animus towards black people.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
More bigoted nonsense. You're right, I did say there's no connection to political ideology - there isn't, at this point in time - to suggest there is, is simply your attempt to make it political so that, as usual, the left can hammer away at conservatives as ideologically racist. People on the right, such as myself, simply dismiss you as a bigot when we see and hear such statements as yours. You talk about modern conservatism and then talk about the 1950s and 60s - geeze.

If and when it becomes clear that this 21yr old was somehow steeped in conservative politics and had some grand master plan to rid the world of liberals, then I'll admit to it. Until then, I'm not playing your game. What we know is that this young man was/is a racist and this young man had issues with black men having relationships with white women. Some have speculated that he experienced a black man taking away a white girl he liked - I don't know - but clearly from what we've seen he had a great deal of unnatural animus towards black people.
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Even if he was "steeped in conservative politics", the fact that he took away the wrong message is only an indictment of him personally. Conservative politics in no way promotes racial mass murder.
 
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haymarket said:
Racism and white supremacy are indeed extremist views. His political agenda - based on photo's and reported comments he made - was the denial of power to minorities he hated via their destruction and death. We seem to have some glaring examples of just that sort of tactic throughout history by other fanatic political extremists.
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Okay - sounds fair - now show me which parts of conservative ideology or the Republican party platform that promote the "denial of power to minorities" and "their destruction and death". I'll wait.
 
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solletica said:
You're neglecting the fact that SC and the rest of the Deep South are still vehemently racist. The guy didn't start a race war; a race war already exists in that part of the country.

Despite the image SC officials are trying to portray to the rest of the country, the perp who shot up the church will be hailed as a hero by most of the Whites living in SC.
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That's a huge and unfair exaggeration. As I've said there still exists a significant racist element in the South, but the share of people hailing this hateful coward as a hero is not more than low single digit percentages and more likely approaching zero percent.
 
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countryboy said:
Even if he was "steeped in conservative politics", the fact that he took away the wrong message is only an indictment of him personally. Conservative politics in no way promotes racial mass murder.
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Dylann Roof is steeped in the crazy, the individual crazy. He happened to fixate on race just as other mass murderers have fixated on girls who rejected them or schoolmates who were mean to them. Who knows what goes on in the twisted mind of a mass murderer except a shared need to be noticed?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Oh contraire mon Pere. I seem to remember a white killed by a white for being a homosexual was deemed a hate crime.
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I didn't realize Crue Cab was your father. Does he know?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Okay - sounds fair - now show me which parts of conservative ideology or the Republican party platform that promote the "denial of power to minorities" and "their destruction and death". I'll wait.
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First, I clearly stated that this was HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.... the killers. Particularly the death and destruction carrying out of his agenda. Second, the GOP does indeed have policies which feed right into far right mental illnesses and such a person can find comfort in them and see kindred spirits.

As to your challenge of proof - you will not have to wait long. Here it is.

Voting restrictions for one. In state after state after state there have been GOP led efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and it is generally believed that such efforts are to discourage minorities and help Republicans win elections. We even have one high state official in Pennsyvainia who publicy stated that voting restrictions in his state would deliver the state for the Republican presidential candidate and stop Dem wins there.

here is the evidence

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77811.html

Pennsylvania state House Republican leader Mike Turzai said this weekend that the state’s new voter ID law will “allow” Mitt Romney to win the state in November, according to a report.
“Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” Turzai said at Saturday’s Republican State Committee meeting, according to PoliticsPA.com.

Pennsylvania Democratic Party spokesperson Mark Nicastre told the website that the Republican House Majority Leader’s “admission that Voter ID only serves the partisan interests of his party should be shocking, but unfortunately it isn’t. Democrats are focused on protecting Pennsylvanians’ rights to vote, and we are working hard to ensure that everyone who is eligible to vote can vote this fall.”
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77811.html#ixzz3dWOhK9BV

Trying to rig elections - that certainly translates into a denial of power to minorities who are only guilty of voting for the 'wrong' party.
 
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haymarket said:
First, I clearly stated that this was HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.... the killers. Particularly the death and destruction carrying out of his agenda. Second, the GOP does indeed have policies which feed right into far right mental illnesses and such a person can find comfort in them and see kindred spirits.

As to your challenge of proof - you will not have to wait long. Here it is.

Voting restrictions for one. In state after state after state there have been GOP led efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and it is generally believed that such efforts are to discourage minorities and help Republicans win elections. We even have one high state official in Pennsyvainia who publicy stated that voting restrictions in his state would deliver the state for the Republican presidential candidate and stop Dem wins there.

That certainly translates into a denial of power to minorities.
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So, your bigoted interpretations and slantings are proof of Republican policies. Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
 
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haymarket said:
First, I clearly stated that this was HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.... the killers. Particularly the death and destruction carrying out of his agenda. Second, the GOP does indeed have policies which feed right into far right mental illnesses and such a person can find comfort in them and see kindred spirits.

As to your challenge of proof - you will not have to wait long. Here it is.

Voting restrictions for one. In state after state after state there have been GOP led efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and it is generally believed that such efforts are to discourage minorities and help Republicans win elections. We even have one high state official in Pennsyvainia who publicy stated that voting restrictions in his state would deliver the state for the Republican presidential candidate and stop Dem wins there.

here is the evidence

Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

That certainly translates into a denial of power to minorities.
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If anything, it could be said that the left's mischaracterization of voter I.D. laws are to blame. You are the only ones erroneously claiming they are racially motivated. Leftys lie, people die.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
So, your bigoted interpretations and slantings are proof of Republican policies.
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NO. The quoted words and intentions of Republican and Pennsylvania power broker Mike Turzai are proof of Republican policies

Since the vast majority of poor people in America are white and since the left seems to think this is an attack on poor people, and since the vast majority of poor white people in America appear to vote Republican, wouldn't this be the opposite of what you're suggesting?
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Your claim that "the vast majority of poor white people in America" are Republican voters needs some serious proof before I would even consider giving your question any serious consideration of an answer. Do you have it?

I will even help you get started. Here are the official poverty level figures for the USA

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/15poverty.cfm

Now take those and show me how the "vast majority" of white folks living in poverty are voting Republican. And this time I will be the one waiting for the evidence.
 
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nota bene said:
I'm not sure why you reposted your Onion piece in a reply to me.

And I guess you're unfamiliar with the Dunblane (Scotland) school massacre or the Norwegian killer who shot all those campers a few years ago or the mall shootings in Nairobi, or the even more recent mass murders in Paris.
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I guess I reposted it because you apparently didnt read (or comprehend) it.

You have just picked out a couple incidents over years, out of roughly - what - two dozen countries. Let me pull pieces out of the story again, to emphasize the point, which you missed in a spectacular fashion.

echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years....
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Thats half the mass shootings in the past fifty years. You may not be aware of this but the US has 5% of the worlds population.
 
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nota bene said:
I'm not sure why you reposted your Onion piece in a reply to me.

And I guess you're unfamiliar with the Dunblane (Scotland) school massacre or the Norwegian killer who shot all those campers a few years ago or the mall shootings in Nairobi, or the even more recent mass murders in Paris.
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Or the Polytechnique shootings in Montreal, Quebec Canada, where a lone gunman stared killing women. Canada where people consider murder rude.

But, hey, a president known for fabrication and lying above all else says hate is only available in America, and he should know.

Yep that darn old constitution is causing all this chaos and death that never happens anywhere else. But then he gets his information from television.
 
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countryboy said:
If anything, it could be said that the left's mischaracterization of voter I.D. laws are to blame. You are the only ones erroneously claiming they are racially motivated. Leftys lie, people die.
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Republican State House leader Mike Turzai of Pennsylvania said what he said and nothing you or any other right wing apologist can change that. He clearly said that the change voter laws was going to deliver the state for Romney.
 
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haymarket said:
Republican State House leader Mike Turzai of Pennsylvania said what he said and nothing you or any other right wing apologist can change that. He clearly said that the change voter laws was going to deliver the state for Romney.
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And he is the official spokesperson for every one of these laws in every state where they have been adopted? Ummmm.....no.

Not to mention, Romney lost PA. Isn't that proof that these laws don't suppress voters? :roll:

BTW, we have voter a I.D. law here in Ohio. Guess who won here in 2012?
 
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